T-Lab
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eat as many "meals" as you like
Calories equated there is no difference.
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Intermittent Fasting - Links / Advice
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Calories equated there is no difference.
as far as..?
T-Lab
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I’ve never seen a study on proven any long term benefits of IF. If that exists I would love to read it and expand my knowledge on the subject. The last person who told me the same thing said “I’m not your mother go look it up yourself” and had zero scientific references. So until I see otherwise. I’ll look at it from the points that I’ve read to be studied and proven. Which is no fat loss or body composition advantage.
and if the benefits do extend beyond fat loss and body composition, and there is no difference... then?
sometimes its ok to not eat. it might even be good for you
T-Lab
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im not you mother
but the benefits extend beyond fat loss and body composition.
Is quoting your self supposed to be some kind of proof? Funny I can post a link up showing proof of what I stated about IF but anyone who claims other long term benefits has nothing.
JoeBlob12
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Here’s one study out of maybe 100 that I could’ve found. Intermittent fasting group ended with a 16% loss in body fat vs a 2.8% decrease in the standard 3 meals a day group. That’s just the fat loss.. also lower inflammation markers and higher hgh levels in the fasted group.
Effects of eight weeks of time-restricted feeding (16/8) on basal metabolism, maximal strength, body composition, inflammation, and cardiovascular risk factors in resistance-trained males | Journal of Translational Medicine | Full Text
The truth is.. you can find a study to support almost anything you want to believe. But recent science in the last 4-5 years is debunking the old science that says there’s no difference.
T-Lab
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Then why is the study I posted showing no difference from 2018.
JoeBlob12
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Good question.
no. but when i tried to multi quote it didn't come up.
i thought the highlight would be self explanatory.
that there were benefits to fasting, intermittent or otherwise, beyond body comp and gainz.
same with a "deload". a bulk/cut. yin/yang, on/off.
Conclusions
Our results suggest that an intermittent fasting program in which all calories are consumed in an 8-h window each day, in conjunction with resistance training, could improve some health-related biomarkers, decrease fat mass, and maintain muscle mass in resistance-trained males.
I've posted this before,
Carbs at Night: Fat loss killer or imaginary boogeyman? | Biolayne
"It may very well be that the beneficial effects of the diet in this study was more associated with limiting carb dosing (and insulin secretion) to a single bolus rather than spreading them throughout the day."
T-Lab
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Test and igf-1 decreased significantly no thanks.
mr_meanor
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Dr eric berg / Thomas Delauer / siim land / fledge fitness and even joe rogan all have good scientific based videos on youtube regarding intermittent fasting
mr_meanor
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Humans intermittently fasted for thousands of years to survive. It is only in the past century with the inventions of electricity and refrigeration combined with industry and technology that humans have had the luxury of eating all day every day. The human body was designed to run a certain way. Anyone saying intermittent fasting is a fad with no health benefits are just simply WRONG. There was literally a nobel peace prize won a few years ago on the studies of fasting and the newly discovered process of autophagy. The science is new but it is FACT. Is it optimal for muscle growth? Probably not. Is it healthy as fuck and even possibly have the ability of extending your quality of life? Abosfuckinglutely.
After 8 weeks, the 2 Way ANOVA (Time * Diet interaction) showed a decrease in fat mass in TRF compared to ND (p = 0.0448), while fat-free mass, muscle area of the arm and thigh, and maximal strength were maintained in both groups.
T-Lab
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Yes I read that part too. So lower test and igf-1 in order to lose a slight more amount of fat? I’ve never said intermittent fasting doesn’t work or has no benefits. But the study I posted was a 1 year trial so I think that overrules your little 8 week initial greater fat loss.
Humans also used to be a lot smaller. Men who walked around over 200 lbs lean were unheard of, it's sort of apples to oranges here IMO. Just a thought
mr_meanor
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Yes humans have absolutley evolved due to changes in diet and habit, I agree with this thought. But my thought would also be that for the average human it has not been a healthy evolution
