Ummmm, for brown rice it showed it contained amounts of all the amino acids in the list except
Hydroxyproline. Problem is, the list is only 18 amino acids and there happens to be 21 amino acids in total lol. Nice try. Better luck next time
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Ummmm, for brown rice it showed it contained amounts of all the amino acids in the list except
Hydroxyproline. Problem is, the list is only 18 amino acids and there happens to be 21 amino acids in total lol. Nice try. Better luck next time
It only lists 18 because because it is hard to differentiate between asparagine/aspartic acid and glutamine/glutamic acid, which I think differ only by a chemical bond or something. Hydroxyproline deals with collagen stability, which relates to protein, but idk about muscle building.Ummmm, for brown rice it showed it contained amounts of all the amino acids in the list except
Hydroxyproline. Problem is, the list is only 18 amino acids and there happens to be 21 amino acids in total lol. Nice try. Better luck next time
Since we are technically splitting atoms, I think plant sources suffice. I have not noticed any loss in muscle or muscle building since I have switched to this diet.
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Where did I ever say plant sources don't or can't suffice? I simply pointed out the error in the two statements. X
Because you said plant sources of protein are incomplete
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Which is true. I also said you could mix incomplete protein sources to get a complete amino acid profile. Which still doesn't mean that I said it can't suffice.
Maybe you think I'm trying to knock your diet or something? I'm not. I don't care what you do bc it doesn't affect me nor am I judging you based on your dietary decisions.
Bro it's not true, those sources had all the aminos listed minus one. Mixing will only improve the ratios of the amino acids.
I was just stressing my opinion that they are sufficient.
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Gosh your so mean
And listed was ONLY 18 amino acids when there are 21 and of which an EAA is missing. Do the math 18/= 21.....
From the Journal of Sports Science and Medicine, note the reference to complete and INCOMPLETE protein sources....
Traditionally, sources of dietary protein are seen as either being of animal or vegetable origin. Animal sources provide a complete source of protein (i.e. containing all essential amino acids), whereas vegetable sources generally lack one or more of the essential amino acids.
Protein – Which is Best?
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Well idk what to say about that because all 9 EAA are in brown rice, Hydroxyproline is not essential.
Anways, seems like you have some good research. What are you thoughts on protein intake?
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Brown rice isn't really known for its protein content...
I understand. I guess it's a good example as I think it is an exception to the rule.
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Wish I could give you some good vegan advice...but I don't really know anything about that
@Docd187123 and @Eman are full of good advice and knowledge.
Edit: The only vegans/vegetarians I've been exposed to are judgemental, PETA petting asshats. I'm sure not all are like that so you won't see any judgment of your lifestyle choice on my end.
Wish I could give you some good vegan advice...but I don't really know anything about that @Docd187123 and @Eman are full of good advice and knowledge. Edit: The only vegans/vegetarians I've been exposed to are judgemental, PETA petting asshats. I'm sure not all are like that so you won't see any judgment of your lifestyle choice on my end.
Yeah I'm not like that lol. Mainly do it for my healthWelcome to meso
Edit: The only vegans/vegetarians I've been exposed to are judgemental, PETA petting asshats. I'm sure not all are like that so you won't see any judgment of your lifestyle choice on my end.
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Cool bro. Lots of good info on here. Seems like their was another vegan on here maybe @Juced might be wrong on that could of been similar name idk
Let's ignore the incomplete and complete debate for now lol.
Thoughts on protein intake in terms of what exactly? Good sources? Optimal intake during a bulk? During a cut? Protein timing?
What do you think the optimal protein intake is during a bulk, and also, how does or how much can AAS effect intake levels?
Not sure if you'll be able to answer, but I would gladly appreciate your opinion.
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Hello all its rainy day in Bali so I have some downtime from surfing and adventure seeking.
@Docd187123 no need to get so scientific and technical. The whole incomplete-complete protein debate is actually quite simple and overthought by smarty pants like you
and the haters as well.COMPLETE PROTEINS
Quinoa
Buckwheat
Soy
Hempseed
Mycoprotein
Spirulina
Chia
Amaranth
Now when you take these proteins and add "Complementary" proteins you get complete proteins.
EXAMPLE:
Rice and beans = complete
Corn tortillas and beans = complete
Nut butters and wheat or multigrain bread = complete
Oatmeal and soymilk = complete
Seitan and tofu or soy sauce = complete
Bean soup and crackers = complete
Hummus and Pita = complete
Soba noodles and peanut sauce=complete
Tofu, Brown rice and kale = complete
Tempeh, Brown rice = complete
Quinoa and hempseed salad= complete
I could go on and on.
So basically combining most type of seeds, beans, or legumes with any type of grain you have a "complete protein".
As far as bulking or cutting goes it all comes down to your macros and complete caloric intake as with any other food.
When I'm bulking I drink very complete protein shakes sometimes three a day.
They are upwards of 1000 calories and 60 - 80 grams of protein a pop.
2 scoops of powder = 50 g
1 cup raw oats = 12 g
1/4 cup hemp seeds = 10 g
3 tbls nut butter = 12 g
1 banana = 3 g
Usually mixing a plant based soy free protein powder with soy protein powder as I'm already getting soy through other foods in my diet that I enjoy.
@Docd187123 made a great point as the body can only process a certain amount of protein, plant based or any other for that matter in one sitting. That's why I don't chug them down even though I'm tempted because they are delicious!
Instead I sip them all throughout the day. Which means taking them with me wherever I go.
It's honestly not as hard as people think to be vegan. I am also living in Colorado and I am lucky enough to have a plethora of awesome vegan restaurants and food trucks to choose from everyday.
People living in Idaho or Nebraska probably don't have these type of resources so they might have to be creative and just cook for themselves all the time which is probably healthier anyway. Oh I almost forgot to mention adding Bcaa's to this type of diet will instantly give you all the complete protein you need, but eating real food is better and more fun. I hope this helps and opens up the minds of those just stuck with the cave man mentality of meat and diary being superior. Morefyah..
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Hello all its rainy day in Bali so I have some downtime from surfing and adventure seeking.
@Docd187123 no need to get so scientific and technical. The whole incomplete-complete protein debate is actually quite simple and overthought by smarty pants like you
COMPLETE PROTEINS
Quinoa
Buckwheat
Soy
Hempseed
Mycoprotein
Spirulina
Chia
Amaranth
Now when you take these proteins and add "Complementary" proteins you get complete proteins.
EXAMPLE:
Rice and beans = complete
Corn tortillas and beans = complete
Nut butters and wheat or multigrain bread = complete
Oatmeal and soymilk = complete
Seitan and tofu or soy sauce = complete
Bean soup and crackers = complete
Hummus and Pita = complete
Soba noodles and peanut sauce=complete
Tofu, Brown rice and kale = complete
Tempeh, Brown rice = complete
Quinoa and hempseed salad= complete
I could go on and on.
So basically combining most type of seeds, beans, or legumes with any type of grain you have a "complete protein".
As far as bulking or cutting goes it all comes down to your macros and complete caloric intake as with any other food.
When I'm bulking I drink very complete protein shakes sometimes three a day.
They are upwards of 1000 calories and 60 - 80 grams of protein a pop.
2 scoops of powder = 50 g
1 cup raw oats = 12 g
1/4 cup hemp seeds = 10 g
3 tbls nut butter = 12 g
1 banana = 3 g
Usually mixing a plant based soy free protein powder with soy protein powder as I'm already getting soy through other foods in my diet that I enjoy.
@Docd187123 made a great point as the body can only process a certain amount of protein, plant based or any other for that matter in one sitting. That's why I don't chug them down even though I'm tempted because they are delicious!
Instead I sip them all throughout the day. Which means taking them with me wherever I go.
It's honestly not as hard as people think to be vegan. I am also living in Colorado and I am lucky enough to have a plethora of awesome vegan restaurants and food trucks to choose from everyday.
People living in Idaho or Nebraska probably don't have these type of resources so they might have to be creative and just cook for themselves all the time which is probably healthier anyway. Oh I almost forgot to mention adding Bcaa's to this type of diet will instantly give you all the complete protein you need, but eating real food is better and more fun. I hope this helps and opens up the minds of those just stuck with the cave man mentality of meat and diary being superior. Morefyah..
I agree with most of this except two points.
1) there is no maximum amount of protein the body can process in a sitting.
2) adding BCAAs to this diet is largely worthless bc incomplete proteins are lacking EAAs.
