Non-aromatising substitute for testosterone

[camy9000]

EQ best AI control ever in my personal experience. PIPless, cheap, highly effective for me

What dose of EQ to test do you use

 

[Sampei]

What dose of EQ to test do you use

Depends... 1:1 crash my E2 so I use HCG to bring it up.

 

[camy9000]

Depends... 1:1 crash my E2 so I use HCG to bring it up.

Is this cycle doses or just trt does

 

[Sampei]

Is this cycle doses or just trt does

Cycle doses, still have to try TRT with EQ

But maybe a 2:1 TRT could work 250/125?
Or just do 250/250 and HCG

HCG is awesome, best thing I discovered after 10+ years

 

[HUGE McBIGLARGE]

Would a mast/primo/test mix be worth considering?

Test for the base, primo for the AI, mast for the androgenicity. I’m thinking something like 100mg test, 100mg primo, 200mg mast. Check my e2, assess my feels, and titrate from there.

I am wondering if the reason why my e2 has such a wide variability is because of a high variability of oral bioavailability of the AIs. Perhaps due to my lifestyle or genetics. I can’t see any other reason for why my e2 fluctuates so much.

 

[BamaCrazy]

Would a mast/primo/test mix be worth considering?

Test for the base, primo for the AI, mast for the androgenicity. I’m thinking something like 100mg test, 100mg primo, 200mg mast. Check my e2, assess my feels, and titrate from there.

I am wondering if the reason why my e2 has such a wide variability is because of a high variability of oral bioavailability of the AIs. Perhaps due to my lifestyle or genetics. I can’t see any other reason for why my e2 fluctuates so much.

Primo is more anabolic and androgenic than Mast. Mast left me feeling flat and dry. But my mood was great. Primo at 400mg made me feel and look fuller. I was able to put on some lean muscle mass with very minimal sides. I didn’t really see those benefits with Primo until I was pinning 400mg a week though. Less than that and I mostly just got ripped and more vascular.

• Masteron: Anabolic/Androgenic: 62/25
• Primobolan: Anabolic/Androgenic: 88/44-57

 

[HUGE McBIGLARGE]

• Masteron: Anabolic/Androgenic: 62/25
• Primobolan: Anabolic/Androgenic: 88/44-57

I’ve always been thrown by the anabolic:androgenic ratio. It does seem that primo should be more androgenic, but based on the anecdotes I’ve read, mast improves hypoandrogenic symptoms more than primo. Maybe people just take more mast than primo.

 

[Pupil B]

Primo is more anabolic and androgenic than Mast. Mast left me feeling flat and dry. But my mood was great. Primo at 400mg made me feel and look fuller. I was able to put on some lean muscle mass with very minimal sides. I didn’t really see those benefits with Primo until I was pinning 400mg a week though. Less than that and I mostly just got ripped and more vascular.

• Masteron: Anabolic/Androgenic: 62/25
• Primobolan: Anabolic/Androgenic: 88/44-57

Ratios source: ratio of the growth of a rats anus muscle to a rats prostate

 

[Sera]

On 45mg TE EoD and 200iu HCG EoD I needed 25mg of exemestane a day to get my e2 just barely in range.

I’ve never seen anyone be as resistant to AIs as me.

I read your thread when you were trying to figure this out.

I wondered if you tried removing the hcg at any point and get a baseline idea of how much you aromatise normally vs on hcg?

 

[BamaCrazy]

Ratios source: ratio of the growth of a rats anus muscle to a rats prostate

Uh. Yea? lol

 

[dinfar1337]

Uh. Yea? lol

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go through the anabolic:androgenic ratios. it cant be right something like anavar is considered as strong as anavar? that list is bullocks

 

[BamaCrazy]

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go through the anabolic:androgenic ratios. it cant be right something like anavar is considered as strong as anavar? that list is bullocks

Did you mean to write Anavar and Anadrol?

That tool is interesting. I wonder if AI was used to calculate those ratios and what sources did it use. It seems everywhere you look on line the ratings are a little different.

 

[dinfar1337]

Did you mean to write Anavar and Anadrol?

That tool is interesting. I wonder if AI was used to calculate those ratios and what sources did it use. It seems everywhere you look on line the ratings are a little different.

yeah. i might be wrong but i think they came from someone writing a book and put them in there. cant remember what its called.

 

[Pupil B]

I don't understand why anyone gives a rats ass (lel) about how much a rats literal ass grows relative to its prostate

 

[HUGE McBIGLARGE]

I wondered if you tried removing the hcg at any point and get a baseline idea of how much you aromatise normally vs on hcg?

I did two blood tests 7 weeks apart. Both were 90mg TE per week and 2.5mg anastrozole per week. One didn’t have 150iu of HCG per day, and one did.

The one that didn’t have 150iu of HCG per day had an e2 40% higher.

So while I’m sure HCG contributes to my e2, it doesn’t do so enough to make a noticeable difference in the presence of such a wide range of e2 variability.

 

[Sera]

I did two blood tests 7 weeks apart. Both were 90mg TE per week and 2.5mg anastrozole per week. One didn’t have 150iu of HCG per day, and one did.

The one that didn’t have 150iu of HCG per day had an e2 40% higher.

So while I’m sure HCG contributes to my e2, it doesn’t do so enough to make a noticeable difference in the presence of such a wide range of e2 variability.

Oh okay thanks, that’s interesting to know. Those results are a real head scratcher!

 

[HUGE McBIGLARGE]

Both were 90mg TE per week

Oops. I meant 90mg TE EoD. So 315mg per week.

 

[cousinmuscles]

I did two blood tests 7 weeks apart. Both were 90mg TE per week and 2.5mg anastrozole per week. One didn’t have 150iu of HCG per day, and one did.

The one that didn’t have 150iu of HCG per day had an e2 40% higher.

So while I’m sure HCG contributes to my e2, it doesn’t do so enough to make a noticeable difference in the presence of such a wide range of e2 variability.

Are you doing the sensitive E2 test? The expensive one, like $150 or so.

 

[HUGE McBIGLARGE]

Are you doing the sensitive E2 test? The expensive one, like $150 or so.

Nah. Does it make any difference? I was under the impression that the sensitive one was merely more accurate to within a smaller margin. Meaning its purpose is primarily for diagnosing low and not high estradiol.

 

[cousinmuscles]

Nah. Does it make any difference? I was under the impression that the sensitive one was merely more accurate to within a smaller margin. Meaning its purpose is primarily for diagnosing low and not high estradiol.

Male range is low to begin with and it is common for the normal test to vary. Honestly I don't know exactly how much it varies but a quick google search gives threads where people say their sensitive test was tens of points lower than their regular test. The regular test also can't differ between some drugs and estradiol too.