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tren ace ED or EOD? Bring the facts.

Not too sure mate its purely guesswork at this point. The nolva daily certainly won't hurt, but you def need an AI and potentially some caber too
 
@Sector if i could afford bloood work all the time id do it but im asking just so i can get it nipped in the bud and then ill get bloodwork at end of month when i got some more money in the bank im just a middle class slave lol
 
BoloYang2023 said:
what about letro and caber or proviron or even arimisan?
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If you don't have gyno:
Aromasin or arimdex for the AI

If you do have gyno:
Nuke it with letrozole and Nolvadex until it's gone (this is assuming it's not prolactin related) , then switch to a less potent ai like aromasin or arimidex

If it's prolactin related you need caber. Letrozole and nolvadex won't fix prolactin issues, only estrogen issues

Using letrozole if you don't have gyno, to maintain your E2 isn't advised. You'll very likely crash your estrogen with letrozole, which Is why aromasin or arimdex is reccomended. I prefer aromasin personally

But again, you need some aromasin and caber Ideally if you really want to fix this, then you can zone in on the issue through the process of elimination if bloodwork is out of the question. Use the Nolvadex + aromasin to see if its estrogen related sides. If this fixes it, you're good. If it doesn't fix it, it's prolactin related, and you need caber.

It's also worth noting that prolactin sides scale much higher if your estrogen is high. So if you have high estrogen, your chance of developing prolactin sides drastically increases on 19-nors. (This is also why i run low test with tren) Controlling estrogen is critical for also negating prolactin sides

That's the best way i can explain it. Obviously if you're having a hard time getting aromasin or arimdex, and only have access to letro, do what you can, but you're going to have to dose the letro super low, and even then you'll probably crash your estrogen. Still better than having gyno though. Estrogen levels can rebound within a week or so at your test dosage, depending how easy you aromatise, so crashed estrogen isn't the end of the world, but you'd feel a lot better having it in a normal range

Proviron isn't going to fix the issues you're describing
 
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Sector said:
If you don't have gyno:
Aromasin or arimdex for the AI

If you do have gyno:
Nuke it with letrozole and Nolvadex until it's gone (this is assuming it's not prolactin related) , then switch to a less potent ai like aromasin or arimidex

If it's prolactin related you need caber. Letrozole and nolvadex won't fix prolactin issues, only estrogen issues

Using letrozole if you don't have gyno, to maintain your E2 isn't advised. You'll very likely crash your estrogen with letrozole, which Is why aromasin or arimdex is reccomended. I prefer aromasin personally

But again, you need some aromasin and caber Ideally if you really want to fix this, then you can zone in on the issue through the process of elimination if bloodwork is out of the question. Use the Nolvadex + aromasin to see if its estrogen related sides. If this fixes it, you're good. If it doesn't fix it, it's prolactin related, and you need caber.

It's also worth noting that prolactin sides scale much higher if your estrogen is high. So if you have high estrogen, your chance of developing prolactin sides drastically increases on 19-nors. (This is also why i run low test with tren) Controlling estrogen is critical for also negating prolactin sides

That's the best way i can explain it. Obviously if you're having a hard time getting aromasin or arimdex, and only have access to letro, do what you can, but you're going to have to dose the letro super low, and even then you'll probably crash your estrogen. Still better than having gyno though. Estrogen levels can rebound within a week or so at your test dosage, depending how easy you aromatise, so crashed estrogen isn't the end of the world, but you'd feel a lot better having it in a normal range

Proviron isn't going to fix the issues you're describing
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hey so if i just stop it all the gyno will go awya right without caber and just going back to trt correct?
 
Sector said:
If you're estrogen and/or prolactin is elevated than no, dropping to TRT isn't going to reduce them. You'll need an AI or caber for this
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well i just ordered nolva dex aromasin and letro 100 capsules each so hopefully this will help it might be in the next 4-6 days but still it should help and ill continue my nolva dex
 
BoloYang2023 said:
you ever try

parmi>
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Pramipexole? I have. About 8 years ago. Hated it personally, feel like it really screwed my sleep up. The tren already messed up my sleep, but with prami i was getting like 4 hours a night. Not fun. but it'll do the job for getting prolactin in check.

Sides vary by individual so you might not have the same sides I did, and might be perfectly fine.

I prefer caber personally, but in terms of getting prolactin down, both work. It's really about whichever gives you less sides
 
Sector said:
Pramipexole? I have. About 8 years ago. Hated it personally, feel like it really screwed my sleep up. The tren already messed up my sleep, but with prami i was getting like 4 hours a night. Not fun. but it'll do the job for getting prolactin in check.

Sides vary by individual so you might not have the same sides I did, and might be perfectly fine.

I prefer caber personally, but in terms of getting prolactin down, both work. It's really about whichever gives you less sides
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where do you find caber ive been searching man
 
You could hypothetically find some in the underground section.

Or if you google reliablerxpharmacy, they have caber and they're legit (used their pharma nolva and letrozole successfully). The only thing is it takes a few weeks to arrive (mods If this isn't allowed let me know and I'll delete/edit the message).
 
Going to lower the tren from 75ed (525/week) back to 50ed (350/week).

The irritability and the shitty sleep just aren't worth it. Hoping things level out around 350/week, or I might just drop it all together and go back to the feel good cycle of test/mast/var
 
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