Mass and weight gainer supps.

Two scoops of pro of choice
= 250 cal- 50 g pro
Three tbls almond butter
= 300 cal- 12 g pro
One cup raw oats
= 320 cal- 14 g pro
One medium banana
=105 cals- 2.5 g pro
Half cup chocolate soy milk
=125 cals - 7 g pro

1000 cals
88.5 g - pro
Enough carbs where you don't need to eat fucking pop tarts!! o_O
They are rubbish....

Blend in blendtec for 40 sec and is completely liquidfied.
Usually drink two a day sometimes three.:D

Pop tarts > oats
 
Pro hormones, or do you mean designer AAS, bc their is a HUGE difference.

And the biggest difference is the designer AAS have not been studied and many folk got sick by using them.

Besides that supplement resale sites know all AAS users need high quality protein so why would they care about the sale of pro-hormones.

Fact is BB .com was charged and found guilty of selling or encouraging the sale of PH and had to pay a hefty fine.
I am talking about Dasca so yes pro hormones and designers. They are the ones killing our children!! :rolleyes:
With PH use people were dropping like flies, pretty much an instant death sentence.
But.....
No one has ever had medical issues from FDA approved AAS, lol...:rolleyes:
Nobody has ever had heart failure or liver and kidney failure from them because there safe the FDA says so and there are studies to back it up right!

The group of which I speak is CRN.
The good old council for responsible nutrition. With a name like that you know they have your back and are
looking out for your best interest. :rolleyes:
http://www.ifpinc.biz/ifp/

Whey isolates are expensive to make.
That's not where there making there money. It's all the herbal vitamins and crap that don't do shit but make your wallet lighter.

Why would they want you to use PH's and give these companies your money. Why would they want you to use something that actually works.
With the PH's out of the picture you are forced to to buy there shit!
Brilliant if you ask me.

Do doctors get kickbacks from these companies like they do with pharma?
Depends on what you consider a kickback.
 
Your missing the point those AAS that are FDA approved have indeed been studied and that's why we KNOW what the inherent risks are.

Yet NO SUCH STUDIES have been conducted on designer AAS or pro hormones.. And some unsuspecting fellas developed hepatic FAILURE as a result. Were there a lot of people dropping like flies nope, but I promise if you were one you would feel less compelled to support them or their use, especially as an unsuspecting lab rat lol!
 
Do Doctors get kick backs for Pharm NO THEY DO NOT and for you or anyone else to say they do shows how truly ignorant and misinformed bro propaganda parrot machine is!

If you contend they do, show me one shred of evidence supporting it and I'll show you a doc who was sanctioned as are the drug companies!

Such KICKBACKS ARE ILLEGAL, period!
 
Do Doctors get kick backs for Pharm NO THEY DO NOT and for you or anyone else to say they do shows how truly ignorant and misinformed bro propaganda parrot machine is!

If you contend they do, show me one shred of evidence supporting it and I'll show you a doc who was sanctioned as are the drug companies!

Such KICKBACKS ARE ILLEGAL, period!


Doesn't Big Pharma like Bayer and Pfizer pay for those Las Vegas Pharma convention weekends where they wine you and dine you ? That's what always heard , perks for the Docs . You've probably got your share to Dr.Jim....lol
 
Here is may list of my "kickbacks" in 20 years of practice; pens, pen lights, a dinner paid for by big Pharma here and there but only if your willing to listen to a biased speaker discuss the advantages of their drug, and free samples for patients who can not afford their prescribed meds.

After 2013 a law was passed which required big Pharma to report as income to the IRS any item of "substaintative monetary value".

Consequently few docs are willing to even consider "freebies" bc of the potential for IRS reprisal should something like a dinner not be reported.
 
Just bc something is illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It does happen and sometimes there is punishment and other times it gets swept under the carpet like with many other things.
 
Here is may list of my "kickbacks" in 20 years of practice; pens, pen lights, a dinner paid for by big Pharma here and there but only if your willing to listen to a biased speaker discuss the advantages of their drug, and free samples for patients who can not afford their prescribed meds.

After 2013 a law was passed which required big Pharma to report as income to the IRS any item of "substaintative monetary value".

Consequently few docs are willing to even consider "freebies" bc of the potential for IRS reprisal should something like a dinner not be reported.


Sorry you didn't get more from Big Pharma , got any Cipro or Levaquin/Avelox pens laying around ? Send them to me so I can break them (you know how I hate the FQ antibiotics) lol (joke)
 
Doesn't Big Pharma like Bayer and Pfizer pay for those Las Vegas Pharma convention weekends where they wine you and dine you ? That's what always heard , perks for the Docs . You've probably got your share to Dr.Jim....lol

Name one such convention? I want to know more, LMAO!

The answer to the question is THEY DO NOT. Big Pharma must pay for "booth areas' at these conventions to advertise their wares and most of those funds are used for the following:
!) The floor booth price

2) The reserved facility itself

3) Any food that may be served (although it's now not unusual to have to make an advanbce per/plate reservation that must be PAID FOR by someone. The latter varies considerably depending upon the who, what, when, where of the convention IME.

4) Alcohol availability varies by STATE LAW and for the majority we pay for alcohol except perhaps wine or beer and it's nothing to write home about IME

5) Used to increase the coffers of whichever "society" is FUNDING that meeting or convention, such as the AMA, ACEP, ACS etc (american college of emergency phys, american college of surgeons etc)

6) Heck I've attended two CME conventions in the past year one, in Costa Rica and the other in Vegas. The first was paid for by UT as a CME allowance of 2K annually yet having already consumed my CME allowance I paid for the whole shebang in Vegas.

Understand BIG PHARMA had nothing to do with either, yet doctors MUST have a certain number of CME credits annually!

While it's true the perks were high end to say the least as liitle as 10 years ago, the laws have changed considerably and if you find something to the contrary it's most likely BS or someone citing yesteryears "doctor party". (but i'll gladly review anything you or anyone else believes contradicts my comments mate)
 
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It's amazing how often I hear such nonsense really and most are simply parroting what the have heard or read somewhere else wo ever investigating it's validity. Now doesn't that sound familiar, same bat channel and bat verbiage, but different bat forum :)
 
The "HUFFINGTON POST" a well know left wing NEWSPAPER that twists and turns data to their liking, combining hospitals, doctors and other HCPs and referring to the adultered financial outcome as physician kickbacks is absolute garbage and one reason such nonsense continues to be propagated.

Why don't you try to legitimize your earlier comment and separate the physician kickbacks from perks that are common to EVERY profession. What accountants, attorneys, engineers etc don't have any free meals during their "meetings" lol?

I also have no doubt a considerable portion, if not all of this data, was obtained before 2013 when laws were passed that deemed "large perk" payments as not only unethical, but also must be reported to the IRS as income and in some instances flat out ILLEGAL!

But for some reason there are those that believe doctors make to much money and perks should be disallowed entirely!
 
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I just wanted to add. The only protein other than whey that I will occasionally impulse buy on a whim is syntha 6 chocolate peanut butter.. DELICIOUS!!
 
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