Blood pressure

[Cmillis]

I suffer from blood pressure that’s under control with some meds

how high does your blood pressure increase going on cycle? I know it depends on what you are running and dose plus other factors

just curious what I can expect going on test and anavar cycle and also test and deca cycle. Any steroid less prone to raise bp? I’m sure ones that don’t make you hold a lot of water weight are less likely to increase bp. Does Arimidex on cycle help keep bp lower? I’d like to hear from experienced users. I’m 50 6’ 230 lbs. not as lean as I’d like to be. Not looking to bulk up. Would hgh be better option to lean out.

I’ll cut out salt and eat healthy but I have sleep apnea which can be a contributing fact to bp. Currently use bipap treatment every night but I have a big neck which isn’t good for sleep apnea

any OTC or herbal supplements work for you? I’m trying Hawthorne berry but I don’t find it’s helping

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

increasing in blood pressure due to aas use isnt related to estrogens only.. my bo skyrocketed while having low e2, checked by blood.

i had high bp hereditary and worsened by a bike crash.. and then by aas usage..

Last cardiologist i went to switched my bp med.. now i m on 10mg perindopril and 5mg amlodipine.. i m taking 6g of omega 3 daily.. 10mg torasemide ED (a diuretic) and i use some
Potassium supplement weekly, dosage gave me by my medician.
Cialis is also used by high bp users to drop pressure...

I can suggest you to: stay on TRT at maybe 150mg WEeekly and run some good HGH...maybe 3.3iu fasted upon waking pre cardio while stayin fasted for a couple of hours then.. check your bp daily..

If you stll have bp problems and wanna stay enhanced I would contact him



or him

 

[Cmillis]

Thanks. What’s your bp run now?

What potassium supplement and dose do u take? Did u find a difference? I drink a lot of coconut water and eat bananas which are high in potassium but was considering potassium supplement

I was put on diuretic but electrolytes dropped so I was taken off it. Now on a couple blood pressure meds(exforge and labetetol)

how long do you run the hgh?

thanks for your input

 

[No Gods No Masters]

Any of these will increase your hct or could if your bonemarrow over responds. For me that's the highest risk of increase blood pressure.

I think you'll find most steroids outside of Test will usually bump your bp 10 to 20 points.

If you're already on the edge of what is acceptable think long and hard what having high bp means for how you feel, pounding stress headaches are what I get. So be prepared to stop for your own well being and just stick with the Test.

BP seems to do a lot better for the young guys that are slim, bigger guys that are older like myself don't do so well walking around with high blood pressure.

And I hate using blood pressure meds, out of the 5 classes of drugs used for blood pressure I've used them all except beta blockers and I always had side effects or felt run down and shitty. I've found the key is low sodium diet, therapeutic self phlebotomy every 6-8 weeks, and keeping the mid section as slim and trim as possible, bringing the weight down just 10 pounds can help tremendously.

Also stay away from caffeine even low doses can spike bp.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Thanks. What’s your bp run now?

What potassium supplement and dose do u take? Did u find a difference? I drink a lot of coconut water and eat bananas which are high in potassium but was considering potassium supplement

I was put on diuretic but electrolytes dropped so I was taken off it. Now on a couple blood pressure meds(exforge and labetetol)

how long do you run the hgh?

thanks for your input

2 months ago i have even 190/100 ... then agter cardiologist putted me on 10mg perindopril + 5mg amlodipine ED, i reduced a lot aas (and now i m getting bigger results since i changed training and meal plans) , etc.. already wrote about that part..

I take 600mg KCl prolonged release tab once a week, because i m on 10mg Torasemide (diuretic) ED... and i need a Potassium supplement since i piss a lot of it..

today my bp is 130/85 and i m super happy..


I m running 3.3iu of a good generic HGH 6 days at week, on training days... re started running it 4 weeks ago when i restarted training etc etc.. i had quitted everything for 8 weeks and i was just on 150mg test weekly as TRT..

My estrogens are quite low... i take 25mg aromasin EOD and my aas stack is pretty small in comparison to what lot of guys use nowadays

 

[Millard]

Get a blood pressure monitor and keep a bp diary. Then you can tell us.

But most importantly, share it with your doctor so s/he can adjust your medication if necessary.

 

[malfeasance]

I’m 50 6’ 230 lbs. not as lean as I’d like to be. Not looking to bulk up.

As a guy in his fifties at a similar size, in my experience leaning up helps with blood pressure. Just my two cents.

It sucks to try to lean up when you want to eat (and drink) and lift heavy and get bigger, but getting lean does work.

Get your diet together and start the a.m. fasted cardio, increase the cardio over time and pull out fats and carbs as needed to keep progress going, and see how your blood pressure is in April.

 

[Cmillis]

Thanks frozen bomb
Be careful 190 is high for systolic. You don’t want to stroke out
My BP is 155/100 on 2 BP meds off cycle but that’s taking 200 mg Modafinil for my sleep apnea and two cups coffee. The caffeine raise my BP almost Immediately
How does your body look running low test and the hgh and how long do u plan on running hgh for?

thanks malfeasance
You bring up good points
Before I run cycle
1. I’d like to lose 15 lbs. when I get up to 240ish I can feel my BP in my vision blurry
2. Will start working cardio hard before and during cycle
3. Eliminate caffeine but not sure about Modafinil. I use bipap but still tired. Maybe test will help with tiredness but could aggravate sleep apnea
4. I need to work on my diet. Any good resources to help one understand macros and breakdown of protein carbs and fat?

once again thanks to everyone on this forum in helping each other. It’s like a small brotherhood

 

[malfeasance]

4. I need to work on my diet. Any good resources to help one understand macros and breakdown of protein carbs and fat?

Don't forget cardio, but yeah:




He gets to the whiteboard around 10:45

 

[malfeasance]

Another:

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Thanks frozen bomb
Be careful 190 is high for systolic. You don’t want to stroke out
My BP is 155/100 on 2 BP meds off cycle but that’s taking 200 mg Modafinil for my sleep apnea and two cups coffee. The caffeine raise my BP almost Immediately
How does your body look running low test and the hgh and how long do u plan on running hgh for?

thanks malfeasance
You bring up good points
Before I run cycle
1. I’d like to lose 15 lbs. when I get up to 240ish I can feel my BP in my vision blurry
2. Will start working cardio hard before and during cycle
3. Eliminate caffeine but not sure about Modafinil. I use bipap but still tired. Maybe test will help with tiredness but could aggravate sleep apnea
4. I need to work on my diet. Any good resources to help one understand macros and breakdown of protein carbs and fat?

once again thanks to everyone on this forum in helping each other. It’s like a small brotherhood

yeah when i had 190 cardiologist putted me on another bp drug and i quitted everything for 8 weeks (just 150mg test weekly)

when i was on trt at 150mg weekly i wasnt on hgh and wasnt neither eating nor training..

Now as stated i m on 600mg test e weekly and since i started a very hard push & pull training schedule with high volume 6 days/7 and changed meal plan, today i found i had reached my best shape...

I think i ll run HGH 6days/7 till i have any reason to stop it like something blood glucose related or bloating or something similar

 

[Cmillis]

Thanks for links to videos. Whiteboard is good intro into setting up diet.

 

[Cmillis]

Hi no gods no masters

how often do you do self phlebotomy and what volume do you remove?

 

[Soinder]

I have only been on Anastrozole for a couple of weeks, so it's hard to know yet. But my blood pressure was a bit higher than normal yesterday. I had had a stressful night before the appointment with... hoping that is all it was. It's disconcerting when you've always had very low blood pressure. From what I have read, all of the AIs can cause this unfortunate side effect. Did your doctor want to put you on blood pressure lowering meds?

 

[Puxxxylover]

I think there was a thread about blood pressure but i've been looking for it and I think it's been deleted...
If anyone can find it please share it.

 

[malfeasance]

Hi no gods no masters

how often do you do self phlebotomy and what volume do you remove?

I don't want to misquote him, but he removes a BUNCH.

I removed a pint a week until my hematocrit numbers were where I wanted them, and it did not take long at all.

 

[malfeasance]

I can suggest you to: stay on TRT at maybe 150mg WEeekly and run some good HGH...maybe 3.3iu fasted upon waking pre cardio while stayin fasted for a couple of hours then.. check your bp daily..

I have been on 150 mg weekly for 6 weeks (actually zero for a couple weeks and then 150 per week for 4 weeks).

Blood pressure is 132/70 just now.

So I am by coincidence already doing what you suggested on testosterone. Why do you suggest 3.3 iu hgh? I thought hgh increased water retention and blood pressure? Am I wrong about this?

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

I have been on 150 mg weekly for 6 weeks (actually zero for a couple weeks and then 150 per week for 4 weeks).

Blood pressure is 132/70 just now.

So I am by coincidence already doing what you suggested on testosterone. Why do you suggest 3.3 iu hgh? I thought hgh increased water retention and blood pressure? Am I wrong about this?

I suggested HGH because he was talking about deca anavar etc.. so since aas raise bp i thought that using HGH could mean less troubles..

cutting out salt has been fine for me... i take a diuretic almost ed and i supplement some potassium weekly..600mg KCl long release..

At 3iu, HGH alone if not shitty quality should not bring big water retention... bp should be monitored ed some times at day..

I bloated a lot last year with 5iu HGH daily and Insulin (Humulin R 2 times daily and Humalog post wo, and one week high dosage of Lantus weekly) so the bloating wasnt HGH fault since now im 4 weeks into 3.3iu of the same HGH without insulin, with lot of less carbs, salt, and with 1/3 of aas..


At the start of my 5th week after i lost lot of previous progress while quitting everything for more than 2 months.. now currently i m on a lean bulk..

On the left pic i was at 83kg i think before i started the previous cycle 3 months ago.

4 weeks ago i was like this, at 85kg
went from 85kg to 91.5kg in the last month





I m not bloated and even while i m not on that 10mg of Torasemide (diuretic)

last year i was on triple dosage of aas, quadruple dosage of carbs, almost double dosage of HGH and insulin, training was shitty.. and right now i have more muscle and i m so much leaner without bloating.. my ankles this time are perfect, last year were fuckin swollen..

so, i hope to being able to do 1 year with the same effort and dedication i putted on this month...

Anyway, op, i would talk to a thrustworthy medician, about a mild diuretic and so on..

obv if the HGH you use , even at 3iu gives you bloating, quit it... but i dont think 3iu can cause bloating unless its everything except HGH but just china crap