Torn Pec

[jJjburton]

I've had 2 AC surgeries, one each shoulder.

For the first, I listened to my GP who said it was barely a Grade 3 and told me I wouldn't need surgery because it looked fine, I could use and still move it relatively well, and I didn't complain about the pain.

Long story short, I did need surgery. 6 months (!) later, I saw a surgeon who chastisted me for not seeing him right away. (I had to wait 2months to get an appointment with - he later told me if I would have told the receptionist it was a semi-emergency I could have seen him immediately).

The surgeon used endobutton (tightrope) but my AC ligaments could not be recovered so he did ligamentoplasty using tendons take from my hamstring muscle (as an alternative to cadaver). I don't know if this is an option or even possible to use in late surgeries for this type of pec tear?

The second surgery (I got hit by a car while cycling) was better. The accident happened at 6pm. I literally called him from the scene at 7pm. He saw me at 9am. I was in the operating room ~24 hours later.

Repairing acute injuries are much easier, recover much faster, with better prognosis.

My first intervention was successful but the second one was as close to perfect as I could imagine and perhaps better than before.

So yeah, always address these type of injuries immediately and persistently.

Ok yes,

so you are still able to put on solid size after this occured as i can tell, that is inspiring. I will 100 percent stress the working out aspect as you said earlier.

Wow that is incredible you are able to bounce back from that, with all your hard work and detication. And yes using a cavaer is possible if needed and this new surgeon can do this where the other would not be able to. Since the new one is incredibly knowledage and top.
Thank You

 

[jJjburton]

Yep certain back exercises and bicep work will bother it some days but mine was a unqiue tear. I got 20” bicep on that side again , it shriveled up to 14” after surgery. My lower bicep is gone arm looks odd as fuck now haha.

After this injury I relized how quick you get the muscle back with relatively light work , muscle memory is awesome.

Ok, that is great to know, and that your still pushing through it all, amazing. Knowing muscle memory is there thank goodness

 

[jJjburton]

I recently recovered from a bicep tear (tendon 90% torn off the bone, currently just over 12 weeks post op) and have spoken with a few docs lately, my neighbor is an orthopedic surgeon who recently performed a pec repair. Apparently pec tears off the bone are one of the more difficult surgeries to perform because the tendon length is incredibly short, vs something like a bicep. It essentially is muscle to bone (that’s an exaggeration, but not far from the truth) and time is very much of the essence when it comes to pec reattachement.

My neighbor told me the surgery he performed was about 8 weeks post injury and that it was a major pain in the ass. Luckily the doc is a younger guy so fighting with the muscle was probably easier than it would’ve been for an older surgeon.

If you’re still within the first 2 weeks post injury I think it’ll be “easy” but I wouldn’t wait any longer than that if I were you and would get the surgery done ASAP.

For me, since I didn’t have full detachment, I didn’t lift with it, but still used it almost like I would in everyday life without loading it up. Based on what the surgeon told me, I think it helped that I didn’t lock it into position with a sling and kept moving it and kept blood flow to it

So i was using it alot, but then started getting worried moving would cause the muscle to pull the tendon more. Ill call and ask the doctor now whats best. Thank you

Hope your recovery is going well and all you are hoping for becomes reality.

I will be end of 4th week once i see this guy. I am truely hoping once he sees it he makes it more of a close surgery then the time i have.

It is tough with covid going on to get apts. i will call the doc everyday to check for cancels too

 

[jJjburton]

Fuck, my surgery fell through with this guy. Have another booked, making this urgent now. Ans not waiting for the online stuff, straight to the doc and luckily they do know this injury need to be done.

So monday it is for talking and hope this week will be done. At this point i just want it done.

They actually canceled my surgery because i took suboxone 1 year ago and they found out i was once an addict. How it that possible? Dont people need help regardless of what they went through in the past

 

[Logan44551]

Fuck, my surgery fell through with this guy. Have another booked, making this urgent now. Ans not waiting for the online stuff, straight to the doc and luckily they do know this injury need to be done.

So monday it is for talking and hope this week will be done. At this point i just want it done.

They actually canceled my surgery because i took suboxone 1 year ago and they found out i was once an addict. How it that possible? Dont people need help regardless of what they went through in the past

I was going to comment to be very careful with your meds post op. I'm an ex junkie myself and I'll tell you, my body doesn't know the difference between morphine for a medical need and recreational. My last relapse came after a hospital stay for meningitis and an IV of morphine.

 

[T&H]

Fuck, my surgery fell through with this guy. Have another booked, making this urgent now. Ans not waiting for the online stuff, straight to the doc and luckily they do know this injury need to be done.

So monday it is for talking and hope this week will be done. At this point i just want it done.

They actually canceled my surgery because i took suboxone 1 year ago and they found out i was once an addict. How it that possible? Dont people need help regardless of what they went through in the past

That's wrong they canceled the surgery over that. I could see them denying a pain medication prescription over that, but a surgery has nothing to do with your medical history of abuse.

Regardless, listen to Logan. I WOULD NOT accept any tske home narcotic pain pills. Period. Get some high dose ibuprofen and deal with the recovery period.

 

[jJjburton]

That's wrong they canceled the surgery over that. I could see them denying a pain medication prescription over that, but a surgery has nothing to do with your medical history of abuse.

Regardless, listen to Logan. I WOULD NOT accept any tske home narcotic pain pills. Period. Get some high dose ibuprofen and deal with the recovery period.

I was going to comment to be very careful with your meds post op. I'm an ex junkie myself and I'll tell you, my body doesn't know the difference between morphine for a medical need and recreational. My last relapse came after a hospital stay for meningitis and an IV of morphine.

I will not be using pain meds of narcotics post op. I agree. Will be doing just that

And it is obsurd, i am in need of help. Sucks.

 

[Logan44551]

That's wrong they canceled the surgery over that. I could see them denying a pain medication prescription over that, but a surgery has nothing to do with your medical history of abuse.

Regardless, listen to Logan. I WOULD NOT accept any tske home narcotic pain pills. Period. Get some high dose ibuprofen and deal with the recovery period.

Only thing I could think of is they're worried about the meds not working? Although I guess he'd be out for it anyhow. I'm not sure, maybe a drug interaction thing.

 

[theotherguy]

So i was using it alot, but then started getting worried moving would cause the muscle to pull the tendon more. Ill call and ask the doctor now whats best. Thank you

Hope your recovery is going well and all you are hoping for becomes reality.

I will be end of 4th week once i see this guy. I am truely hoping once he sees it he makes it more of a close surgery then the time i have.

It is tough with covid going on to get apts. i will call the doc everyday to check for cancels too

Because mine was a full tear I wasn’t worried about it retracting, BUT the pec attachment is wider than the vice attachment, so it could certainly be different in your case.

After surgery I didn’t take any of the hydrocodone they gave me. I took ibuprofen as needed and I was fine. Luckily for me I felt almost no pain from it. And this isnt me saying “look how tough I am” I literally just didn’t feel any pain aside from the pain of swelling. Hopefully your case is the same and you don’t feel the need for any of the narcotics.

Good luck brother, hopefully surgery comes soon and recovery is quick.

 

[jJjburton]

Because mine was a full tear I wasn’t worried about it retracting, BUT the pec attachment is wider than the vice attachment, so it could certainly be different in your case.

After surgery I didn’t take any of the hydrocodone they gave me. I took ibuprofen as needed and I was fine. Luckily for me I felt almost no pain from it. And this isnt me saying “look how tough I am” I literally just didn’t feel any pain aside from the pain of swelling. Hopefully your case is the same and you don’t feel the need for any of the narcotics.

Good luck brother, hopefully surgery comes soon and recovery is quick.

Ok that is great to know, and amazing the pain was not there. Glad your doing ok now

 

[jJjburton]

Because mine was a full tear I wasn’t worried about it retracting, BUT the pec attachment is wider than the vice attachment, so it could certainly be different in your case.

After surgery I didn’t take any of the hydrocodone they gave me. I took ibuprofen as needed and I was fine. Luckily for me I felt almost no pain from it. And this isnt me saying “look how tough I am” I literally just didn’t feel any pain aside from the pain of swelling. Hopefully your case is the same and you don’t feel the need for any of the narcotics.

Good luck brother, hopefully surgery comes soon and recovery is quick.

How is it that a full tear doesnt rettract? Because once it retracts it transisitioms from a “repair” to a “reconstruction”. I was told this time for the chest is around 6 weeks usually. Because then they have to bridge the gap with a cavear tendon.

So for your bicep this is dfifferent?

 

[theotherguy]

How is it that a full tear doesnt rettract? Because once it retracts it transisitioms from a “repair” to a “reconstruction”. I was told this time for the chest is around 6 weeks usually. Because then they have to bridge the gap with a cavear tendon.

So for your bicep this is dfifferent?

No, I thought I said it previously but if I forgot to then I apologize. It was only 90% torn off the bone, about 10% was still attached

EDIT: just realized my post you quoted was wrong, I meant to say since it wasn’t a full tear

 

[jJjburton]

Would BPC and/or TB be worth using?

Will be getting surgery tomorrow. Seems like not a super long recovery as is, but wanting to get going very much to get better.

 

[freakyjacked29]

Would BPC and/or TB be worth using?

Will be getting surgery tomorrow. Seems like not a super long recovery as is, but wanting to get going very much to get better.

don’t use it until 3 weeks post surgery it can cause abnormal scar tissue to form quicker resulting in weaker tendon tissue

don’t use any anything for inflammation either let the body do it again until 3 weeks

no trt no gh for 3 weeks

pain medication ice elevate only

post 3 week
t500
boc157
20mg var
4iu hgh
vit c 6000mg
12g msm
3g tumeric
300mg deca
300mg eq
20g collagen power
jello

It’s excessive ^ but choose from the above

 

[Logan44551]

don’t use it until 3 weeks post surgery it can cause abnormal scar tissue to form quicker resulting in weaker tendon tissue

don’t use any anything for inflammation either let the body do it again until 3 weeks

no trt no gh for 3 weeks

pain medication ice elevate only

post 3 week
t500
boc157
20mg var
4iu hgh
vit c 6000mg
12g msm
3g tumeric
300mg deca
300mg eq
20g collagen power
jello

It’s excessive ^ but choose from the above

That seems way excessive, what's the reason behind deca or EQ?

 

[theotherguy]

Hmm, I started BPC, TB, and HGH literally as soon as I got home from the hospital after surgery. I threw in anavar at 20mg/day about 2 weeks after surgery. My bicep feels excellent, but I do feel like I have an abnormally excessive superficial scar from the incision. I’ve also never been cut open before. I suppose it wouldn’t hurt to wait 3 weeks. @freakyjacked29 What are you basing your response off of?

Also, I’ve been told any gear above TRT isn’t really conducive to healing either as it makes the muscle stronger than the tendon and can cause it to pull away.

 

[theotherguy]

Would BPC and/or TB be worth using?

Will be getting surgery tomorrow. Seems like not a super long recovery as is, but wanting to get going very much to get better.

Keep in mind that feeling good is not the same thing as being healed, those peptides will lie to you and make you think you’re further along in the healing process than you actually are. Listen to your doc and your PT. If they say not to do something, don’t fucking do it.

I’ve seen you on here for a couple of years now and, you really seem like a good dude that wants to push hard. But now is not the time to push hard, now is the time to pull back and let you body heal. Eat extra calories and don’t worry as much about how you look in the mirror. You need the calories to build the required tissues to heal.

I say this to you because I know you love to push the envelope, and when you’re healthy, I’m all for it. But you’re not right now and you need to remember that. I just don’t want to see you undo your surgery/recovery. Good luck and god speed brother.

 

[freakyjacked29]

That seems way excessive, what's the reason behind deca or EQ?

collagen synthesis

 

[freakyjacked29]

Hmm, I started BPC, TB, and HGH literally as soon as I got home from the hospital after surgery. I threw in anavar at 20mg/day about 2 weeks after surgery. My bicep feels excellent, but I do feel like I have an abnormally excessive superficial scar from the incision. I’ve also never been cut open before. I suppose it wouldn’t hurt to wait 3 weeks. @freakyjacked29 What are you basing your response off of?

Also, I’ve been told any gear above TRT isn’t really conducive to healing either as it makes the muscle stronger than the tendon and can cause it to pull away.

I’ve had surgery and been told by others who’ve rushed peptides hgh which caused healing time much quicker but lead to more scar tissue and high injury risk for tearing again

 

[jJjburton]

Keep in mind that feeling good is not the same thing as being healed, those peptides will lie to you and make you think you’re further along in the healing process than you actually are. Listen to your doc and your PT. If they say not to do something, don’t fucking do it.

I’ve seen you on here for a couple of years now and, you really seem like a good dude that wants to push hard. But now is not the time to push hard, now is the time to pull back and let you body heal. Eat extra calories and don’t worry as much about how you look in the mirror. You need the calories to build the required tissues to heal.

I say this to you because I know you love to push the envelope, and when you’re healthy, I’m all for it. But you’re not right now and you need to remember that. I just don’t want to see you undo your surgery/recovery. Good luck and god speed brother.

Yes i agree will be doing just 100 mg test cyp 1x a week for some time. Also will be upping cals for sure.

Going to ask about walks and things of that nature.

Recovery in most important, so i can grow again