thinking about insulin!

[dajr225]

So for the last month I've been researching the shot out of insulin and talking to some guts above their experience with it. When you do proper research the idea of it isn't that scary. If I did do it, it would be for bulking, only for about 4 weeks as ab experiment. I'd only use it 2 to 3 times per week. Leg day and back day mainly. I'd also be doing a heave test and Deca cycle, and possibly growth. I know a lot of people will say it's pointless w/o growth, but the research I've done, and people I've talked to makes me believe otherwise. I mainly want to put size on my legs. My genetics are wierd, mu upper body is huge and grows like crazy, but my legs and ass are not proportionate with my upper body.

 

[Sworder]

So for the last month I've been researching the shot out of insulin and talking to some guts above their experience with it. When you do proper research the idea of it isn't that scary. If I did do it, it would be for bulking, only for about 4 weeks as ab experiment. I'd only use it 2 to 3 times per week. Leg day and back day mainly. I'd also be doing a heave test and Deca cycle, and possibly growth. I know a lot of people will say it's pointless w/o growth, but the research I've done, and people I've talked to makes me believe otherwise. I mainly want to put size on my legs. My genetics are wierd, mu upper body is huge and grows like crazy, but my legs and ass are not proportionate with my upper body.

Do as you wish!
I doubt you will notice much, keep glucose tabs with you at all times.

 

[Dr JIM]

Post this any of the articles from the "research you have done" bc what the research indicates is like GH, insulin is much more involved in preventing SKM breakdown (AKA anti catabolic) rather than an ANABOLIC HORMONE, unless perhaps supraphysiologic doses are used!

 

[DTdr2]

My genetics are wierd, mu upper body is huge and grows like crazy, but my legs and ass are not proportionate with my upper body.

OK, so what you're saying is you work your legs as hard as upper body, but that particular muscle group doesn't respond? So are you thinking you can build your legs by doing a shot of insulin, and that the upper body won't respond?

 

[Dr JIM]

Of course genetics can play a role and to that end how will any PED result in DISPROPORTIONATE growth of any body part?

Bc of their systemic distribution PEDs will effect ALL muscle groups equally.

There are many ways to improve one weaker points but a AA is not one of them per say.

Exercise the weaker points more vigorously and as the first muscle group is one way of improving that situation

However whenever I hear folk say X is my weaker point it's amazing how often that comment becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and they give up on their weaker muscle groups altogether.

For example I've often noted many people who have "weak legs" don't do squats or dead lifts. Duh!

 

[SDbronco]

I've heard that without growth insulin will only get you fat. Like really quickly too.

 

[dajr225]

No my legs look good, nice definition and separation. My legs stay super lean, I'm genetically a no ass smaller leg guy, calves barely grow, small ancles, knees etc. I plan on doing gh as well, I'll probably do grey tops @ 8iu per day, unless I could find a solid source for seros. This is something I'm gonna continue to do research on and ask questions about, that is what this forum is for right, so how bout cutting out the sarcasm, and let's have a discussion on this. This is something I'm looking into later down the road, but I want to learn as much as possible about the subject.

 

[dajr225]

Ps I love squats and deads. I DL 405 for 5 reps, and squat 375 for 5 reps. I do a heavy volume leg day and I do deadlifts on my shoulder day. I've been doing fst7 for the last month and my legs are responding pretty good.

 

[alphastrength50]

ive gotten significabtly leaner w insulin preworkout make sure u dise right tho i do about 6g carb per iu w slin shot pre then sip an i tra w bcaas and 5g carb per iu

 

[dajr225]

Thanks @alphastrength50
I've read some other threads where you spoke about insulin. If I do decide to try it out I'll start really low dosage with Humalog and take the suggestions of 6 to 10 g of fast acting carbs after shot, followed bye a clean meal of moderate carbs, moderate protein, and low fat around 1 to 2 hours after shot. Keep some glucose on hand at all times, and eat about every 2 hours for that 6 hour critical time frame after injecting. Are you taking Humalog or Humalin R?

 

[alphastrength50]

Thanks @alphastrength50
I've read some other threads where you spoke about insulin. If I do decide to try it out I'll start really low dosage with Humalog and take the suggestions of 6 to 10 g of fast acting carbs after shot, followed bye a clean meal of moderate carbs, moderate protein, and low fat around 1 to 2 hours after shot. Keep some glucose on hand at all times, and eat about every 2 hours for that 6 hour critical time frame after injecting. Are you taking Humalog or Humalin R?

im doing humulin r and love it my meal w the shotr clean carbs like rice or pasta then intraworkout is gatorade w bcaa as carb source

 

[biggerben69]

This is something I'm gonna continue to do research on and ask questions about, that is what this forum is for right, so how bout cutting out the sarcasm, and let's have a discussion on this.

C'mon. We all have different styles of writing and asking for special treatment by having guys change their unique style will more than likely get you some but not what you were hoping for.
It may also turn some off and you'll miss out on info you obviously don't have.
The grown up thing to do since you are the one taking center stage is to suck it up knowing the personalities here and read between the lines. The Doc has a wealth of info. The sarcasm you dislike and start to get twisted about tells me that there is something important about to be laid out. He sort of highlights things this way.
I have a hard time following everything he's saying but I know he's touching on something he feels is important.
Myself, I don't agree with the guys that say slin is too dangerous to use and its irresponsible to say so. I don't think it is....I know its not....for level headed responsible adults, that is. There is a board where slin isn't taboo. In fact some of the staff use it all the time. One of that boards staff is right here with us. I'm talking about UGBB. I don't know if doc uses personally cuz i don't remember but the admin and our friend, POB, uses it. They don't demonize DNP, either. I've always said that slin and dnp can be used safely and effectively. I don't talk about often because I pick my battles these days and I'm still fighting all the time.
OK, slin without GH can be used without getting fat. Like everything else in bodybuilding/powerlifting it depends on your diet. If not using GH and using slin I'd be using the monohydrate version of creatine.
If you can afford pharm gh then by all means use Slin as well as T4 because if you aren't you aren't getting your moneys worth. And while we're on it..you're talking about "heavy" testosterone. Take your highest dose that you've run test at double it. If its a gram make it 2 grams/ew. Get the most bang for your buck and test is cheap and still king. You won't have to deal with "moon face"(bloat) that would be present when running high test cuz of the GH. The T4 is gonna accelerate fat burning as well.
I guess what I'm saying, at the risk of being scolded by the OP is; Don't half ass it.

 

[Docd187123]

C'mon. We all have different styles of writing and asking for special treatment by having guys change their unique style will more than likely get you some but not what you were hoping for.
It may also turn some off and you'll miss out on info you obviously don't have.
The grown up thing to do since you are the one taking center stage is to suck it up knowing the personalities here and read between the lines. The Doc has a wealth of info. The sarcasm you dislike and start to get twisted about tells me that there is something important about to be laid out. He sort of highlights things this way.
I have a hard time following everything he's saying but I know he's touching on something he feels is important.
Myself, I don't agree with the guys that say slin is too dangerous to use and its irresponsible to say so. I don't think it is....I know its not....for level headed responsible adults, that is. There is a board where slin isn't taboo. In fact some of the staff use it all the time. One of that boards staff is right here with us. I'm talking about UGBB. I don't know if doc uses personally cuz i don't remember but the admin and our friend, POB, uses it. They don't demonize DNP, either. I've always said that slin and dnp can be used safely and effectively. I don't talk about often because I pick my battles these days and I'm still fighting all the time.
OK, slin without GH can be used without getting fat. Like everything else in bodybuilding/powerlifting it depends on your diet. If not using GH and using slin I'd be using the monohydrate version of creatine.
If you can afford pharm gh then by all means use Slin as well as T4 because if you aren't you aren't getting your moneys worth. And while we're on it..you're talking about "heavy" testosterone. Take your highest dose that you've run test at double it. If its a gram make it 2 grams/ew. Get the most bang for your buck and test is cheap and still king. You won't have to deal with "moon face"(bloat) that would be present when running high test cuz of the GH. The T4 is gonna accelerate fat burning as well.
I guess what I'm saying, at the risk of being scolded by the OP is; Don't half ass it.

I do not use insulin Ben. It really doesn't offer much to powerlifters besides adding mass and weight if someone wants to move uo a weight class or something. It doesn't do anything for strength really which is my main goal. POB and Mugz have both used it and have had success with it like you said.

 

[Galileo]

Of course genetics can play a role and to that end how will any PED result in DISPROPORTIONATE growth of any body part?

Bc of their systemic distribution PEDs will effect ALL muscle groups equally.

There are many ways to improve one weaker points but a AA is not one of them per say.

Exercise the weaker points more vigorously and as the first muscle group is one way of improving that situation

However whenever I hear folk say X is my weaker point it's amazing how often that comment becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and they give up on their weaker muscle groups altogether.

For example I've often noted many people who have "weak legs" don't do squats or dead lifts. Duh!

Are there not bodyparts with more androgen receptors than others? I've seen guys whose delts, trapezius and pectorals/upper back blow up immediately on AAS and significantly - atleast seemingly - respond more than other bodyparts, and I am not talking about guys who only work their beach muscles.

 

[Docd187123]

Are there not bodyparts with more androgen receptors than others? I've seen guys whose delts, trapezius and pectorals/upper back blow up immediately on AAS and significantly - atleast seemingly - respond more than other bodyparts, and I am not talking about guys who only work their beach muscles.

There's more to that then just androgen receptors n

 

[dajr225]

My legs are strong, and my quads and hams have some decent size to them. I'm about 18% bf right now 6' 225 lb. I literally hold all my bf in my lower stomach and lower back. My legs look like 10% bf. It's been over 2 years since I've really cut down to 12% bf or lower, and I've never done it on aas. I'm getting my diet under control now and I'll try to go to about 12 % and then do a slow bulk. I'm more worried about putting on size right now and don't mind holding a little extra bf. I feel like if I get to low bf I'll look a little more proportionate.

 

[Sworder]

There's more to that then just androgen receptors n

Like what?

 

[Docd187123]

Like what?

A person can actively takes steps in their training to prioritize a specific body part ala frequency, volume, intensity, TUT, etc

 

[Sworder]

A person can actively takes steps in their training to prioritize a specific body part ala frequency, volume, intensity, TUT, etc

That's not what the question was, for me example. Why do my traps & shoulders grow so fast but not my arms.
slow-fast twitch comes into this too just curious to see what you were referring to.

 

[Docd187123]

That's not what the question was, for me example. Why do my traps & shoulders grow so fast but not my arms.
slow-fast twitch comes into this too just curious to see what you were referring to.

It does answer the question but it's not the only answer.