Yea I was pretty surprised:
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Trenbolonetax
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Your fasting insulin and igf were much lower in the prior test…what was going on there?
Carnivore and no GH. That 254 IGF-1 was on nothing but 125mg of Test. Honestly I wasn't even sure what I'd get out of GH with a natty number that was quite a bit higher than what seems to be the average in this thread. But since I was ordering TZ already, "might as well" throw some GH in the order just to see what happens, right?
Letits now
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50 yo.
116.
Looks like I need to dig into this package from lobster now.
116.
Looks like I need to dig into this package from lobster now.
malfeasance
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trebolonetax - could the fact that he is riding a bike 10-20 miles after injecting hgh account for his low fasting insulin?
20 miles at his bodyweight is more than 1500 calories
20 miles at his bodyweight is more than 1500 calories
AlexDavis43
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If he's losing weight, yes.
my igf1 was 220 natty, didnt budge at all from mk677, started a test e cycle 750mg per week with the occasional oral pre workout and its 310 now. Insulin is at 5.4 µU/mL, 21 years old, which is surpring because ive been bulking and i am eating a lot of carbs and stupid food too. Also im close to hypothioidism, i know that hyperthiroid people have more igf1. Perhaps ill induce hyperthiroidism during my cut and see if it increase more.
markus holland
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My natural levels tested at 256 ng/ml. I'm 56 years old, Just lost 40 pound on tirzepatide the past 6 months.
Grey Spartan
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That is amazing levels for 56.
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BabaJagga
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216 ng/ml as natural, never touched any peds. tested at morning.
I’m 35, and my IGF-1 levels have always been at the low end. My most recent test, taken before I started HGH, showed a level of 186, whereas previously it ranged between 85 and 109 ng/ml. Now I’m using 2iu of HGH daily, and I’ll see what my results look like in a month.
AlexDavis43
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Had the house to myself and way too many stimulants in my system so put everyone's response in this thread into an excel chart: GH dose vs IGF-1.
Many confounding variables not captured like other gear/AAS, baseline IGF-1, calorie deficit, etc., etc.
IGF-1 +100 ng/mL per IU hGH is a VERY rough approximation. Not exactly new information.
Many confounding variables not captured like other gear/AAS, baseline IGF-1, calorie deficit, etc., etc.
IGF-1 +100 ng/mL per IU hGH is a VERY rough approximation. Not exactly new information.
malfeasance
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Huge variation there. Somebody on 2 iu is over 400, and somebody on 4 iu is at 160 or so? Ouch.
Nice work indeed. You could try harmonizing the data as part of a PK / PD model but would then need additional info (body weight, elapsed time vs injection, etc).
Thank you for doing the analysis and sharing.
Would be fun to apply this tour de force effort (see link) and compare with your plot above...
Population Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics of Once-Daily Growth Hormone Norditropin® in Children and Adults - PMC
Once-daily injectable recombinant human growth hormone (GH) formulations (e.g. Norditropin®; Novo Nordisk A/S) are used to treat GH deficiency in children and adults, with much of the therapeutic effect mediated via the insulin-like growth factor-I ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Edit: after looking at the model and fit we could probably clean up the R2 quite a bit by casting the abscissa as daily dose per unit body mass.
See Figure 2.
And Figure 3
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Fig 4
That should do it. You could throw this line (calculated from these data) along with confidence intervals on a new graph as a general guideline. If we had all the member bodyweights we could redo your graph above and make a gross comparison.
Thanks again for the cool plot @AlexDavis43.
That should do it. You could throw this line (calculated from these data) along with confidence intervals on a new graph as a general guideline. If we had all the member bodyweights we could redo your graph above and make a gross comparison.
Thanks again for the cool plot @AlexDavis43.
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Mid-40s
No idea on natty levels but:
165 on TRT
195 on TRT + 2iu Opti Greys
??? on TRT + 3iu Opti Greys
Getting bloodwork next month so we’ll see what the 1iu bump does.
Either way my shoulder injuries don’t hurt anymore, skin looks great compared to before HGH, and people are surprised when they find out my age and tell me I look mid to late 30s, so even at low doses it’s doing something for me.
No idea on natty levels but:
165 on TRT
195 on TRT + 2iu Opti Greys
??? on TRT + 3iu Opti Greys
Getting bloodwork next month so we’ll see what the 1iu bump does.
Either way my shoulder injuries don’t hurt anymore, skin looks great compared to before HGH, and people are surprised when they find out my age and tell me I look mid to late 30s, so even at low doses it’s doing something for me.
Jackedjack
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Below 100, age 35, even on HGH im not so much good responder ~200 is best i got with 10iu daily
UncleBuns
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You want to wait until 6 weeks of GH use to get a proper new reading.
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