iFit Test Cyp + Deca Cycle

[franchise24]

Here is the information we need my man.

1. How many cycles have you done?

2. Are you planning on getting ore cycle blood work? If not... you need to.

3. When on cycle DO NOT take any AI until about 3-4 weeks in, get blood work, see where your e2 is at. If you need the AI, take a small dosage, run that for 2 weeks and then get more blood and see how the AI affected your blood. Adjust accordingly based off your pre cycle blood work.

4. Get post cycle blood after pct to see if everything has returned to normal if not, then you need to continue pct

5. I am assuming this is your first or second cycle, but THIS is the correct way to do. If you want to cruise fine, but if you want to come off and recover, that's fine too.

But to listen to a protocol parroted off every forum is NOT the way to do. You need to be getting blood to see exactly what you put in your OWN body is reacting to whatever you put in.

X2. Blood work is imperative when dealing with AAS. This will give you a baseline, help you understand what your body is doing while using AAS.

 

[SuperMaroid]

Here is the information we need my man.

1. How many cycles have you done?

2. Are you planning on getting ore cycle blood work? If not... you need to.

3. When on cycle DO NOT take any AI until about 3-4 weeks in, get blood work, see where your e2 is at. If you need the AI, take a small dosage, run that for 2 weeks and then get more blood and see how the AI affected your blood. Adjust accordingly based off your pre cycle blood work.

4. Get post cycle blood after pct to see if everything has returned to normal if not, then you need to continue pct

5. I am assuming this is your first or second cycle, but THIS is the correct way to do. If you want to cruise fine, but if you want to come off and recover, that's fine too.

But to listen to a protocol parroted off every forum is NOT the way to do. You need to be getting blood to see exactly what you put in your OWN body is reacting to whatever you put in.

Very true. I'm just giving out the general doses of a cycle. Everyone is different and reacts different.

For the most part 6.25-12.5mg ed of aromasin is good for 500mg of test a week in my experiences.

I think taking an AI at low dose is better than waiting for estrogen sides to start and then take it. Then your stuck getting letro or worse gyno surgery. I prefer to take precaution.

But for a first cycle to cruise on 100mg a week doesnt seem right. Why would you want to put yourself on trt, its like not even taking a cycle. Just keep to a simple test only cycle at 500mg. My 2 cents.

 

[ddp7]

Why would you want to do a cruising dose. I dont understand. Sounds like you need to do a lot more research before you begin.

What are your stats?

I played sports all my life,running,swimming,cycling.Weights from 6 - 7 years with moderate weights squats 40 - 80 kilos,no more. I have a lot of streght and resistance.No drink,no smoke,no drugs.Family history of low HDL.

I try to understand that terms and it sense,cruising,blasting,etc.
But are those the only terms?
Maybe I thinking in the wrong way but the dose issue is a non variable issue?

 

[SuperMaroid]

I played sports all my life,running,swimming,cycling.Weights from 6 - 7 years with moderate weights squats 40 - 80 kilos,no more. I have a lot of streght and resistance.No drink,no smoke,no drugs.Family history of low HDL.

I try to understand that terms and it sense,cruising,blasting,etc.
But are those the only terms?
Maybe I thinking in the wrong way but the dose issue is a non variable issue?

Its better to do 14 week cycles than cruising unless you have to stay on trt or are competing in bodybuilding.

The safest way is staying off as long as you stay on.

@Roger rabbit is 100% correct about AI. Only bloodwork can tell you exactly what you need to take. I just gave you a general guideline to a cycle and AI. Obviously anything could be changed.

 

[ddp7]

Here is the information we need my man.

1. How many cycles have you done?

2. Are you planning on getting ore cycle blood work? If not... you need to.

3. When on cycle DO NOT take any AI until about 3-4 weeks in, get blood work, see where your e2 is at. If you need the AI, take a small dosage, run that for 2 weeks and then get more blood and see how the AI affected your blood. Adjust accordingly based off your pre cycle blood work.

4. Get post cycle blood after pct to see if everything has returned to normal if not, then you need to continue pct

5. I am assuming this is your first or second cycle, but THIS is the correct way to do. If you want to cruise fine, but if you want to come off and recover, that's fine too.

But to listen to a protocol parroted off every forum is NOT the way to do. You need to be getting blood to see exactly what you put in your OWN body is reacting to whatever you put in.

Many thanks for the post man.

Well I have my baseline lab,no problem.

Im no made any cycle.I just tested some anavar,six intakes to check the drug.Nothing more.I did tamoxifen very low dose pct after that.Was two months in total of half shutdown because before I ran exemestane cycle two weeks,understand?
And ran sporadic exemestane to control mood swings.Nothing more.
The last thing that i did was took tamoxifen/exemestane three days because milk thistle gave me a terrible nipple pain.

 

[Roger rabbit]

Very true. I'm just giving out the general doses of a cycle. Everyone is different and reacts different.

For the most part 6.25-12.5mg ed of aromasin is good for 500mg of test a week in my experiences.

I think taking an AI at low dose is better than waiting for estrogen sides to start and then take it. Then your stuck getting letro or worse gyno surgery. I prefer to take precaution.

But for a first cycle to cruise on 100mg a week doesnt seem right. Why would you want to put yourself on trt, its like not even taking a cycle. Just keep to a simple test only cycle at 500mg. My 2 cents.

Higher levels of estrogen build muscles, that is why you want to pull bloods.

Of course no one wants gyno, but again, this is where blood comes in, you aren't going to form gyno in 3 weeks of a cyp cycle, the half life is just starting to build up. At this point it will be a good indicator of how your body is aromitizing.

The key word you said is, the AI protocol works for you, that is why you must be careful recommending what works for you.

Also, I don't know your history, but if you have never gotten bloods pre and mid cycle you might try it and see exactly what that AI is doing for you, you might be way too low and will find if you take less you will see more muscle growth. But, again perhaps you have gotten bloods and know exactly what to take at a certain mg testosterone, but the other member for sure hasn't, and that is the huge difference.

I agree with you on the cruise aspect. He probably doesn't need to cruise, but to each their own and depending on his age he might need trt and that could be the best route for him. But we aren't doctors and can't play that game, and he doesn't know if he needs trt because he hasn't pulled any blood or seen a doctor.

And understand, I am not trying to come at you sideways or put you down, I just want everyone to be safe and responsible[emoji106][emoji51][emoji106]

Edit: I just saw he pulled blood for base line.

 

[Roger rabbit]

I played sports all my life,running,swimming,cycling.Weights from 6 - 7 years with moderate weights squats 40 - 80 kilos,no more. I have a lot of streght and resistance.No drink,no smoke,no drugs.Family history of low HDL.

I try to understand that terms and it sense,cruising,blasting,etc.
But are those the only terms?
Maybe I thinking in the wrong way but the dose issue is a non variable issue?

Cruising is where you are bridging between cycles, basically you take a trt type dosing.

Blasting is where you increase Aas dosage for a certain period of time.

Pct is post cycle therapy.

Those are the most common terms and what they mean buddy

 

[ddp7]

Its better to do 14 week cycles than cruising unless you have to stay on trt or are competing in bodybuilding.

The safest way is staying off as long as you stay on.

@Roger rabbit is 100% correct about AI. Only bloodwork can tell you exactly what you need to take. I just gave you a general guideline to a cycle and AI. Obviously anything could be changed.

but iam a desktop rat,well my job is a desktop job; I figure that trt logic could be better to me,bottom line raise the lifequality

 

[Roger rabbit]

but iam a desktop rat,well my job is a desktop job; I figure that trt logic could be better to me,bottom line raise the lifequality

When you pulled your blood what was your total test siting at?

 

[ddp7]

When you pulled your blood what was your total test siting at?

Total Test sept 2016: 6.15 ng/ml

 

[ddp7]

Do you need the paper?

 

[Roger rabbit]

Do you need the paper?

Don't need the paper unless you just want to post it up my man.

 

[ddp7]

well i posted later but these guys tell that 600 levels is meaningless
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[Thegreek]

@rodger rabbit I know we spoke briefly about blood work and trust me I do understand the importance of it but there is also something to be said for physical feeling. Not to create a whole big post again but I'm on no anti E at all for a few weeks now and so far so good. No gyno. No sensitive nips. Overall well being and libido has improved after crashing with letro. Do you think the addition of 500 mast e could provide enough control over 500 test cyp 500 deca. All per week.

 

[ddp7]

@Roger rabbit I will post my baseline paperscan labs in my thread ddp7 log as soon as possible(more probably tomorrow).

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[Thegreek]

@rodger rabbit I know we spoke briefly about blood work and trust me I do understand the importance of it but there is also something to be said for physical feeling. Not to create a whole big post again but I'm on no anti E at all for a few weeks now and so far so good. No gyno. No sensitive nips. Overall well being and libido has improved after crashing with letro. Do you think the addition of 500 mast e could provide enough control over 500 test cyp 500 deca. All per week.

Fucked up on the handle
@Roger rabbit

 

[Roger rabbit]

Fucked up on the handle
@Roger rabbit

Yes I am a believer in mast helping to an extent in helping to control estrogen.

I am like you, I don't require ai, unless I am running something large like 900mg week of test, even then it is only like 1mg every two weeks of arimidex.

 

[SuperMaroid]

You guys are very lucky. Even when I cruise I have to run a very low AI. Nothing crazy usually 6.25 e3d to prevent any lumps.

Wish bloodwork was easier from where I am from but its about a 7 hour drive for me.

@Thegreek If you cant get bloods just be very alert for any estrogen related sides, and have an AI on hand.

@ddp7 If you plan on coming off eventually I wouldnt take the cruise approach. It will be much harder for your body to recover.

@Roger rabbit Wise words from Roger. I shouldnt recommend my protocol to anyone. But just be on the look out for any estrogen related sides. You dont want to wait until its too late.

 

[Roger rabbit]

Well said[emoji115][emoji115][emoji115]

I also agree that ddp should not cruise but rather cycle on and off.

Best of luck to everyone. [emoji51]and stay safe [emoji106]

 

[ddp7]

You guys are very lucky. Even when I cruise I have to run a very low AI. Nothing crazy usually 6.25 e3d to prevent any lumps.

Wish bloodwork was easier from where I am from but its about a 7 hour drive for me.

@Thegreek If you cant get bloods just be very alert for any estrogen related sides, and have an AI on hand.

@ddp7 If you plan on coming off eventually I wouldnt take the cruise approach. It will be much harder for your body to recover.

@Roger rabbit Wise words from Roger. I shouldnt recommend my protocol to anyone. But just be on the look out for any estrogen related sides. You dont want to wait until its too late.

thanks