MESO-Rx Exclusive Trenbolone facts - series on unique characteristics of different steroids

[xrayphoton13]

Same here. I'm currently running an 8iu bolus of GH before bed, to go along with 600mgs of Tren E, between 850 - 1000mgs of Test E, and I've recently been rotating Superdrol every 2 weeks with Anadrol. I recently added 300mgs of NPP for my joints but the NPP has taken a chunk out of my libido. Deca and NPP usually do crush my libido anyway but I had hoped it would be mitigated due to the Tren and Test being on the higher side. I also add an early morning 4-6iu IM injection of GH a couple days a week for heavy cardio. It's a heavy load of PED's but it's only for a short period of time and my blood work has been decent, although I'm due to get some done soon.

Anyway, despite messing around with PED's for 20yrs I'd never used GH until late last year. I noticed once I started the GH I became super vascular and lean. Once I added Tren to the GH and Test things went to another level. It's been virtually impossible to add fat. Just to experiment I started eating a pint of ice cream after dinner 3 nights a week and still no extra fat to be seen. I just keep getting more shredded, yet strength and muscle remain. I have a naturally lean, athletic looking physique to begin with but I'm also 45 so my metabolism has slowed down a ton. It seems that doesn't matter much on GH & Tren. It's not for everyone and pretty soon I'll be off the Tren until summer (when I'll run Ace for 8 weeks), but it certainly is effective at abolishing fat from your physique.

The GH has made me more shredded and vascular, while the Tren has allowed me to remain aggressive in the gym, as well as retain my LBM in the process. Just a great combo.

Wish I could do this. I'm naturally fat. I can run 1g test e, 400mg tren e, 50mg anavar, 100mg deca, 10mg tirz (or 8mg reta), 80mg clen, 25mg t3, 100mg t4, 8iu gh, and still over eat and gain fat if I don't track and weigh my food. I'm just a hungry boy I guess. Always have been. Now the tirz may make me a gassy miserable mess the next day but it won't stop me from being stupid on occasion if I don't watch myself

 

[Bigmike806]

Very good reading,helps to pass the day at work!!

 

[ve79]

Wish I could do this. I'm naturally fat. I can run 1g test e, 400mg tren e, 50mg anavar, 100mg deca, 10mg tirz (or 8mg reta), 80mg clen, 25mg t3, 100mg t4, 8iu gh, and still over eat and gain fat if I don't track and weigh my food. I'm just a hungry boy I guess. Always have been. Now the tirz may make me a gassy miserable mess the next day but it won't stop me from being stupid on occasion if I don't watch myself

I love trizepatide it works very well for me. Glps are the best for over all health

 

[malfeasance]

Wish I could do this. I'm naturally fat. I can run 1g test e, 400mg tren e, 50mg anavar, 100mg deca, 10mg tirz (or 8mg reta), 80mg clen, 25mg t3, 100mg t4, 8iu gh, and still over eat and gain fat if I don't track and weigh my food. I'm just a hungry boy I guess. Always have been. Now the tirz may make me a gassy miserable mess the next day but it won't stop me from being stupid on occasion if I don't watch myself

That is not "naturally fat." I will let you in on a little secret, everybody could take all of those drugs and still overeat and gain fat. You are not alone.

There is a reason competitive bodybuilders eat a certain way when in prep, and there is a reason it gets more strict as the show approaches.

Are there differences in metabolism? Sure. But they are a lot smaller than most want to believe.

As you discovered, it is smart to track and weigh your food.

Proper nutrition is the main thing holding folks back when taking steroids.

 

[dinfar1337]

That is not "naturally fat." I will let you in on a little secret, everybody could take all of those drugs and still overeat and gain fat. You are not alone.

There is a reason competitive bodybuilders eat a certain way when in prep, and there is a reason it gets more strict as the show approaches.

Are there differences in metabolism? Sure. But they are a lot smaller than most want to believe.

As you discovered, it is smart to track and weigh your food.

Proper nutrition is the main thing holding folks back when taking steroids.

look at pictures coming out of gaza

there aint no naturally fat people there

this naturally fat must be a american only disease?

 

[verylargeshoes]

look at pictures coming out of gaza

there aint no naturally fat people there

this naturally fat must be a american only disease?

I don't think anybody's claiming they can synthesize tissue out of thin air, in starvation conditions. if they could, let's find those people and turn them into food sources. Sorry, folks, your new post-AI-apocalypse job is to provide environmentally friendly peopleburgers.

They're talking about their response to the availability of practically unlimited calories. You can look at families and see that there are some hereditary predispositions. Of course that's not the whole story.

At some point these conversations always devolve into whether fat people are "at fault" for being fat, or whether it's a choice, and that is completely uninteresting because nobody ever defines these terms well enough to say anything meaningful. It's just smug moralizing. Guys, we haven't even established for the purposes of this conversation whether free will exists, or the nature of the soul. How can we assign fault without that?

I find it especially precious when bodybuilders dunk on overweight people for using GLP-1s because those fatties ought to be able to achieve their desired physique without the use of drugs. Bring on the fucking drugs. Drugs for everybody!

 

[dinfar1337]

I find it especially precious when bodybuilders dunk on overweight people for using GLP-1s because those fatties ought to be able to achieve their desired physique without the use of drugs. Bring on the fucking drugs. Drugs for everybody!

theres a reasont this happens.

i dont care what people do to lose weight or how delusional they become, i just find the excuses funny.

anyways i know people aint say tissue can be made out of thin air, but thats literally how delusional you become when you say something like "naturally fat"

 

[xrayphoton13]

That is not "naturally fat." I will let you in on a little secret, everybody could take all of those drugs and still overeat and gain fat. You are not alone.

There is a reason competitive bodybuilders eat a certain way when in prep, and there is a reason it gets more strict as the show approaches.

Are there differences in metabolism? Sure. But they are a lot smaller than most want to believe.

As you discovered, it is smart to track and weigh your food.

Proper nutrition is the main thing holding folks back when taking steroids.

Sorry naturally fat was the wrong way to say that. Should have said Ive been fat my whole life. Why? Learned horrible eating habits. Always had plenty of bad food around growing up. Ate all I wanted. Preferred to stay inside and play games and watch TV and play guitar than go outside and play. Even when I learned proper nutrition as an adult I still overeat and struggle to control cravings especially at night

I finally successfully lost the weight with caffeine and ephedrine and reading Lyle McDonald's rapid fatloss handbook in 2010. Gained it back and then some after I got married. Started drinking more and eating more. Lost my son and decided to turn my life around again a couple years ago. This time I did RFL again but added mounjaro to help and it made things much easier. Best shape of my life now but I still struggle all the time to stay on track even with glp1 meds

 

[malfeasance]

Sorry naturally fat was the wrong way to say that. Should have said Ive been fat my whole life. Why? Learned horrible eating habits. Always had plenty of bad food around growing up. Ate all I wanted. Preferred to stay inside and play games and watch TV and play guitar than go outside and play. Even when I learned proper nutrition as an adult I still overeat and struggle to control cravings especially at night

I finally successfully lost the weight with caffeine and ephedrine and reading Lyle McDonald's rapid fatloss handbook in 2010. Gained it back and then some after I got married. Started drinking more and eating more. Lost my son and decided to turn my life around again a couple years ago. This time I did RFL again but added mounjaro to help and it made things much easier. Best shape of my life now but I still struggle all the time to stay on track even with glp1 meds

Sorry about the loss of your son

Step 1, though, is you know what the issue is. Step 2, that means you know what to do about it. Step 3 is just doing it.

You'll get plenty of help, encouragement, and advice from folks here if you want it.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Sorry about the loss of your son

Step 1, though, is you know what the issue is. Step 2, that means you know what to do about it. Step 3 is just doing it.

You'll get plenty of help, encouragement, and advice from folks here if you want it.

Thanks. And hell yeah man. Y'all have been awesome. I've learned so much since joining here. I had a coach from here for a while before it became too pricey for me. He got me in the best shape I've ever been in but it's beena struggle since. I think I really thrive on having that accountability. Just have to find a way to replicate that on my own

 

[ChemBB]

Wish I could do this. I'm naturally fat. I can run 1g test e, 400mg tren e, 50mg anavar, 100mg deca, 10mg tirz (or 8mg reta), 80mg clen, 25mg t3, 100mg t4, 8iu gh, and still over eat and gain fat if I don't track and weigh my food. I'm just a hungry boy I guess. Always have been. Now the tirz may make me a gassy miserable mess the next day but it won't stop me from being stupid on occasion if I don't watch myself

You take GLP-1's on a bulk?

 

[dinfar1337]

You take GLP-1's on a bulk?

yes just lower the dose but stay insulin sensitive with it man

 

[29trt]

yes just lower the dose but stay insulin sensitive with it man

Have you actually checked your Homa-ir or any other test to see if your insulin sensitivity is better on a bulk with GLPs?
Everyone keeps saying it but I have seen ZERO evidence that it is true for bodybuilders during bulks....

 

[dinfar1337]

Have you actually checked your Homa-ir or any other test to see if your insulin sensitivity is better on a bulk with GLPs?
Everyone keeps saying it but I have seen ZERO evidence that it is true for bodybuilders during bulks....

Homa-ir? i dont have tests like that here just look at insulin and glucose and everything is good blasting 8iu hgh without anything else but retarutride right now, and was fine on 6iu with tirzepatide aswell.

so i guess its doing its job

 

[29trt]

Homa-ir? i dont have tests like that here just look at insulin and glucose and everything is good blasting 8iu hgh without anything else but retarutride right now, and was fine on 6iu with tirzepatide aswell.

so i guess its doing its job

Look it up , you just need your insulin and bg values to calculate Homa-ir.
And your values might be good but i was curios about a comparison between with and without glp .
Some people get huge insulin resistance from GH and others don't... Irrespective of other variables.

 

[Type-IIx]

Homa-ir? i dont have tests like that here just look at insulin and glucose and everything is good blasting 8iu hgh without anything else but retarutride right now, and was fine on 6iu with tirzepatide aswell.

so i guess its doing its job

That's all HOMA-IR is, looking at insulin and glucose. Lot of evidence, reams and reams of it that GLP-1s lower both even if you did eat like an asshole… it's in the product description for God's sake

 

[dinfar1337]

That's all HOMA-IR is, looking at insulin and glucose. Lot of evidence, reams and reams of it that GLP-1s lower both even if you did eat like an asshole… it's in the product description for God's sake

im not super interested in peptides.

but ik it directly affects insulin secretion which is probably the biggest role.

just some simple stuff we all know like it slows digestion also helps insulin sensitivy.

 

[29trt]

Look it up , you just need your insulin and bg values to calculate Homa-ir.

That's all HOMA-IR is, looking at insulin and glucose. Lot of evidence, reams and reams of it that GLP-1s lower both even if you did eat like an asshole… it's in the product description for God's sake

No shit Sherlock thats all Homa-ir is..... But it gives a number to compare instead of looking at both bg and insulin and trying to figure out if you are better than last time...maybe your bg is up but so is insulin so it isn't obvious if your sensitivity if better or not...
And since when do BBs go by what is in the product description.... Were the studies of glps done on bulking BB with a ton of peds insulin and GH ?.... DIDN'T THINK SO...
All I was saying was that it would be interesting to see the effects on actual BBs

 

[ChemBB]

So I could theoretically run something like 0.25mg Sema/2.5mg Tirz on my current bulk but is the consensus that it makes a profound difference?

 

[xrayphoton13]

So I could theoretically run something like 0.25mg Sema/2.5mg Tirz on my current bulk but is the consensus that it makes a profound difference?

You have to try it and see. Dosing is so individual based on previous use of glp meds. I wouldn't feel a thing at that dose and I'm not sure if it would actually do anything beneficial either. Someone else wouldn't be able to eat at that dose