Trump dismisses CIA report of hacking by Russia?

The point is that Intelligence services have said that the Russian Federation supported Trump by hacking the DNC and selectively releasing that information in order to sway the election. Now when have that screaming squirrel as a president.

Do you think that all information provided by U.S. intelligence services should be dismissed?

No, but intentional public releases should be viewed with extreme suspicion. Especially when there is overwhelming conflicting information that also happens to be politically inconvenient for current US policy.

I don't like Trump either, but don't mistake his enemies for your friends. They represent the largest most powerful collective of organizations on the planet. They are no one's friends.

On a side note, I would be very surprised if the Russian government DIDN'T hack one or more of the Wikileaks sources. As I understand it, the FBI found evidence of multiple foreign intrusions on Hillary's private email server. The hackers were lining up to get at Hillary's, err, stuff. Think basketball players and Madonna. Podesta was using Gmail of all things. How many MESO bros use Gmail for private business?

These people behaved like rank amateurs, and got burned for it. All their illegal activities exposed in documents easy to authenticate. Those documents showed they are guilty of doing exactly what they accuse Putin of doing, hacking our democracy.
 
9 times out of 10 I agree with you. The DNC and others made it easy. Podesta is a freaking moron. The guy had 10 years of emails. Neither of the candidates that ran for President were my choice. The only reason I voted was to do what I could to help defeat Trump. The SOB lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes. And true to form, he claims it is the greatest political defeat in US history.

My concern is that Trump has dismissed the intelligence agencies he will need to rely on to protect national security solely for political reasons. It doesn't fit his narrative. The guy doesn't even have daily intelligence briefings.
 
The Russians didn't have to hack anything major to get the information.

Let's not forget the private server that many countries said they got into from Hillary.

The facts are, it doesn't matter who hacked this information, the fact remains that the dnc got exposed for all the corruption and why doesn't that bother anyone? Why, all the sudden has everyone deflected this important topic into this not so important topic of who hacked what....


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9 times out of 10 I agree with you. The DNC and others made it easy. Podesta is a freaking moron. The guy had 10 years of emails. Neither of the candidates that ran for President were my choice. The only reason I voted was to do what I could to help defeat Trump. The SOB lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes. And true to form, he claims it is the greatest political defeat in US history.

My concern is that Trump has dismissed the intelligence agencies he will need to rely on to protect national security solely for political reasons. It doesn't fit his narrative. The guy doesn't even have daily intelligence briefings.

"to rely on to protect national security"??
Are you aware of the revelations concerning the CIA, DIA, DEA.... over the last 40 years or so?
 
"to rely on to protect national security"??
Are you aware of the revelations concerning the CIA, DIA, DEA.... over the last 40 years or so?
You are right, the United States doesn't need any intelligence services. The orangutan that you elected knows best. :(
 
No problem BP....I didn't vote. Never have. Never will. and If big brother makes you feel warm and cozy!.. thats fine....:)
 
No problem BP....I didn't vote. Never have. Never will. and If big brother makes you feel warm and cozy!.. thats fine....:)
No , my main concern is that I get my packs through customs. Ask anyone, I detest the government. I just detest Trump more than an std.
 
I hope you get them too. By the way thats another intelligence agency; customs!.. Didn't they get swallowed up the Heimatschutz?
 
CIA Claims Russia Intervened to Get Trump Elected


CIA Provides No Evidence, But Claims 'Consensus View'

by Jason Ditz, December 09, 2016

Unnamed officials are saying that the CIA has issued a secret assessment claiming that Russia not only intervened in last month’s US presidential election, but did so explicitly to get President-elect Donald Trump elected.

The report emerged just hours after President Obama was announced to have ordered a “full review” into the allegations Russia had attempted to interfere in the election, but takes the allegation much farther, as the limited statements from intelligence agencies on the matter had previously speculated that if Russia did do anything, it was to try to put the US election process in doubt, not to elect Trump.

The allegations that Russia was bent on getting Trump elected came primarily from the Clinton campaign, which tried to present Trump as a sort of Manchurian candidate, with Clinton herself going so far as to call Trump “Putin’s puppet” in the final presidential debate.

The CIA’s claims appear to dramatically undercut the rest of the government’s narrative, which includes a White House confirmation that there was no measurable increase in cyber activity around the election, nor any indication Russia had planned any malicious cyber activity for the US election.

That the allegations are coming out of the CIA at all is noteworthy, as the investigation into the allegations against Russia was carried out by the FBI, and all indications were that they had come up empty. With no evidence, the FBI was unwilling to issue any statements supporting the accusations.

The CIA offered no real evidence themselves, simply making some references to unnamed people involved in leaking data to WikiLeaks being somewhat close to the Russian government. WikiLeaks denied Russia was the source of the leaks long ago.

Indeed, that the CIA is not only suddenly involved, but suddenly at the forefront, may well reflect President-elect Trump’s stated policy intentions being far removed from those that the CIA has endorsed, and might be done with an eye toward undermining Trump’s position in those upcoming policy battles.

At the center of those Trump vs. CIA battles is Syria, as the CIA has for years pushed to move away from the ISIS war and toward imposing regime change in Syria. Trump, by contrast, has said he intends to end the CIA-Saudi program arming the Syrian rebels, and focus on fighting ISIS. Trump was even said to be seeking to coordinate anti-ISIS operations with Russia.

The CIA allegations could easily imperil that plan, as so long as the allegations remain part of the public discourse, evidence or not, anything Trump does with respect to Russia is going to have a black cloud hanging over it.

The Trump transition team issued a statement mocking the allegations, noting “these are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.” That’s indeed the case, though ominously these same people managed to drive American policy for years on end with those false allegations.

While the Obama Administration has insisted their own “full review” won’t change the outcome of the election, and indeed Obama aides suggested they won’t publicly release the results, the accusations seem set to last long after Trump’s inauguration, and have set the stage for a major battle between the next president and the CIA.
 
The weirdest thing about all this is the explicit admission, by the freaking president no less, that the US "democracy" is so fragile it is vulnerable to a few foreign hackers providing accurate information on crimes committed by one of the candidates. In other words, the current government is vulnerable to an informed public. Not that I didn't know that, but both Hillary and Obama came right out and said it.
 
The weirdest thing about all this is the explicit admission, by the freaking president no less, that the US "democracy" is so fragile it is vulnerable to a few foreign hackers providing accurate information on crimes committed by one of the candidates. In other words, the current government is vulnerable to an informed public. Not that I didn't know that, but both Hillary and Obama came right out and said it.

:D Their freakin out.....never thought I'd see the day when they'd come unglued!!!
 
:D Their freakin out.....never thought I'd see the day when they'd come unglued!!!

They are still pretty powerful and dangerous, and most of the world's powerful people are still backing them. And of course, millions of zombies who believe everything they see on TV or read in the NY Times.
 

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Looks like Trump has some backup from the FBI.

FBI Disputes CIA's "Fuzzy And Ambiguous" Claims That Russia Sought To Influence Presidential Election



"The bureau, true to its law enforcement roots, wants facts and tangible evidence to prove something beyond all reasonable doubt. The CIA is more comfortable drawing inferences from behavior."

Dec 12, 2016 9:44 AM

"The bureau, true to its law enforcement roots, wants facts and tangible evidence to prove something beyond all reasonable doubt. The CIA is more comfortable drawing inferences from behavior."
Dec 12, 2016 9:44 AM

Not going to get off center of the discussion , But this statement is pure bullshit! pardon my english. ( In regards to the FBI)
 
"The bureau, true to its law enforcement roots, wants facts and tangible evidence to prove something beyond all reasonable doubt. The CIA is more comfortable drawing inferences from behavior."
Dec 12, 2016 9:44 AM

Not going to get off center of the discussion , But this statement is pure bullshit! pardon my english. ( In regards to the FBI)

That was a quote from the Washington Post, not ZH.
 
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What's your point? They compiled information from multiple sites commenting on what the FBI said, including the Washington Post which as kawilt noted posted BS (as usual). But the Post also posted a video of some of the DC hacks commenting on the topic, whcih I found entertaining.
 
This seems to get the more cockamamie by the day...

Trump has to be pretty delusional in my opinion.
 
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