My current Generic GH ranking

[Liska]

This would probably be a good idea, I'll poke around a bit but afaik has anyone posted updated testing on the mauves/TP stuff these days? I know opti has new tests out from OptiCan.

@janoshik could you maybe comment on what the highest purity % you've seen (don't need to say brand) under your new testing? It would help us kind of baseline what that is, afaik the old 98-99% ones on your old test seem to float in the 95-96% rating now on the new testing?

Or what did your reference sample that you use to baseline HGH test at under this new sensitive method? This info could definitely help the community.

Or what would a "Low" purity % on the new test be.

From memory: Highest tested was 97%+ Jano mentioned but noone has come across that test in public afaik, Opti's 09/2020 greytops batch was tested at 96%+ by @Logan44551 and posted to lab testing, Goodlyfe has a test at 96%+ as well posted on SST and possibly his Meso thread, PharmasourceEU had redtops tested (not available presently) at 94%+ and steroaas.is tested a few different GH products recently and posted results to their thread.

MeditropeUK had a batch tested via Lab4Tox instead of Janoshik, which can't even test for purity but amount only, which went over really well with the community as you can imagine.

Janoshik posted info on the new testing method including his new reference sample in a dedicated thread on labtesting as well.

@79Lifter Dimer testing method is still the same and this new method doesn't mean the purity of the GH has changed from what it was, the method just detects impurities more precisely resulting in a lower percentage score.

 

[muscletrain]

From memory: Highest tested was 97%+ Jano mentioned but noone has come across that test in public afaik, Opti's 09/2020 greytops batch was tested at 96%+ by @Logan44551 and posted to lab testing, Goodlyfe has a test at 96%+ as well posted on SST and possibly his Meso thread, PharmasourceEU had redtops tested (not available presently) at 94%+ and steroaas.is tested a few different GH products recently and posted results to their thread.

MeditropeUK had a batch tested via Lab4Tox instead of Janoshik, which can't even test for purity but amount only, which went over really well with the community as you can imagine.

Janoshik posted info on the new testing method including his new reference sample in a dedicated thread on labtesting as well.

@79Lifter Dimer testing method is still the same and this new method doesn't mean the purity of the GH has changed from what it was, the method just detects impurities more precisely resulting in a lower percentage score.

Most recent Opti tests show a bit of a dip then with the greys in the 94s and the blue tops at 95 by OptiCan a few weeks ago. I think the dimer ones took a dip too down to 90%.

Available in Optican's thread.

 

[Liska]

Most recent Opti tests show a bit of a dip then with the greys in the 94s and the blue tops at 95 by OptiCan a few weeks ago. I think the dimer ones took a dip too down to 90%.

Available in Optican's thread.

I keep forgetting the purple and bluetops even exist - if I'm not mistaken the current batch of greytops with the 09/2020 sticker is the only one in existence, so that product is the same as tested by Logan. If all three results got worse I wonder if sending these from Canada all the way to Jano for testing in the summer heat hasn't caused degradation during transport.

 

[muscletrain]

I keep forgetting the purple and bluetops even exist - if I'm not mistaken the current batch of greytops with the 09/2020 sticker is the only one in existence, so that product is the same as tested by Logan. If all three results got worse I wonder if sending these from Canada all the way to Jano for testing in the summer heat hasn't caused degradation during transport.

This is the much more recent test of the Grey tops from Opti. I can't see the difference in sending one from the USA vs. Canada being the difference.

 

[Liska]

This is the much more recent test of the Grey tops from Opti. I can't see the difference in sending one from the USA vs. Canada being the difference.


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While we can't assume these were sent immediately after ordering testing, look at the dates between testing ordered and sample received on these tests (2nd is from Opti 120's ) and consider the temperature difference between March and May/June:



@janoshik Long shot but any idea whether these factors could cause that much of a difference in purity and amount assuming it's the same batch?

 

[muscletrain]

While we can't assume these were sent immediately after ordering testing, look at the dates between testing ordered and sample received on these tests (2nd is from Opti 120's ) and consider the temperature difference between March and May/June:

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@janoshik Long shot but any idea whether these factors could cause that much of a difference in purity and amount assuming it's the same batch?

I thought janoshik has stated before that shipping pucks and claiming heat degradation was overblown? Not to say anything but you do have a vested interest in Opti tests being as good as possible or possibly having an external factor being the reason for a drop in % of purity.

I'm not against them I have 2 kits of greys in my fridge. But I guess @janoshik can shed light on this.

 

[Liska]

I thought janoshik has stated before that shipping pucks and claiming heat degradation was overblown? Not to say anything but you do have a vested interest in Opti tests being as good as possible or possibly having an external factor being the reason for a drop in % of purity.

I'm not against them I have 2 kits of greys in my fridge. But I guess @janoshik can shed light on this.

I have a vested interest in not receiving nor shipping kits uncooled if these are factors possibly leading to degradation in the summer heat, please don't spin this in another way especially after I just posted another HGH tested higher and a brand testing just as good. I've already told you that if I had an interest in manipulating information, doing this with my official handle instead of an alt account or other means is the stupidest way to go about it.

I do think it's not necessary to ship them cooled at normal temperatures but we've had some ~100 degrees fahrenheit days in EU recently so I'm interested if that might do it.

 

[muscletrain]

I have a vested interest in not receiving nor shipping kits uncooled if these are factors possibly leading to degradation in the summer heat, please don't spin this in another way especially after I just posted another HGH tested higher and a brand testing just as good. I've already told you that if I had an interest in manipulating information, doing this with my official handle instead of an alt account or other means is the stupidest way to go about it.

I do think it's not necessary to ship them cooled at normal temperatures but we've had some ~100 degrees fahrenheit days in EU recently so I'm interested if that might do it.

Fair enough, I believe I'm remembering correctly but I think Jano said this was an over used excuse by sources for poor quality. Wakeup Jano-Samurai we have questions to answer.

Note: I'm not saying these are low quality I put them in my top 2 for generics.

 

[Liska]

Fair enough, I believe I'm remembering correctly but I think Jano said this was an over used excuse by sources for poor quality. Wakeup Jano-Samurai we have questions to answer.

Note: I'm not saying these are low quality I put them in my top 2 for generics.

That's definitely true, I'm curious if this can still happen realistically not only for GH but peptides/HCG - as for generics, I'd really like to see testing on DBHGH and Mauvetops and more pharma GH as well (who doesn't) - someone did have a Geno pen tested and posted to labtesting recently as well which I forgot to mention.

 

[Günther20]

How do the Grey tops from IronLion-Labs stack up against these?

 

[Sdryx]

but if someone compiled and updated a list of GH brands/batches that have been labtested in 2021 via Janoshiks new method, we could always point to that when someone asks for recommendations

Absolutely not. He has been caught providing fraudulent results. There is proof. It is set in stone and will forever be referenced. He even admitted to it after a year of denying because he realized that was his only way out due to the evidence that was collected and documented against him.

Why on earth would we provide a list for noobs to provide instant reference to an invalid list. They won’t be reading long enough to know that the list is bullshit.
Stop pushing ideas like this. It won’t happen. At least not without a daily post to reference the evidence and remind people the list is not valid.

Posting a test here or there which you paid for doesn’t bother me. You paid for it. But if I see some shit like an authoritative list from Jano on who’s GH is “g2g” I’ll be sure to spam that page with proof of his previous GH testing scam daily.

One person (Who got caught providing FAKE GH results!) should NOT be the authority on GH. Yes, we need more testing providers, but don’t ever mention this guy having an authoritative “list”.

I wonder how much $$$ he would be offered to get a bump up on that list…

 

[Logan44551]

Absolutely not. He has been caught providing fraudulent results. There is proof. It is set in stone and will forever be referenced. He even admitted to it after a year of denying because he realized that was his only way out due to the evidence that was collected and documented against him.

Why on earth would we provide a list for noobs to provide instant reference to an invalid list. They won’t be reading long enough to know that the list is bullshit.
Stop pushing ideas like this. It won’t happen. At least not without a daily post to reference the evidence and remind people the list is not valid.

Posting a test here or there which you paid for doesn’t bother me. You paid for it. But if I see some shit like an authoritative list from Jano on who’s GH is “g2g” I’ll be sure to spam that page with proof of his previous GH testing scam daily.

One person (Who got caught providing FAKE GH results!) should NOT be the authority on GH. Yes, we need more testing providers, but don’t ever mention this guy having an authoritative “list”.

I wonder how much $$$ he would be offered to get a bump up on that list…

Been awhile since I've seen you on here. Good to see you back around

 

[muscletrain]

Absolutely not. He has been caught providing fraudulent results. There is proof. It is set in stone and will forever be referenced. He even admitted to it after a year of denying because he realized that was his only way out due to the evidence that was collected and documented against him.

Why on earth would we provide a list for noobs to provide instant reference to an invalid list. They won’t be reading long enough to know that the list is bullshit.
Stop pushing ideas like this. It won’t happen. At least not without a daily post to reference the evidence and remind people the list is not valid.

Posting a test here or there which you paid for doesn’t bother me. You paid for it. But if I see some shit like an authoritative list from Jano on who’s GH is “g2g” I’ll be sure to spam that page with proof of his previous GH testing scam daily.

One person (Who got caught providing FAKE GH results!) should NOT be the authority on GH. Yes, we need more testing providers, but don’t ever mention this guy having an authoritative “list”.

I wonder how much $$$ he would be offered to get a bump up on that list…

This is a very good point on the major flaw in a list like this after reading it. Even though people have gotten over the hump with Jano a list like that would have people offering huge money to be listed on it let alone #1 on some "Guide to HGH". It would be all Jano tests and the ones that were Lab4Tox would be spammed with "But no dimer/purity" or something.

Leave it as is where people can do their own research and find lab tests that have been performed or send their own in.

 

[MONSTRO1977]

My top 3 UGL is:

Mauve tops meditrope
Qtropin quore pharm
SP trophin

 

[Methyl Mike]

My top 3 UGL is:

Mauve tops meditrope
Qtropin quore pharm
SP trophin

Qtropin really? Is this recent?

 

[muscletrain]

Qtropin really? Is this recent?

Im confused by this as well, I just tagged you in the other thread too. I have not seen this stuff run by many people at all and it's in a weird area as being a liquid GH formation. I'm not sure I can put that on a top 3 without HPLC testing and some actual reports from users no?

I'm very warry of liquid stable GH not produced by a true big pharma company. Didn't you say your stuff you ran before was literally cooler transported between you guys Mike?

There's two of these companies selling 100iu single vial liquid GH now with that other guy the one that looked like it came in a watch box with the gold label.

 

[Methyl Mike]

Im confused by this as well, I just tagged you in the other thread too. I have not seen this stuff run by many people at all and it's in a weird area as being a liquid GH formation. I'm not sure I can put that on a top 3 without HPLC testing and some actual reports from users no?

I'm very warry of liquid stable GH not produced by a true big pharma company. Didn't you say your stuff you ran before was literally cooler transported between you guys Mike?

There's two of these companies selling 100iu single vial liquid GH now with that other guy the one that looked like it came in a watch box with the gold label.

Yup. A chemist was snaking jugs of nutropin off the assembly line and then filling vials with it. It would be good for a while if kept refrigerated at all times and when i had a batch they came in little coolers. The chemist even warned us the stuff degrades fast at room temp. Google Nutropin by Genentech its probably still ahead of its time. Theres no way you could ship that stuff by air freight I dont think. Not easily or cheaply. So Qtropin is claiming to have essentially improved on Genentechs product. Not impossible but Im skeptical.

I will say Nutropin was the absolute shit. People were willing to pay anything to get it. Which means Qtropin is potentially good too.

 

[Methyl Mike]

Brothers face allegations that they stole Human Growth Hormone, sold it in San Jose store

 

[Methyl Mike]

Funny I remember when the feds sent undercovers to.make a buy from me as I ran the sister store in Mountain View at the time. I never fucked around like that, it wasnt how I got down.

So one day this african american couple walk in and I could kinda tell they werent really there to shop. They werent actually looking at products, taking them off the shelves or anything like customers do, and suddenly the black guy walks right over to me and says "hey man Im looking for some winstrol" and out of the corner of my eye i could see the female he was wite stop dead in her tracks and was clearly intently listening but pretending she wasnt.

Now, i should be clear on something, i dont like being fucked with. I made good eye contact and said nice and loud "THE SIGN ON THE FRONT OF THE STORE DOES NOT SAY LA PHARMACIA." He got the point real fucking fast and his bitch was somehow out the door faster than he was.

I called the other store to warn them but i was too late. Feds dressed like a bunch of college football players made a buy off the owner already. He would never have been so careless but at the time he was smoking meth and playing poker in the back of his store. All ended well more or less. Feds got what they wanted which of course was cash. My store never got fucked with again.

@BigBaldBeardGuy for lulz

 

[Methyl Mike]

seems like whenever meth is involved the outcome is the same.