Personality Changes from Long-term Androgen Use

[BamaCrazy]

There are studies that indicate that while the changes are subtle and slow, “people become more extraverted, emotionally stable, agreeable and conscientious as they grow older. Over the long haul, these changes are often pronounced.”

I do find this to be true in my life except being more agreeable. More extroverted because I’ve become more comfortable in my own skin and don’t care what others think of me. More emotionally stable because I’ve learned to be more emotionally intelligent and understand myself better. More conscientious because things like paying bills late, missing deadlines, not preparing for emergencies, getting to work late, and not presenting a professional appearance does not lead to success in life and are behaviors of immaturity.

But I’m not more agreeable. In fact I find I’ve become less agreeable and I love that about myself. I appreciate and encourage speaking out, speaking up, and disagreeing, in business and in life.

If you think AAS has made you a more aggressive asshole, it might just be you and not the roids. Don’t confuse aggressive with assertive. Assertiveness is to be confident but respectful. Aggressiveness is to be domineering, dominating, interrupting and emotionally insecure.

 

[Tbaz192]

If you think AAS has made you a more aggressive asshole, it might just be you and not the roids. Don’t confuse aggressive with assertive. Assertiveness is to be confident but respectful. Aggressiveness is to be domineering, dominating, interrupting and emotionally insecure.

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Definitely have made me more assertive. But not in an aggressive asshole way. That’s what my reply was missing.

 

[HeatherSwanson]

I’m right there with you. Sleep has never been great for me. I work a labor intensive job. Demo/Junk removal. Some days are easy. Some are hell. Especially outside in 115 degree dry heat moving and wrecking thousands of pounds.
I’m very short and concise. Since getting on gear. I don’t like to pussy foot around or have bullshit happen. Especially with work and gym. If you’re lacking emotional intelligence, I already hate you & can’t stand you. Grow the fuck up (@ most of my co workers/employee).
Everyone now a days are such fucking pussies. Glued to their phone and crying over social media driven things. I was born in the wrong generation.

Currently dealing with tanked ferritin and fuck am I exhausted. But it doesn’t mean I get to bitch and complain or cry about it too much. Still have work to do and shit to fuck up.
I’ll be on FD here next year. Also trying to run a business. So that means even less sleep and more stress. But man I kinda live for that shit. The “pain and suffering” is worth it. Another reason I got into bodybuilding. Ain’t gonna get shit if you don’t work hard.

OP…Has TRT / gear changed my personality/way of thinking? 100%.
I’m 27 and I don’t get along with people my age. I’m an old soul now.
I have a girl now and man is she my world. We got one life. Gotta fucking work hard and for everything you want/have.

This is me too. I have ZERO tolerance for soft cock pussy shit. Some shit needed to be done today for a client and this other company we have to work with from time to time has this guy in his 30's that would rather talk about the work than do it. So at lunch I just went and did the 20 minute task before he got there. He sat in his truck for 10 mins finger blasting his asshole before he came out to discover it was done... "I was sent here to do X but it doesn't need doing?" Yeah Mrs Swanson did it already because the thought of having to do something in your presence was worse than just doing it himself.

I want information given to me in chronological bullet points, short and concise to minimise interactions when working. Its like a have a HUD overlay that comes over the top of my consciousness that wants all tasks streamlined and optimized so the task is more efficient next time.

I'm a recluse now because I just can't stand the drawl of the masses. The slop they consume and the vomit everywhere contaminates my tranquillity.

- Shit recently said to me -
All you ate all day is ground beef, red meat like that is bad for you.
You don't eat anything at all for a day at a time? That's bad for you.
You really shouldn't lift things like that its bad for your back.
Its not healthy to have that much salt.

Mother fucker, I can seated shoulder press 1.2 times my own body weight for reps, have abbs and can't probably kick you in your stupid face where you stand, STFU.

 

[RzSco]

There are studies that indicate that while the changes are subtle and slow, “people become more extraverted, emotionally stable, agreeable and conscientious as they grow older. Over the long haul, these changes are often pronounced.”

Again it’s because society treats you better due to you looking better. It’s not the drugs themselves but their effects on your appearance.

I had such a massive glow up between 2018 and 2020 by using steroids I was finally able to achieve a decent physique by the standards of the time (important), lose my virginity, get a girlfriend and actually have people respect me.

Then post-pandemic, everyone is looksmaxxing, everyone is going to gym, a massive proportion of guys are using steroids secretly and you have to look like Zyzz or David Laid to even be considered to have a decent physique. So my advantage is gone, I’m treated like shit again, I’m incel again, and my mental health and self esteem are in the toilet.

 

[BigDadd7]

Again it’s because society treats you better due to you looking better. It’s not the drugs themselves but their effects on your appearance.

I had such a massive glow up between 2018 and 2020 by using steroids I was finally able to achieve a decent physique by the standards of the time (important), lose my virginity, get a girlfriend and actually have people respect me.

Then post-pandemic, everyone is looksmaxxing, everyone is going to gym, a massive proportion of guys are using steroids secretly and you have to look like Zyzz or David Laid to even be considered to have a decent physique. So my advantage is gone, I’m treated like shit again, I’m incel again, and my mental health and self esteem are in the toilet.

Do you really believe that? You should be getting laid off of your personality. Read some books on philosophy. Volunteer or do some philanthropic work. Become more interesting and less self absorbed. Chicks will flock to you. Fat guys who are funny get laid all the time.

 

[Tbaz192]

Do you really believe that? You should be getting laid off of your personality. Read some books on philosophy. Volunteer or do some philanthropic work. Become more interesting and less self absorbed. Chicks will flock to you. Fat guys who are funny get laid all the time.

Literally. Out of shape chubby “normal” dudes get laid more than fit in shape guys. IMO.

Built guys are more intimidating and women rarely like to be seen as the less hot/attractive person in the relationship.
Sure there is women who don’t care about that, but I feel most women are insecure.

I’ve had countless girls admit to that. And no I’m not tooting my own horn over here.

I’ve had countless girls say they were intimidated by me and my looks. They didn’t want seem like the ugly one or not fit/in shape one in the situation.

PERSONALITY IS WHAT GETS YOU LAID
Goes both ways. I can’t stand “hot” women who are dumber than a bucket of rocks or act like bimbo air heads. Guess that’s why I’ve always loved curvy thick women. Like wellness girls. They’re amazing both ways haha

 

[RzSco]

Do you really believe that? You should be getting laid off of your personality. Read some books on philosophy. Volunteer or do some philanthropic work. Become more interesting and less self absorbed. Chicks will flock to you. Fat guys who are funny get laid all the time.

Literally. Out of shape chubby “normal” dudes get laid more than fit in shape guys. IMO.

Built guys are more intimidating and women rarely like to be seen as the less hot/attractive person in the relationship.

I’ve had countless girls admit to that. And no I’m not tooting my own horn over here.

I’ve had countless girls say they were intimidated by me and my looks. They didn’t want seem like the ugly one or not fit/in shape one in the situation.

PERSONALITY IS WHAT GETS YOU LAID
Goes both ways. I can’t stand “hot” women who are dumber than a bucket of rocks or act like bimbo air heads. Guess that’s why I’ve always loved curvy thick women, they’re amazing both ways haha

It’s just contrary to my personal life experience, I was completely virgin incel before I started taking steroids, which to me suggests that having a ripped body and low body fat percentage was the most important thing. Personality never seemed to matter, my personality and hobbies did not change except for sticking needles in my butt secretly.

I’m now rather sad because I lost that advantage, steroids used to be secret sauce now they are as ubiquitous as ketchup. And I wouldn’t say it was even an advantage really, it was just a crutch to overcome my bad genetics.

And there’s big spectrum between intimidating build guys and out of shape chubby dudes. What am I at 90kg 17% BF? Probably closer to the latter by today’s standards.

 

[benfrankparkway]

I did one and only 500mg test c 16 week cycle 2 years ago at age 41, pct and go off and never went back on. Have been with my wife 10 years, she say those 4 months was the nicest and most fun she has ever experienced with me.

 

[BigDadd7]

I'll bet that as you got in shape, you gained confidence and became more assertive.

It’s just contrary to my personal life experience, I was completely virgin incel before I started taking steroids, which to me suggests that having a ripped body and low body fat percentage was the most important thing. Personality never seemed to matter, my personality and hobbies did not change except for sticking needles in my butt secretly.

I’m now rather sad because I lost that advantage, steroids used to be secret sauce now they are as ubiquitous as ketchup. And I wouldn’t say it was even an advantage really, it was just a crutch to overcome my bad genetics.

And there’s big spectrum between intimidating build guys and out of shape chubby dudes. What am I at 90kg 17% BF? Probably closer to the latter by today’s standards.

 

[BigDadd7]

I did one and only 500mg test c 16 week cycle 2 years ago at age 41, pct and go off and never went back on. Have been with my wife 10 years, she say those 4 months was the nicest and most fun she has ever experienced with me.

Sounds like you should go back on

 

[HeatherSwanson]

Literally. Out of shape chubby “normal” dudes get laid more than fit in shape guys. IMO.

Built guys are more intimidating and women rarely like to be seen as the less hot/attractive person in the relationship.
Sure there is women who don’t care about that, but I feel most women are insecure.

I’ve had countless girls admit to that. And no I’m not tooting my own horn over here.

I’ve had countless girls say they were intimidated by me and my looks. They didn’t want seem like the ugly one or not fit/in shape one in the situation.

PERSONALITY IS WHAT GETS YOU LAID
Goes both ways. I can’t stand “hot” women who are dumber than a bucket of rocks or act like bimbo air heads. Guess that’s why I’ve always loved curvy thick women. Like wellness girls. They’re amazing both ways haha

Its more of a
(Guys perceived looks, social status, wealth, charisma) / (girls self perceived looks social status, wealth, charisma) × (girls sexual action threshold) = guys chance of getting laid

Eg 1
Guy is an 8, he's lean, mean, wealthy and funny
Girls a 9, has more money, less social status
Afternoon alcohol free social event
- guys not getting laid right then and there

Eg 2
Same guy is at club and the centre of attention of two tables worth of people including girls
Same girl has had a few drinks and perceives him to be more sexy because of social clout
Shes been drinking so sexual action threshold now lower - guys getting laid

Resources if you'd like to learn how this is backed up by the evolutionary psychology
Why women have sex - Cindy meston and David buss
Brain on fire - Susannah cahalan
The consuming instinct - gab saad and David buss
The tactical guide to women - Shawn smith
The evolution of desire - David buss

 

[RzSco]

I'll bet that as you got in shape, you gained confidence and became more assertive.

That’s a very temporary effect. If confidence was everything it would snowball, you’d get more girls and get even more confident and so on. Maybe that’s even possible for some guys who are exceptionally attractive.

What happened for me is that I was good enough for a couple of years which did increase my confidence but then got swamped by the increased competition which in turn led to less matches, bitchier conversations, nastier treatment from females in real life, and so on, which has now destroyed my confidence even below what I had when I was natty.

Fake it until you make it only works if you had “it” all along IMO.

 

[BigDadd7]

Reread the the post above

 

[Tbaz192]

Its more of a
(Guys perceived looks, social status, wealth, charisma) / (girls self perceived looks social status, wealth, charisma) × (girls sexual action threshold) = guys chance of getting laid

Eg 1
Guy is an 8, he's lean, mean, wealthy and funny
Girls a 9, has more money, less social status
Afternoon alcohol free social event
- guys not getting laid right then and there

Eg 2
Same guy is at club and the centre of attention of two tables worth of people including girls
Same girl has had a few drinks and perceives him to be more sexy because of social clout
Shes been drinking so sexual action threshold now lower - guys getting laid

Resources if you'd like to learn how this is backed up by the evolutionary psychology
Why women have sex - Cindy meston and David buss
Brain on fire - Susannah cahalan
The consuming instinct - gab saad and David buss
The tactical guide to women - Shawn smith
The evolution of desire - David buss

Wish I had the willpower or need to read that stuff. But my adhd keeps me from reading or retaining any info from book.
And I’m off the market for good. Thankfully.

But that’s definitely right. Definitely a lot of variables.

 

[Tbaz192]

That’s a very temporary effect. If confidence was everything it would snowball, you’d get more girls and get even more confident and so on. Maybe that’s even possible for some guys who are exceptionally attractive.

What happened for me is that I was good enough for a couple of years which did increase my confidence but then got swamped by the increased competition which in turn led to less matches, bitchier conversations, nastier treatment from females in real life, and so on, which has now destroyed my confidence even below what I had when I was natty.

Fake it until you make it only works if you had “it” all along IMO.

Yeah man you sound like a real simp that lacks confidence.
Gotta fix that haha
Take some Tren / test just kidding,

Food for thought, Life isn’t as serious as you make may make it seem. Taking a carefree less anxious or stressful approach will open your eyes. And you’ll realize not taking things so hard or serious is a great way to live.

Changed my life.

 

[RzSco]

Yeah man you sound like a real simp that lacks confidence.
Gotta fix that haha
Take some Tren / test just kidding,

Food for thought, Life isn’t as serious as you make may make it seem. Taking a carefree less anxious or stressful approach will open your eyes. And you’ll realize not taking things so hard or serious is a great way to live.

Changed my life.

Our life situations are probably very different though. I agree it’s better to not be stressed and anxious but it’s still a fact that I need to grind like a madman in every aspect of my life to have a hope of catching up.

 

[Tbaz192]

Our life situations are probably very different though. I agree it’s better to not be stressed and anxious but it’s still a fact that I need to grind like a madman in every aspect of my life to have a hope of catching up.

Life situations sure.
But we all have problems. Just means more work to do.

 

[BigDadd7]

Our life situations are probably very different though. I agree it’s better to not be stressed and anxious but it’s still a fact that I need to grind like a madman in every aspect of my life to have a hope of catching up.

Everybody is struggling in some way. Don't let that be an excuse. As far as chicks and getting laid- I wish I didn't waste the first five years of my twenties on that. Focus on your career and growing as an individual. If you do that, the chicks will fall into your lap. I promise you.

 

[Tbaz192]

Everybody is struggling in some way. Don't let that be an excuse. As far as chicks and getting laid- I wish I didn't waste the first five years of my twenties on that. Focus on your career and growing as an individual. If you do that, the chicks will fall into your lap. I promise you.

This right here is FACTS.
@RzSco

I Went hard on girls in my early teens/twenties.

28 now and I have almost everything I could ever want & need. But there’s still plenty I can achieve.

Like I said before live a little carefree & do what you love. Women are always around lol
And if you can’t go without getting laid. Lower the standards and vibe with someone who has a funny awesome personality. Makes the sex better too lol. Some of my more mind blowing encounters were with girls I never really went for.

Might be worth listening to the random strangers on Meso

Have a good one big dawg. You got this
I’ll stop getting off the OP TOPIC

 

[RzSco]

This right here is FACTS.
@RzSco

I Went hard on girls in my early teens/twenties.

28 now and I have almost everything I could ever want & need. But there’s still plenty I can achieve.

Like I said before live a little carefree & do what you love. Women are always around lol
And if you can’t go without getting laid. Lower the standards and vibe with someone who has a funny awesome personality. Makes the sex better too lol. Some of my more mind blowing encounters were with girls I never really went for.

Might be worth listening to the random strangers on Meso

Have a good one big dawg. You got this
I’ll stop getting off the OP TOPIC

So you’re four years younger than me and a decade ahead of me in life experience and no doubt money and you’re telling me to live carefree?

It’s not like I even did anything wrong, I went university and I got a masters degree in engineering, it just turns out engineering pays less than most jobs now so I’m in my 30s in a dead end career, with no money, beginning to show heavy signs of aging. I’ve been lifting for 10+ years and I still look DYEL because of my horrible genetics.

I don’t even have standards so that part doesn’t apply. Literal trannies on Grindr reject me. The fattest ugliest bitches on tinder swipe left.

This is on topic because my point is that taking testosterone won’t make you confident and assertive if your underlying life is shit, I wasn’t really intending to make a whining tangent.