Few year old home brew

[Ghoul]

And this is something every bodybuilder is doing as there is no pharma tren and also safe to assume most are using UG, particularly, probably over a 10ml of UG oil per week, more if they use a lot of primo or short esters.

What I don't understand is a lot on this board were originally calling you crazy and slinging crap at you for advocating filtering, is that correct?

Go back far enough in the Meso archives, and you see that same thing every time progress was made in harm reduction. There's always resistance.

No filtration was the norm at one time, because everyone knew boiling sterilized gear effectively. This was supported by "I've been boiling my gear for years and it's fine, filtering is overkill."

Then when filtering with .45um filters became the norm, .22um was called unnecessary and arguments broke out.

Now .22um is the standard but for most guys home brewing, that's always been the norm and uncontroversial. .

Even in legit medicine, as more is learned about potential risks, standards changing to reduce that harm often only follow many years after there was enough evidence to warrant changing things.

The two most frequent arguments are that there's no immediately noticeable problem.

The other is an unreasonable demand for certainty. As in, demanding to see proof that if you inject someone with lots of contaminated shit, it leads to negative health consequences. There's plenty of known risks in medical science, often with a big helping of uncertainty regarding the details,

A better approach is to ask, where do these contaminants go once injected? We know they're there. We haven't evolved to purge rubber or glass that's been injected deep into tissue.

Finally, what makes us different from other more closely studied groups is the VOLUME of what we inject.

A single shot a year containing inorganic particulates isn't going to be very consequential,

But injecting the equivalent liquid of 10% of your total blood volume, every year, for decades, is a much bigger risk when every injection contributes to the cumulative total of contaminants. I'm not sure anyone, including IV drug addicts or diabetics inject as much as we do, and of those who come close, like patients in intensive care on IV's for a few weeks, they DO find loads of particulates causing micro embolism's in organs during autopsies, In the case of infants, it's killed them. So IV drips are almost all .22um filtered now.

IV drug users have much higher rates of arthritis later in life, and it's not unreasonable to make the connection to crap in injections. In fact, for joint injections, like corticosteroids, doctors now ALWAYS use a filter, because they know stopper particles can induce arthritis.

 

[explodingHeart]

Go back far enough in the Meso archives, and you see that same thing every time progress was made in harm reduction. There's always resistance.

No filtration was the norm at one time, because everyone knew boiling sterilized gear effectively. This was supported by "I've been boiling my gear for years and it's fine, filtering is overkill."

Then when filtering with .45um filters became the norm, .22um was called unnecessary and arguments broke out.

Now .22um is the standard but for most guys home brewing, that's always been the norm and uncontroversial. .

Even in legit medicine, as more is learned about potential risks, standards changing to reduce that harm often only follow many years after there was enough evidence to warrant changing things.

The two most frequent arguments are that there's no immediately noticeable problem.

The other is an unreasonable demand for certainty. As in, demanding to see proof that if you inject someone with lots of contaminated shit, it leads to negative health consequences. There's plenty of known risks in medical science, often with a big helping of uncertainty regarding the details,

A better approach is to ask, where do these contaminants go once injected? We know they're there. We haven't evolved to purge rubber or glass that's been injected deep into tissue.

Finally, what makes us different from other more closely studied groups is the VOLUME of what we inject.

A single shot a year containing inorganic particulates isn't going to be very consequential,

But injecting the equivalent liquid of 10% of your total blood volume, every year, for decades, is a much bigger risk when every injection contributes to the cumulative total of contaminants. I'm not sure anyone, including IV drug addicts or diabetics inject as much as we do, and of those who come close, like patients in intensive care on IV's for a few weeks, they DO find loads of particulates causing micro embolism's in organs during autopsies, In the case of infants, it's killed them. So IV drips are almost all .22um filtered now.

IV drug users have much higher rates of arthritis later in life, and it's not unreasonable to make the connection to crap in injections. In fact, for joint injections, like corticosteroids, doctors now ALWAYS use a filter, because they know stopper particles can induce arthritis.

I feel like a total idiot for injecting so much chinese garbage over the years without filtering.

Thanks for your posts. You've certainly educated me.

I can find MDs, real licensed doctors on youtube who are bodybuilders who advocate injecting unfiltered peps and who openly talk about injecting a lot of UG oils.

That is just wild.

 

[DECLAN]

What's the most sterility someone home brewing could achieve?

Start with lab grade USP carrier oil, solvent, heat up, then filter?

First off make your work area as clean as possible, sterile your equipments, lots of guide at homebrew section. Using USP materials and ensure you have quality filters that are suitable for your brew.

Remember, having control of the production of your gear means you don’t skip on the vital and basic requirements of making a sterile product. This way you don’t expose yourself to other people’s mistakes, complacency and sheer disregard for your wellbeing.

No matter what these vendors say their process is and pictures of their factories/lab, I still don’t trust any of them at all.

 

[TheScholarOfBrew]

Go back far enough in the Meso archives, and you see that same thing every time progress was made in harm reduction. There's always resistance.

No filtration was the norm at one time, because everyone knew boiling sterilized gear effectively. This was supported by "I've been boiling my gear for years and it's fine, filtering is overkill."

Then when filtering with .45um filters became the norm, .22um was called unnecessary and arguments broke out.

Now .22um is the standard but for most guys home brewing, that's always been the norm and uncontroversial. .

Even in legit medicine, as more is learned about potential risks, standards changing to reduce that harm often only follow many years after there was enough evidence to warrant changing things.

The two most frequent arguments are that there's no immediately noticeable problem.

The other is an unreasonable demand for certainty. As in, demanding to see proof that if you inject someone with lots of contaminated shit, it leads to negative health consequences. There's plenty of known risks in medical science, often with a big helping of uncertainty regarding the details,

A better approach is to ask, where do these contaminants go once injected? We know they're there. We haven't evolved to purge rubber or glass that's been injected deep into tissue.

Finally, what makes us different from other more closely studied groups is the VOLUME of what we inject.

A single shot a year containing inorganic particulates isn't going to be very consequential,

But injecting the equivalent liquid of 10% of your total blood volume, every year, for decades, is a much bigger risk when every injection contributes to the cumulative total of contaminants. I'm not sure anyone, including IV drug addicts or diabetics inject as much as we do, and of those who come close, like patients in intensive care on IV's for a few weeks, they DO find loads of particulates causing micro embolism's in organs during autopsies, In the case of infants, it's killed them. So IV drips are almost all .22um filtered now.

IV drug users have much higher rates of arthritis later in life, and it's not unreasonable to make the connection to crap in injections. In fact, for joint injections, like corticosteroids, doctors now ALWAYS use a filter, because they know stopper particles can induce arthritis.

Now purifying our raws will be the next step up. Just watch. I brought it up. It will happen and it will improve everyone's experience in ugl gear

Thread 'Save your unusable raws Guaranteed.'

Apr 17, 2025

Raising the Standard​

The purpose of this thread is to present a comprehensive, reproducible, lab-grade method for purifying steroid raws prior to conversion. This is not a replacement for quality manufacturing..
this is a corrective technique to deal with substandard materials when no other option is available.


We must be clear: this is not an excuse for manufacturers to cut corners. This is a stopgap solution that allows individual compounders and responsible middlemen to clean up contaminated or adulterated product until true GMP-level practices are...

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[Gatman]

In my 25 years of home brewing i have never had any stopper issues other then in my early days drawing repeatedly to many times using an 18 gauge needle. Which beat the stopper up. Switched to smaller gauge for drawing and have not had any issues since. I have never gone with the cheapest supplies i could get. Some things are worth the extra price for the quality you get.

i have always used an 18 gauge with no issues until i noticed a floater piece in my test today…ordered from several sources and it seems they all use different stoppers…some seem to hold up better

what size do you recommend ? thanks in advance

 

[Ateam2023]

i have always used an 18 gauge with no issues until i noticed a floater piece in my test today…ordered from several sources and it seems they all use different stoppers…some seem to hold up better

what size do you recommend ? thanks in advance

i used to use a 22 g to draw with , until i got smart and just use vial adapters now, no longer worrying "if" im coring the vial stoppers,,

 

[Gatman]

i used to use a 22 g to draw with , until i got smart and just use vial adapters now, no longer worrying "if" im coring the vial stoppers,,

ok …i just checked out vial adapters…didn’t realize they existed lol ty

 

[Ateam2023]

ok …i just checked out vial adapters…didn’t realize they existed lol ty

medlab supply has them for $5 or something like that,,

 

[buck]

i have always used an 18 gauge with no issues until i noticed a floater piece in my test today…ordered from several sources and it seems they all use different stoppers…some seem to hold up better

what size do you recommend ? thanks in advance

I use a 22 gauge to draw. My 50 ml vials receive a lot of punctures and never an issue in my decades of doing it that way.