Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

No fuck you cunt. Talk all your putin lip lock cocksucking bullshit Pravda propaganda you degenerate fucking moron, but the fact is your butt buddy invavaded Ukraine not the other way around.

Gee Paul big bad Putin the Boogeyman got you all upset?

How dare that megalomaniac cartoon cocksucker draw a red line then have the balls to back it up?

I mean the bastard only threatened to do it for twenty years if we kept meddling around in Ukraine, so who the fuck does he think is calling out your bluff? The uncouth cocksucker.

He was supposed to lay down and whimper like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan for crying out loud Paul, didn't the cocksucker get the memo?

Only your vindictive lying bastard leadership is allowed to draw lines and take shit they want and have the clout to defend themselves. Who the fuck does he think he is anyway? Barak Obama?

Jesus fuck Paul, what's this world coming to?
 
He's an idiot.

He thinks his propoganda is truth and that his leadership is something like holy apostles.

He thinks the world needs people like him to rule over them for their own good, because they're not smart enough to rule themselves.

He doesn't comprehend that most of the Arab world wants his leadership in Washington out. That they want Washington out of Syria, Libya and Iraq and to stop trying to control the world's energy market. Because that oil belongs to the people who live in those lands and not his heroes in Washington. Because he thinks he and his holy leadership should rule the earth by some bizarre type of divine right.

He's totally totally mistaken and an idiot of large proportions that's only going to understand when his leadership gets gutted and his way of life is taken away.

Then he'll deny he ever said any of this stupid shit, and proclaim his loyalty to whoever comes out on top in the struggle.

That's called a gutless cunt in English and a monsieur's sans couilles in Cajun. Or something like homme sans testicules in classic French....I think

There's little hope for him either way
Lol
Un monsieur sans couille je dirais même une grande gueule qui pisse pas loin .
Il se range du côté de la domination mondiale et des que ça sera la Chine il prêtera allégeance au super vilain Xijing
 
Gee Paul big bad Putin the Boogeyman got you all upset?

How dare that megalomaniac cartoon cocksucker draw a red line then have the balls to back it up?

I mean the bastard only threatened to do it for twenty years if we kept meddling around in Ukraine, so who the fuck does he think is calling out your bluff? The uncouth cocksucker.

He was supposed to lay down and whimper like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan for crying out loud Paul, didn't the cocksucker get the memo?

Only your vindictive lying bastard leadership is allowed to draw lines and defend themselves.

Jesus fuck Paul, what's this world coming to?
No moron, with every fucking post you make, that I skim through, I wonder what the fuck is this country coming to.

You would be doing 15 yrs in Russia if you had the same balls, but I'm certain given the right conditions you too would be a good citizen.
 
Lol
Un monsieur sans couille je dirais même une grande gueule qui pisse pas loin .
Il se range du côté de la domination mondiale et des que ça sera la Chine il prêtera allégeance au super vilain Xijing

il obtiendra partout quelles balles sont dans son visage. il ne va pas se battre pour ou contre quoi que ce soit personnellement
 
We start and stop oil production here all of the time.
The small companies sometimes yearly yeah, but the large ones want to keep a baseline level of production going no matter what the price or demand is because it costs money to stop and start.

If Washington could have crashed Russian economy, they would have done it by now
In fact they seem to be trying to keep that from happening right now.

Once you realize we have developed the tools to crash the Russian economy you also realize it's not smart to go all the way with it. Thomas Graham was Director of Russian Affairs during the Bush years and I thought it was interesting what he said about it:

View: https://youtu.be/uqjyjDvASqE?t=897

"We need to structure our sanctions in a way that doesn't totally cripple the Russian economy over the long term. We don't want to see the cratering of the Russian economy. We need a country for our own purposes that might not be as strong as the Soviet Union was to challenge us, but not so weak that it can't govern in an effective fashion the vast territory that it occupies and controls at this point." -Graham


He says that the issues of how far we alienate Russia and how far we cripple Russia are 2 big issues that are being debated in Washington today and he doesn't think they've reached a firm conclusion yet. He says the goal is to keep Russia from funding its war while keeping the oil flowing and without creating the kind of security, economic and humanitarian issues a total collapse would cause.

We spent a decade raping the corpse of the Soviet Union.

Never tried to "help" anybody
There was in fact a decade long effort, though it is criticized for not being robust enough or successful enough:
"The IMF lent $3 billion to Russia in 1993–94 in the form of a Systematic Transformation Facility, followed by a $6.5 billion standby loan in 1995, and a three-year loan, $18.5 billion Extended Fund Facility in 1996. The World Bank lent $7.8 billion to Russia in the 1990s for 33 projects, focusing on private sector development and infrastructure reform (such as the privatization of the coal industry) (Rutland, 2012)."

"In 1992 and 1993, all bilateral creditors provided a total of US$36 billion of financial assistance, with the G-7 accounting for the bulk of it (Citrin and Lahiri, 1995, Table 7.5)."

"In the 1990s, many Westerners saw Russians as victims of Soviet oppression who deserved help. International donors provided tens of billions of dollars in aid to Russia. U.S. Operation Provide Hope sent $5 billion in humanitarian aid to Russia and other former Soviet republics."

"The term "shock therapy" refers to a set of radical economic reforms aimed at rapid economic stabilization, liberalization, privatization and the opening of the economy to international trade. Shock therapy was pioneered in Bolivia and was then carried over to Poland and Russia with varying degrees of success. The policies of shock therapy provoked much debate that centered on whether or not the final achievements justified the pain that accompanied such radical restructuring. Below, the key architects of the reform in the three countries reflect on pros and cons of shock therapy and compare the results."
 
No moron, with every fucking post you make, that I skim through, I wonder what the fuck is this country coming to.

You would be doing 15 yrs in Russia if you had the same balls, but I'm certain given the right conditions you too would be a good citizen.

Which just goes to show you know about as much about the Russian people as you do the rest of America outside that little blue bubble of yours.

Which amounts to jack shit.

I'd do anything for this country Paul. But I'm doing anything for this government and ruling class except bide enough time to stick my boot on their necks when they finally go face down in the horseshit.
 
Horseshit.
China has openly stayed it's open to do business with Russia.

They'll certainly float any loan Russia may require.

However, unlike Washington, Russia has very little debt

Washington cannot stop any of it.
It's possible they float Russia a $50 billion or $100 billion mercy loan if the Russian govt can't pay the bills and have to shut it's doors, but we don't know that. And once you realize we control the price of oil, the ruble can't be exchanged, they can't get or use a bank account in the West, they can't get foreign manufacturing components, we won't even let them use Western airports... if we really wanted to tank Russia, $50 or $100 billion wouldn't save them.
 
The small companies sometimes yearly yeah, but the large ones want to keep a baseline level of production going no matter what the price or demand is because it costs money to stop and start.


In fact they seem to be trying to keep that from happening right now.

Once you realize we have developed the tools to crash the Russian economy you also realize it's not smart to go all the way with it. Thomas Graham was Director of Russian Affairs during the Bush years and I thought it was interesting what he said about it:

View: https://youtu.be/uqjyjDvASqE?t=897

"We need to structure our sanctions in a way that doesn't totally cripple the Russian economy over the long term. We don't want to see the cratering of the Russian economy. We need a country for our own purposes that might not be as strong as the Soviet Union was to challenge us, but not so weak that it can't govern in an effective fashion the vast territory that it occupies and controls at this point." -Graham


He says that the issues of how far we alienate Russia and how far we cripple Russia are 2 big issues that are being debated in Washington today and he doesn't think they've reached a firm conclusion yet. He says the goal is to keep Russia from funding its war while keeping the oil flowing and without creating the kind of security, economic and humanitarian issues a total collapse would cause.


There was in fact a decade long effort, though it is criticized for not being robust enough or successful enough:
"The IMF lent $3 billion to Russia in 1993–94 in the form of a Systematic Transformation Facility, followed by a $6.5 billion standby loan in 1995, and a three-year loan, $18.5 billion Extended Fund Facility in 1996. The World Bank lent $7.8 billion to Russia in the 1990s for 33 projects, focusing on private sector development and infrastructure reform (such as the privatization of the coal industry) (Rutland, 2012)."

"In 1992 and 1993, all bilateral creditors provided a total of US$36 billion of financial assistance, with the G-7 accounting for the bulk of it (Citrin and Lahiri, 1995, Table 7.5)."

"In the 1990s, many Westerners saw Russians as victims of Soviet oppression who deserved help. International donors provided tens of billions of dollars in aid to Russia. U.S. Operation Provide Hope sent $5 billion in humanitarian aid to Russia and other former Soviet republics."

"The term "shock therapy" refers to a set of radical economic reforms aimed at rapid economic stabilization, liberalization, privatization and the opening of the economy to international trade. Shock therapy was pioneered in Bolivia and was then carried over to Poland and Russia with varying degrees of success. The policies of shock therapy provoked much debate that centered on whether or not the final achievements justified the pain that accompanied such radical restructuring. Below, the key architects of the reform in the three countries reflect on pros and cons of shock therapy and compare the results."


You're a stupid fuck are f there ever was one.

You went right back to copy and paste propoganda when you couldn't coherently argue your points.

Lmfao.

You think you're telling me something?

You goddamn idiot... Jeffery Sachs wrote books about shock therapy and resigned in disgust over what happened during the rape of Russia. The coupon privatization scam and all of it.

He was there and you should read them. I have bitch.

Don't pretend like you can educate me.


https://www.amazon.com/New-Foreign-Policy-American-Exceptionalism/dp/023118848X

And here's the results

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0991076702

Both good reads and not CNN bullshit propoganda
 
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It's possible they float Russia a $50 billion or $100 billion mercy loan if the Russian govt can't pay the bills and have to shut it's doors, but we don't know that. And once you realize we control the price of oil, the ruble can't be exchanged, they can't get or use a bank account in the West, they can't get foreign manufacturing components, we won't even let them use Western airports... if we really wanted to tank Russia, $50 or $100 billion wouldn't save them.
Trying to have a rational conversation with an irrational cunt?
 
If you want a response practice your English.

So far we haven't seen any Ukrainians doing this.
He's a sock puppet. @Hughinn only posts between the hours of 5AM to 8PM Louisiana time, which makes me believe he doesn't really live there or he's in an institution (jail with work release, a sober home, group home etc) and needs to be off by a certain time.

@Fautquejyaille posts during the same hours and usually just a few minutes after Hughinn. So I wouldn't waste my time arguing with them separately.
 
It's possible they float Russia a $50 billion or $100 billion mercy loan if the Russian govt can't pay the bills and have to shut it's doors, but we don't know that. And once you realize we control the price of oil, the ruble can't be exchanged, they can't get or use a bank account in the West, they can't get foreign manufacturing components, we won't even let them use Western airports... if we really wanted to tank Russia, $50 or $100 billion wouldn't save them.


Washington couldn't tank the Russian economy without destroying several other economies, possibly even their own in the process.

Stop being stupid
 
You went right back to copy and paste propoganda when you couldn't coherently argue your points.
Yes, rational/logical people argue with facts and information they can point to, not just feelings and beliefs.

Sachs doesn't say we raped Russia. No one says that but you. Sachs says we didn't do enough. Here's a good explanation of it:
"By estimate of J. Sachs (1997), for a favorable outcome of the reforms Russia needed Western aid in the amount of 15 to 20 billion dollars annually for the first five years until the stable economic growth (Shenin, 2010). However, the notion that the West was ready to provide (that amount of) financial aid had dissipated very quickly."

"J. Sachs insistently sought for the Western aid. “Shock therapy” could not be successful without the massive financial injections. In April 1992, the US President George Bush and the German Chancellor Kohl (on behalf of EU) announced the decision about the aid package to Russia amounting to $24 billion, the leaders of the G-7 approved 20 billion more for the aid to the other republics of the Soviet Union (Shenin, 2008b). However, these promises were not implemented. The US electorate traditionally disapproved the issues of spending their money on some alien needs, for example to support democracy in Russia. In conditions of the upcoming presidential elections, George Bush did not insist on the Congress adoption of those packages that had been already announced."
 
He's a sock puppet. @Hughinn only posts between the hours of 5AM to 8PM Louisiana time, which makes me believe he doesn't really live there or he's in an institution (jail with work release, a sober home, group home etc) and needs to be off by a certain time.

Lmfao

Dip shit

I get up at 4am and go to bed at 8pm.

I work with my hands and start before sunup and seldom stay awake past 9pm.

I'm a working man.

Something you wouldn't know shit about
@Fautquejyaille posts during the same hours and usually just a few minutes after Hughinn. So I wouldn't waste my time arguing with them separately.
 
He's a sock puppet. @Hughinn only posts between the hours of 5AM to 8PM Louisiana time, which makes me believe he doesn't really live there or he's in an institution (jail with work release, a sober home, group home etc) and needs to be off by a certain time.

@Fautquejyaille posts during the same hours and usually just a few minutes after Hughinn. So I wouldn't waste my time arguing with them separately.
I have time.
 
Washington couldn't tank the Russian economy without destroying several other economies, possibly even their own in the process.

Stop being stupid
Not destroy. Russia's $1.4 trillion economy is not as important as you think. As Yale economics professor Sonnenfeld says, Europe is realizing now that they don't really need Russian energy. Natural gas and oil prices in Europe are lower than before the war and diesel is about the same.
In other words, you know I'm right.

Almost anything can be substituted.

Besides that, Washington sanctions on chips haven't worked out anyway
I never said Russia couldn't find middle-men in the short term or work-arounds for the long term, I said "Russia is having difficulties making anything more sophisticated than an artillery round." There's no denying that. It's not business as usual in Moscow.
So you talk alot of shit. But a rational person looking at this without your bullshit blinders of propoganda and catch slogans sees one hell of an artillery and missle arsenal that's been used very effectively.
Well, you have the "world's #2 army", a standing army of 900k in peace time, specifically built from the ground up for this kind of war... and they couldn't even capture and keep more than 17% of a neighboring country with 1/3rd the population - even after Russia mobilized last fall. And probably 2/3rd of that they controlled before the invasion anyway.

Lets not act like Russia will be using the Ukraine war in their military equipment sales brochures.

No, they're on backorder because Ukraine has already burned through the entire NATO stockpile of these weapons.
Another thing you're underinformed on but think you should speak about anyway. New HIMARS orders have been made with:
Australia (May, 2022)
Estonia (December, 2022)
https://news.err.ee/1608659089/usa-allows-estonia-to-buy-six-himars-missile-systems
Latvia (Oct, 2022)
Lithuania (Nov, 2022)
Netherlands (Feb, 2023)
And Poland just bought 480 launchers, though they already had 20.

Similar sales have been made for the javelin.
 
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