China begins chemical seller crackdown

[bigMoJo]

They've barely begun implementing new controls on packs, de minimus reform legislation is still pending, the hundreds of millions allocated to increase customs inspections haven't even begin to flow, but it will.

Just want to comment on these points...

1. Pending de minimus reform legislation:
No, that is not accurate. Any "pending" legislation from a previous congress "dies" with a new congress. The 118th Congress, from 2023-2024 is "dead"... and the "pending" legislation with it, including eliminating de minimis. It would need to be re-introduced during the current 119th Congress. As of March 4, 2025, congress-woman Linda T. Sánchez plans to introduce de minimis legislation. But, that would need to go through sub-committees and the entire process all over again. She's a Democrat... you think Donny T is going to sign her bill... if it ever makes it to him?

2. Although the ACE system—requiring more information from shippers—may be implemented, the "hundreds of millions allocated to increase customs inspections" are not. DOGE has placed everything on the chopping block, including USPS, CBP, Homeland Security, and many more. Additionally, the hundreds of millions are going to be spared for the long-awaited additional tax cuts that billionaires like myself so desperately need. I doubt there will be an additional dime spent on inspections, but we'll likely see more terminations.

Packs that may have currently had difficulty getting through, did not because all agencies have been on "high alert." The Administration has come in and put just about every government employee on "notice." In that type of climate, everyone is going to work harder to keep their jobs. This "climate" can only last so long. And, with all the problems looming over the administration's policies, the fear and "high alert" will fizzle... if it hasn't already.

By the way, tariffs may be within the Executive's purview to implement, but it would take legislation by congress to eliminate de minimus. The only legislation congress is debating today... because of his brilliant economic policies, how to deprive the President of precisely that power.

 

[clearheaded]

It's legal for them to export. The current crackdown started when a salesperson sold raws INSIDE the China Mainland. The factory that supplied nearly 70% of the ugl/homebrewers/illegal market got shutdown disrupting production that could not be picked up adequately from the remaining producers.

Add to that the idiotic/greedy practice of some vendors to sell illicit substances like fent in the darkweb or even clearweb and you have a perfect storm for shortages

so the crackdown is for what? legal things? lol THINK!

yes things you may think are separate are very connected my child. RE political pressure from USA to crack down on illicit drug manufacture (possibly from internal aswell but china loves $$$).

but yes it certainly is a 2 fold thing, border will crack down in very short order.. they will take a minute to staff making sure duties are payed on all packages now and that they aren't lying what's in it... ask Aussies if they get duties an alot of packages from overseas, canada got bad for that too.

anyway, no need to argue just don't be surprised when packages stop making it. one thing for certain its not going to get EASIER when they want to collect TAX on EVERY package to USA. lol esp when all of a sudden its 105% tax, fyi for every cheap kitchen tool or drug or whatever uncle same wants you to pay double so half goes to him.......lol obv struck a nerve as u didn't think about that when u made ur vote but time will tell.. T minus 4 weeks till pain starts being felt for USA erasing 2 years of market gains is JUST the start, they want you to start manual labor for pennies and be happy,(actually what they said, ur kids will put together iPhones and nikes) so will take erasing most of middle class.

 

[narta]

Not the case or not anymore. Look what Tracy said. AAS raws are illegal to make and sell. If a substance is illegal in China is illegal to export as well.
If you have time to read I post some screenshots

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QSC was a reseller. As are all the other vendors in here and other boards. It's illegal for a factory to sell to them since they are in Mainland. A factory, a true API manufacturer can and will export aas to other countries. Were do you think the majority of Pharma sources their raw aas to produce brand name stuff? The black market?

Bayer sourcing Test Undecanoate to make Nebido in the darkweb or off books...

Cmon man... You think Tracy would admit that something is easily aka cheaply obtained and not make it sound risky so he can jack up prices?

 

[pipo]

QSC was a reseller. As are all the other vendors in here and other boards. It's illegal for a factory to sell to them since they are in Mainland. A factory, a true API manufacturer can and will export aas to other countries. Were do you think the majority of Pharma sources their raw aas to produce brand name stuff? The black market?

Bayer sourcing Test Undecanoate to make Nebido in the darkweb or off books...

Cmon man... You think Tracy would admit that something is easily aka cheaply obtained and not make it sound risky so he can jack up prices?

Bayer don't make tren,halo,dbol etc. He said clearly that aas are illegal in China to produce and export. Is illegal to sell in China, is illegal to sell to US,EU and any other continent.
Aas was legal years ago. Now isn't the case anymore.
I think it became illegal when Landmark chem closed(end of 2017)
He posted a list of what is still legal and that list isn't too interesting

Now that the production of aas continued as before when they make it illegal is another story.

 

[narta]

Bayer don't make tren,halo,dbol etc. He said clearly that aas are illegal in China to produce and export. Is illegal to sell in China, is illegal to sell to US,EU and any other continent.
Aas was legal years ago. Now isn't the case anymore.
I think it became illegal when Landmark chem closed(end of 2017)
He posted a list of what is still legal and that list isn't too interesting

Now that the production of aas continued as before when they make it illegal is another story.

Were does Bayer buys their Testosterone Enathate, Testosterone Undecanoate and Primobolan Enanthate from?
Were does Aspen Pharma buys their Test Prop, Test Phenylprop, Test Iso and Test Decanoate from?

What Tracy posted and what is reality are two different things.

 

[pipo]

Were does Bayer buys their Testosterone Enathate, Testosterone Undecanoate and Primobolan Enanthate from?
Were does Aspen Pharma buys their Test Prop, Test Phenylprop, Test Iso and Test Decanoate from?

What Tracy posted and what is reality are two different things.

On the market isn't only products that are used by pharma. On the market is also Trenbolone,Masteron and so on that is illegal to produce.AAS doesn't mean only test and primo.
Raw of tren for example made in China is made illegal, is exported illegal
Like I told you before aas was legal to produce and export in China years ago. Now isn't the case. It's illegal. AAS industry is a black market in China. Before 2018 was everything legal but isn't anymore.
In 2010 what you said was true but now isn't. Law has changed

Also Testosterone isn't a steroid but that is another story

 

[pipo]

Were does Bayer buys their Testosterone Enathate, Testosterone Undecanoate and Primobolan Enanthate from?
Were does Aspen Pharma buys their Test Prop, Test Phenylprop, Test Iso and Test Decanoate from?

What Tracy posted and what is reality are two different things.

Give this topic a read if you have some time. It was 2020 not 2018 when China made illegal aas to produce and export. The law wasn't enforced but was illegal. Now they seem to enforce the law but for how long remain to see.

Thread 'The end of steroids in China? New law in 2020'

Nov 25, 2019

Anyone else researching this? As of Jan 2020, China has added steroids, sarms and hgh on their lists of banned substances, and raws sources are saying companies will no longer willingly ship them to the USA...

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[narta]

Like I told you before aas was legal to produce and export in China years ago. Now isn't the case. It's illegal. AAS industry is a black market in China.

So Test, Deca, Primo are not aas? You said aas are illegal. Yet Test, Deca, Primo are aas. Are they illegal?

Make up your mind.

There are non human aas that are not legal to produce and that is correct. There are aas that are legal to produce and export.

Be specific. Details matter.

Edit: Just for context, I was buying raws when probably a good portion of the members here, were amino acids on some food their father didn't ingest yet, to help with sperm production.

 

[pipo]

So Test, Deca, Primo are not aas? You said aas are illegal. Yet Test, Deca, Primo are aas. Are they illegal?

Make up your mind.

There are non human aas that are not legal to produce and that is correct. There are aas that are legal to produce and export.

Be specific. Details matter.

Edit: Just for context, I was buying raws when probably a good portion of the members here, were amino acids on some food their father didn't ingest yet, to help with sperm production.

To be fair we get caught in details.
Point was that law changed years ago and legality of steroids isn't what it was. The difference is now they seem to care more about the law.
Those aas for pharma become controlled substance since 2020 and a license was needed to buy same as in India.
Production didn't stop for the non pharma aas so those factories was doing something illegal
How is situation in China only those involved in this business know. We as we watching from the sideline we speculate from the info that are available from different persons and who knows how accurate they are.

For the context I knew that you are old once I read that you made tren from pellets. That was almost 25 years ago when that was a thing.

 

[narta]

How is situation in China only those involved in this business know. We as we watching from the sideline we speculate from the info that are available from different persons and who knows how accurate they are.

In simple words:

Factory salesperson got greedy and local law chieftain wanted to make a name for himself, so everybody in the game aka ugl/homebrewers got screwed. Raids are almost a daily occurrence and source board/ugl raw vendors are laying low going to hibernation. Production is still meh and quality took a nosedive.

Source: I know a guy/gal that speaks mandarin

 

[FastBun]

Just want to comment on these points...

1. Pending de minimus reform legislation:
No, that is not accurate. Any "pending" legislation from a previous congress "dies" with a new congress. The 118th Congress, from 2023-2024 is "dead"... and the "pending" legislation with it, including eliminating de minimis. It would need to be re-introduced during the current 119th Congress. As of March 4, 2025, congress-woman Linda T. Sánchez plans to introduce de minimis legislation. But, that would need to go through sub-committees and the entire process all over again. She's a Democrat... you think Donny T is going to sign her bill... if it ever makes it to him?

2. Although the ACE system—requiring more information from shippers—may be implemented, the "hundreds of millions allocated to increase customs inspections" are not. DOGE has placed everything on the chopping block, including USPS, CBP, Homeland Security, and many more. Additionally, the hundreds of millions are going to be spared for the long-awaited additional tax cuts that billionaires like myself so desperately need. I doubt there will be an additional dime spent on inspections, but we'll likely see more terminations.

Packs that may have currently had difficulty getting through, did not because all agencies have been on "high alert." The Administration has come in and put just about every government employee on "notice." In that type of climate, everyone is going to work harder to keep their jobs. This "climate" can only last so long. And, with all the problems looming over the administration's policies, the fear and "high alert" will fizzle... if it hasn't already.

By the way, tariffs may be within the Executive's purview to implement, but it would take legislation by congress to eliminate de minimus. The only legislation congress is debating today... because of his brilliant economic policies, how to deprive the President of precisely that power.

Thank you for posting actual facts… not bs and not creating fud…

 

[FastBun]

Bayer don't make tren,halo,dbol etc. He said clearly that aas are illegal in China to produce and export. Is illegal to sell in China, is illegal to sell to US,EU and any other continent.
Aas was legal years ago. Now isn't the case anymore.
I think it became illegal when Landmark chem closed(end of 2017)
He posted a list of what is still legal and that list isn't too interesting

Now that the production of aas continued as before when they make it illegal is another story.

lol you think China gives a flying fuck about steroids? Lmao blind as a bat… like the Chinese gov isn’t involved in fent… don’t talk about shit you don’t know…

 

[DECLAN]

Bottom line is, people are so spoiled of easy access with these Chinese aas bloom. There are places in earth that sell legit aas for human consumption but you have to the leg work or have proper connections not just chat gpt skills lol.

This is what we had to deal with decades ago, it’s expensive and takes forever to get your stuff.

Think Karachi Sust, aburaihans, organon and others.

With the way it’s going, there won’t be a lot of small packages to mask all the contrabands. Good luck USA.

 

[pipo]

lol you think China gives a flying fuck about steroids? Lmao blind as a bat… like the Chinese gov isn’t involved in fent… don’t talk about shit you don’t know…

I don't know about what China gives a fuck and neither is matter what I or you think.
Do you have 1st hand experience on how things go in China or you make assumptions like everyone that isn't directly involve in this matter?

 

[FastBun]

I don't know about what China gives a fuck and neither is matter what I or you think.
Do you have 1st hand experience on how things go in China or you make assumptions like everyone that isn't directly involve in this matter?

I’m pretty clear on things over there… as others here are too… I don’t have to assume anything… I’m not concerned at all…

 

[FastBun]

Bottom line is, people are so spoiled of easy access with these Chinese aas bloom. There are places in earth that sell legit aas for human consumption but you have to the leg work or have proper connections not just chat gpt skills lol.

This is what we had to deal with decades ago, it’s expensive and takes forever to get your stuff.

Think Karachi Sust, aburaihans, organon and others.

With the way it’s going, there won’t be a lot of small packages to mask all the contrabands. Good luck USA.

Is that gear from paki still around? Lol

 

[DECLAN]

Is that gear from paki still around? Lol

I think only replicas are left, i have not inquired about hg gear especially amps since Chinese raws became available to everyone.

There’s a couple of buddies who work in the middle east saying hg gear is widely used and sold.

 

[Mac81]

I think you guys are getting ridiculous with all of this, starting to turn into some tin foil hat shit, everyday I log in on here and somebody's trying to push some kind of new conspiracy scare on the community, well what if they do this, well what if they do that, nobody's going to be able to get anything, It's going to get dry everywhere, I think you guys need to just find a new hobby and relax, If you think for one second that everything is just going to dry up permanently and nobody's going to step in and start manufacturing again you're out of your flipping mind...
I just put a request in to have my account deleted and I hope they do, I can't handle much more of this conspiracy theory nonsense, all you guys are getting out way out of hand, you have everybody freaking out everybody thinks they have fake drugs, all of this is a bunch of unhealthy nonsense.

 

[DECLAN]

I am amazed there are still people ordering now even after all the arrests and shutdowns. Either people just love gambling or they really are prepared to lose some dough.

If you’re not a brand new user of these drugs then you messed up if you have not built a stash before shit hit the fan.

Let’s watch how many will come back complaining again when the remaining Chinese vendors disappear.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I am amazed there are still people ordering now even after all the arrests and shutdowns. Either people just love gambling or they really are prepared to lose some dough.

If you’re not a brand new user of these drugs then you messed up if you have not built a stash before shit hit the fan.

Let’s watch how many will come back complaining again when the remaining Chinese vendors disappear.

Some sources are saying it's bad rn but try placing an order for any of the basics, domestic or international, and it's business as usual.

*a kilo of raws or a kit of primo is not "the basics"