IGF-1 LR3 Review... Labs included!

[Docd187123]

Interesting! I was talking to @muscle96ss and we were discussing how the true advantage of GH may be hyperplasia, rather than hypertrophy.... Thoughts?

The answer remains the same for the most part, look at Dr. Jim's response to RocoBama. It depends on the age, ie, post natal vs adult, will have different responses to igf1. Mind you I'm NOT saying igf-1 plays NO role In Anabolism bc it does help in signaling certain anabolic pathways but juicing up on igf1 as an adult has vastly different outcomes than someone much younger and it still doesn't mean it'll get you jacked.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Oh it's actually quite easy to prove using sonography, but I pity those who resort to such vain tactics to "look good", what a farce!

They are pitiful tactics

 

[Bare Bear Muscle]

Your comparing what they "said" about AAS almost FIFTY YEARS ago to what we KNOW about the effects of GH/IGF today, please!

The anabolic response of GH and IGF are synergistic yet "bros" continue to insist one is "better" when used in isolation.

That's like suggesting AAS are "more effective" than a high protein diet or exercise, utter nonsense.

the thing Dr.D put pics up said GH causes NO increase in muscle mass. most stuff says GH/IGF increases LBM but not muscle cuzz it makes you hold water.

examine BBers today with BBers from the 70s. 70s men popped huge gear doses and and ate a lot also. its fuccin stupid to say thaat GH doesnt maake bigger muscles. GH makes ALL organs bigger. i dont know about that nasty lr3 shit tho.

to ur other point, is gh even anabolic? i think its just a prohormone.

 

[Dr JIM]

And Doc D is correct IF one investigates the effects of GH/IGF on SKM hypertrophy in isolation, absent the synergistic influence of AAS and/or Slin.

The fact is GH and IGF alone or in combination pale in comparison to AAS as anabolic agents!

And to that end it can be difficult to differentiate the effects of GH/IGF as PEDs. That's to say are their "beneficial" effects on LBM, secondary to an overall reduction in TBF, distention of the cellular matrix or bonafied SKM hypertrophy.

I suspect all contribute in one way or another, some more than others, and have no difficulty with theorists splitting such hairs until their heart is content.

 

[Bare Bear Muscle]

Few of those on PED forums realize the FIRST HUMAN CLINICAL TRIAL that unequivocally proved AAS enhance muscle hypertrophy occurred in the EARLY 1990s and received such notoriety it was published in the NEJM!

wed have would be a better world without that trial. u try to get a doctor to give u some cyp and its like youre a pedo. test just helps me recover faster and viagra just lowers my BP

 

[Bare Bear Muscle]

yes maybe its not a big effect but igf causes cells to grow

 

[Bare Bear Muscle]

 

[Dr JIM]

For MANY GH/IGF have become number ONE on the novices new PED "I've got to try" list.

Few know how to run those AAS just purchased, have remedied the dietary issues that created a disproportionate TBF to LBM ratio, or have corrected their problem with EXERCISE.

But that's all OK, since many believe they have found a single drug, the perfect supplement (if you will) that can rectify it all.

So F .... changing all that lifestyle BS, bc GH allows one can eat like a pig and sit like one also!

But dam that shits "toooo expensive" no problem, generic GH is an Internet search away.

 

[Dr JIM]

And WHICH cells are those, Hmm!

 

[Docd187123]

the thing Dr.D put pics up said GH causes NO increase in muscle mass. most stuff says GH/IGF increases LBM but not muscle cuzz it makes you hold water.

examine BBers today with BBers from the 70s. 70s men popped huge gear doses and and ate a lot also. its fuccin stupid to say thaat GH doesnt maake bigger muscles. GH makes ALL organs bigger. i dont know about that nasty lr3 shit tho.

to ur other point, is gh even anabolic? i think its just a prohormone.

You say GH makes ALL organs bitter. Since when is skeletal muscle tissue an organ?

 

[Bare Bear Muscle]

?

you pedantic MFer.....

"a part of an organism that is typically self-contained and has a specific vital function, such as the heart or liver in humans."

you know what else is an organ??

deez nuts

 

[Docd187123]

you pedantic MFer.....

"a part of an organism that is typically self-contained and has a specific vital function, such as the heart or liver in humans."

you know what else is an organ??

deez nuts

You are right, muscles are organs but most of the rest of your argument is ridiculous and you took the bait. Thanks for playing