Cloudy/Lumpy HGH

[Benf15harp]

UGL! UGL! UGL!

 

[Kaching]

In the end we so or so have no idea, cause we don't know the exact ingredients of the vendors.

The product is on the way more then 20 days, shaked, heated, throwed, and who knows what else.
AND we dont know the way before the shipping to us.

The only thing we can do is filter it to get a cleaner product.
All else on the molecule level we cannot change.

 

[StoopidGoat]

In the end we so or so have no idea, cause we don't know the exact ingredients of the vendors.

The product is on the way more then 20 days, shaked, heated, throwed, and who knows what else.
AND we dont know the way before the shipping to us.

The only thing we can do is filter it to get a cleaner product.
All else on the molecule level we cannot change.

Correct answer. By filtering, you are at least receiving what is present in available manufacturer and customer testing results.

In relation to the comment about filtering not fully removing < 200 um impurities, this is also somewhat true, but if they were as persistent as being claimed, they would be apparent on several of the jano tests due to actually being retained.

I dislike SSA for their gaslighting about this issue, but several members both here and elsewhere have sent their own for testing with results basically identical to the results presented by SSA. The amount of aggregates present post-filtration are absolutely acceptable and fall in line with values for pharma HGH.

Filter it and be safe.

 

[AlexDavis43]

So lets say shortly...

The HGH should be clear!
BUT even if it is clear we still should filter it. ( cause why not)

I am 100% more OK with THIS than cherry picking & making up fear mongering reasons to filter it. Just say you're a bubble boy and move on. It's fine. Really.

 

[TheScholarOfBrew]

I am 100% more OK with THIS than cherry picking & making up fear mongering reasons to filter it. Just say you're a bubble boy and move on. It's fine. Really.

I never said I'm going to use pharmaceutical-grade HGH. I was simply trying to figure out why this stuff is cloudy, so I researched until I reached a reasonable conclusion. I'm not a bubble boy.... I will personally filter my HGH and use it. You asked for citations to support my claims, so I provided them. Thanks.

 

[TheScholarOfBrew]

Correct answer. By filtering, you are at least receiving what is present in available manufacturer and customer testing results.

In relation to the comment about filtering not fully removing < 200 um impurities, this is also somewhat true, but if they were as persistent as being claimed, they would be apparent on several of the jano tests due to actually being retained.

I dislike SSA for their gaslighting about this issue, but several members both here and elsewhere have sent their own for testing with results basically identical to the results presented by SSA. The amount of aggregates present post-filtration are absolutely acceptable and fall in line with values for pharma HGH.

Filter it and be safe.

You think I'm not a victim of SSA? I'm completely new to HGH. I never claimed to be an expert. Even in this very thread, I admitted it's not my area of expertise. But what I do have is extensive experience researching and quickly gaining a solid understanding of new topics.

On a technical level, cloudy HGH is unsafe to use. Filtering it makes it technically safer to use, but it still doesn't make it right that SSA is selling absolute garbage to people.

@SigmaAudley China Peptide

Address this issue clearly for the community. Don't you dare claim it's because we didn't use your special "sterilized water." Just fix it. I have seen your arguments as to why your vials do what they do. It might fool most of the community but it wont fool a common user of meso-rx.


@janoshik can you confirm or clairfy that these Cloudy vials of HGH are the result of denatured proteins? I believe your professional opinion could clear the air.

 

[paulbras]

All the HGH I've ever gotten from SSA has been crystal clear and I just bought a kit from them recently. 36iu

 

[TheScholarOfBrew]

All the HGH I've ever gotten from SSA has been crystal clear and I just bought a kit from them recently. 36iu

This is great. Good for you. I hope this is the case for everyone else including me.

 

[BamaCrazy]

All the HGH I've ever gotten from SSA has been crystal clear and I just bought a kit from them recently. 36iu

Same. But then again, I’ve purchased GH from 4-5 sources and never had a cloudy vial.

 

[AlexDavis43]

So far, cloudiness in vials of reconstituted peptides is a very rare occurrence with no clear cause and is not restricted to GH

And we don't know if it's bad because it hasn't been tested (cloudy vs non-cloudy vial from the same batch) but everyone assumes so bc pharma powerpoint CYA pdf with warnings in all caps

got it

 

[TheScholarOfBrew]

I hope everyone here gets clear safe to use vials and insane gains. Truly.

So far, cloudiness in vials of reconstituted peptides is a very rare occurrence with no clear cause and is not restricted to GH

And we don't know if it's bad because it hasn't been tested (cloudy vs non-cloudy vial from the same batch) but everyone assumes so bc pharma powerpoint CYA pdf with warnings in all caps

got it

Can jano test a uncloudy vial and not filter it before testing or does it have to be filtered? I will take one for the team. Fork the cost and test a vial if it can be tested in this way. You can quote me on this too. @janoshik sorry for the double tag just want to know if its possible

 

[BamaCrazy]

So far, cloudiness in vials of reconstituted peptides is a very rare occurrence with no clear cause and is not restricted to GH

And we don't know if it's bad because it hasn't been tested (cloudy vs non-cloudy vial from the same batch) but everyone assumes so bc pharma powerpoint CYA pdf with warnings in all caps

got it

It must be very very rare. I mean, think about the number of vials of GH, Tesa, BP157, TB4, NAD, etc that everyone goes through in a week. A lot of us are members of 3+ steroid/bodybuilding forums, TG groups, Discord groups and peptide forums. Cloudy vials are rarely ever reported. And when they are it’s usually an error on the part of the person or the cheap UG BAC they were using.

 

[TheScholarOfBrew]

It must be very very rare. I mean, think about the number of vials of GH, Tesa, BP157, TB4, NAD, etc that everyone goes through in a week. A lot of us are members of 3+ steroid/bodybuilding forums, TG groups, Discord groups and peptide forums. Cloudy vials are rarely ever reported. And when they are it’s usually an error on the part of the person or the cheap UG BAC they were using.

And assuming you use hospira BAC. Recon correctly and its still cloudy whos fault is it?

 

[canes]

It must be very very rare. I mean, think about the number of vials of GH, Tesa, BP157, TB4, NAD, etc that everyone goes through in a week. A lot of us are members of 3+ steroid/bodybuilding forums, TG groups, Discord groups and peptide forums. Cloudy vials are rarely ever reported. And when they are it’s usually an error on the part of the person or the cheap UG BAC they were using.

The only thing I've ever had get cloudy and stay that way is HGH, tesa and AOD. Ive had others that may get a bit cloudy at first and clear up.

See it more in the peptide only communities (e.g. STG that has 20k members, SRY discord, etc)

Ive probably tried 20 peps at this point over 5 years. I have only had issues with the 3 above.

My assumption has always been fillers used in the lypholization process with HGH and secretagogues. No science to prove it...but I just assume the CN bathtub peps vendors get a bit creative

 

[BamaCrazy]

The only thing I've ever had get cloudy and stay that way is HGH, tesa and AOD. Ive had others that may get a bit cloudy at first and clear up.

See it more in the peptide only communities (e.g. STG that has 20k members, SRY discord, etc)

Ive probably tried 20 peps at this point over 5 years. I have only had issues with the 3 above.

Never tried AOD. I’ve only gotten Tesa from Nexaph and SRY. GH from SRY, SSA, JY and QSC. I’ve been pretty lucky I guess. No cloudiness and no floaters in anything I’ve ever purchased.

 

[paulbras]

Same. But then again, I’ve purchased GH from 4-5 sources and never had a cloudy vial.

I've only had cloudy vials the very first time I ordered HGH in my life and it was from SRY and I learned that it was my fault for just shooting the BAC water straight down into the vial and then shaking it to mix it up. LOL. After learning that you need to be gentle with these guys never had a cloudy vial again, including from that same kit from SRY.

 

[BamaCrazy]

And assuming you use hospira BAC. Recon correctly and it’s still cloudy whos fault is it?

In that case it could be the sources issue to resolve. But how often has that happened to you?

 

[canes]

Never tried AOD. I’ve only gotten Tesa from Nexaph and SRY. GH from SRY, SSA, JY and QSC. I’ve been pretty lucky I guess. No cloudiness and no floaters in anything I’ve ever purchased.

Ive ordered peptides from 15-20 CN vendors at this point. I had a weird obsession with trying vendors when i started. But only hgh from sry, ssa, and qsc. My cloudy hgh was sry. Cloudy and gelling AOD from several vendors. Switched to Uther at the time to get some that didn't gel. Can't remember where the tesa came from, but ended up using ZZB in a group buy after that.

I now only use 2-3 vendors. It was one before Tracy went on vacation in the Bahamas.

A gold top opti I mixed the other day was slightly cloudy (not as bad as some of these pics). Filtering cleared it up. I also had to leave it sitting for 5-10 mins just for the filler to fully dissolve.

 

[AlexDavis43]

It must be very very rare. I mean, think about the number of vials of GH, Tesa, BP157, TB4, NAD, etc that everyone goes through in a week. A lot of us are members of 3+ steroid/bodybuilding forums, TG groups, Discord groups and peptide forums. Cloudy vials are rarely ever reported. And when they are it’s usually an error on the part of the person or the cheap UG BAC they were using.

Yes, I think that exactly about sterility too.

Last time the "5 in 20 peptide vials fail sterility tests" was cited I tried to calculate how many vials I use and how many infections I haven't gotten.

GH alone accounts for 1 per day, so maybe 10 per week?

Over 500 vials should've given me 25 infections in one year. I think I might've noticed at least one of them.

Multiply that by all peptide-using Meso members and we're talking tens of thousands of infections that haven't happened.

Using the Jano statistic on peptide sterility to support filtering is the definition of fear mongering.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Ive ordered peptides from 15-20 CN vendors at this point. I had a weird obsession with trying vendors when i started. But only hgh from sry, ssa, and qsc. My cloudy hgh was sry. Cloudy and gelling AOD from several vendors. Switched to Uther at the time to get some that didn't gel. Can't remember where the tesa came from, but ended up using ZZB in a group buy after that.

A gold top opti I mixed the other day was slightly cloudy (not as bad as some of these pics). Filtering cleared it up. I also had to leave it sitting for 5-10 mins just for the filler to fully dissolve.

AOD requires a slightly acidic reconstitution buffer or (as I've found) you can max out the BAC water dilution

Never had gelling with 3 mL BAC