bcaa

[Docd187123]

what is a "realistic" amount of creatine? what happens when "supplement"?
what are the body's needs for bcaas? what happens when you supplement?

3-5g of creatine supplemented daily is enough to saturate muscle tissue with creatine and see optimal benefits orividing you're a creatine responder. To get that through diet you'd need several pounds of beef daily. Not realistic for most ppl. When you saturate muscle with creatine it allows ADP to be converted back to apt much easier since the stored creatine gives off a phosphate group to adp to make ATP.

The body's needs for BCAAs is whatever it makes if you don't get any from your diet which is unlikely if you're eating complete protein sources. What happens when you supplement: it could help build muscle or it can do nothing but drain your wallet bc again most ppl get plenty through diet alone.

 

[Docd187123]

please, don't talk to me like im an idiot. you just made up some numbers.
it may be in fact, that's its beyind my understanding of human nutrition. ill try reading the experts thiughts , and picking up some nutrional texts. cals in and out, is as simple as it gets.

I'm not talking to you like an idiot and I did make up some numbers but they're not that far off to be unbelievable. It is as simple as it gets and everything else is either fluff/icing on the cake or irrelevant.

 

[Dr JIM]

so theres no need to specifically supplement, idk... say, creatine. primarily bc your body makes it. why would a quality aa supplement, assuming you mean amino acid, be fine, but not a bcaa supplement. maybe an eaa, essential amino acid, supplement would be better. because your body doesn't make them.
either way I don't use a bcaa supplement. theyre too expensive, and I haven't read enough evidence to justify that expense. maybe if youre protein intake is low. but yes, whole food protein like meat or eggs contain a good amount of bcaas. so do most whey protein powders. and youre right, there is NO NEED. that's why theyre supplements... to a healthy diet .

That's exactly why supplements are of little proven benefit.

The same is also true for creatinine and for the same reason the body makes it. Now is creatine going to make a difference for someone on AAS, I doubt that very much.

Supplement manufactures would rather us all believe the healthy diet MANY BB adhere to is not adequate when in fact it should be. But for those less adept in BB diet I'm an adamant supporter of eAA supplementation, as my post indicated.

Nonetheless I still believe there is SOME benefits o be had by adding a good AA supplement but PROVING anything more than 30gms / day is any more helpful than 100gms / day is another matter.

But with regard to folk taking horse pills containing BCAAs, it's just more supplement propaganda, bc the body does in fact make those EAAs providing their substrates are available such as Lucien and Valiene

AND all of the EAAs are available in any number of MEATS from fish to chicken and steak.

 

[DTdr2]

And...

Vitamin supplements can increase risk of cancer and heart disease

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...s-increase-risk-cancer-heart-disease-research

 

[Dr JIM]

And...

Vitamin supplements can increase risk of cancer and heart disease

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...s-increase-risk-cancer-heart-disease-research

Studies and or reports of this nature although worth a look see should be taken with a grain of salt, IMO (especially when the article itself is not posted but rather someone else's synopsis)

Primarily bc there are far to many variables that must be controlled (yet are not) to establish a cause and effect relationship.

 

[FuriousWO]

The bottom line is the body makes, if you eat enough whole food and get enough natural proteins, BCAA's so supplementation is not needed? Is this the take away?

 

[Ach3r0n]

The bottom line is the body makes, if you eat enough whole food and get enough natural proteins, BCAA's so supplementation is not needed? Is this the take away?

Yes; that is what the independent, empirical research indicates.

 

[Ozzy619]

The bottom line is the body makes, if you eat enough whole food and get enough natural proteins, BCAA's so supplementation is not needed? Is this the take away?

My opinion is that people over think and over complicate diet. I dont take bcaas, creatine or much of any supplements because I see them as a waste and never notice a difference. I do however take whey and a preworkout with citruline malate and do notice a difference. If you take a whey protein youre getting all of your essential amino acids.

 

[Dr JIM]

The bottom line is the body makes, if you eat enough whole food and get enough natural proteins, BCAA's so supplementation is not needed? Is this the take away?

Oh but as the saying goes, Dr JIM; "everyone is different" bla, bla, bla, NOT!

BB are indeed different, however I am NOT referring to genetic alterations, but bc of the fact many are using AAS or a variety of other PED's that enhance PS.

Sure the accelerated anabolism places a higher demand on the presence of those substrates required for PS but what supplement manufactures rarely mention is, negative feedback mechanisms are intrinsic to almost all PS enzymatic pathways.

Now what does that mean. Pure and simple, if you don't use it you lose it!

In this instance I'm emphasizing the fact Amino Acid synthetic pathways are deliberately designed to PREVENT the accumulation the end product AA.

That's bc once again MORE is NOT ALWAYS BETTER and in this case can cause disease, such as: Phenylketonuria, Homocystinuria, Tyrosinemia and Maple Syrup Urine disease, the latter is due to the accumulation of Branched Chain Amino Acids specifically, (to name a few).

Ergo whenever AA, BCAA (in this instance) are ingested their endogenous production will simply decline and vice versa. Thus supplementation that exceeds the enzymatic threshold or metabolic need, will result in a diversion of pre-existing substrate (such Lucine that could be used to form IsoLucine) to form a fatty acid, as a precursor for another AA or if possible the formation of glucose. Yet excess BCAA just won't hang around in sera awaiting their calling.

So really in many ways what some guys end up doing, is forming nothing more than expensive urine when most "supplements" are used, or develop toxic side effects bc of hypervitiminosis.

Again I'm all for using a high quality AA "shake" which by definition (mine) should contain whey isolates, concentrates, aggregates OR egg albumin. Obviously ALL the EAA, yet especially Lucine, should be included.

I like AA shakes bc they are relatively cheap, effective, CONVENIENT, bioavailable, are literature supported, and readily ensures adequate amounts of ESSENTIAL AA are ingested on a regular basis.

SO ARE THOSE HORSE PILL SIZED BCAA's worth the cost or the difficulty associated with swallowing them? Not in my book (The same applies for most other "supps" specifically targeted at BB, imo)

 

[DTdr2]

if you eat enough whole food and get enough natural proteins

I think this hits the nail on the head, diet. How many people know what they're eating, and thus feel they need to supplement their diet. Outside of BB'g, the avg person goes to a buffet and then looks for that feel good feeling by taking a plethora of "healthy" supplements. "Yes, super size that triple meat with cheese, and give a "diet" coke [emoji15]

 

[ergomaniac]

I'm not talking to you like an idiot and I did make up some numbers but they're not that far off to be unbelievable. It is as simple as it gets and everything else is either fluff/icing on the cake or irrelevant.

its all good I guess, but you were kind of talking like that. you made up some numbers, and when I commented, you suggested it might be beyond my comprehension of human nutrition and that I should read medline, pubmed, experts thoughts and/or nutritional texts, which i do. you then asked if an adjustment to your made up numbers would have made it easier, or harder. how cute. all the while unknowingly conceding that calories in/out may me as little as 80%, or at most 96.5% of the equation. so thank you . it is the icing on the cake. I like cream cheese icing, on cheese cake. how about you .

 

[ergomaniac]

But with regard to folk taking horse pills containing BCAAs, it's just more supplement propaganda, bc the body does in fact make those EAAs providing their substrates are available such as Lucien and Valiene
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you posts here are a bit confusing. the body doesn't make EAAs. theyre essential through the diet. BCAAs are essential amino acids, and the body doesn't make them from leucine or valine, because they are already BCAAs.

 

[Docd187123]

its all good I guess, but you were kind of talking like that. you made up some numbers, and when I commented, you suggested it might be beyond my comprehension of human nutrition and that I should read medline, pubmed, experts thoughts and/or nutritional texts, which i do. you then asked if an adjustment to your made up numbers would have made it easier, or harder. how cute. all the while unknowingly conceding that calories in/out may me as little as 80%, or at most 96.5% of the equation. so thank you . it is the icing on the cake. I like cream cheese icing, on cheese cake. how about you .

I hate ch**se with a passion reserved for my worst enemies. I'd rather do shots of bleach than eat it lol

 

[TheNewSal]

I like cheesecake. LoL

 

[racerfreed]

I understand that bcaa's arent necessary if your eating correctly. But ive found a flavored powder that tastes pretty good. Is there anything negative about drinking it all day? Its supposed to be a intra workout drink. Like it better then mio flavoring.

2:1:1
Leucine, isoleucine, valine
Plus 2.5g of glutamine and a electrolyte blend.

 

[Docd187123]

I understand that bcaa's arent necessary if your eating correctly. But ive found a flavored powder that tastes pretty good. Is there anything negative about drinking it all day? Its supposed to be a intra workout drink. Like it better then mio flavoring.

2:1:1
Leucine, isoleucine, valine
Plus 2.5g of glutamine and a electrolyte blend.

There's some research showing that eating protein too frequently can blunt the anabolic response to protein. Whether this involves larger protein meals like 20g or more or less like wih BCAAs all day idk but maybe try crystal light for flavoring water?

 

[Dr JIM]

Is there anything positive about SPENDING MONEY on a product with limited or no benefit to those using it?

I think NOT, but hey it's your money!

 

[MythotiK]

Is there anything positive about SPENDING MONEY on a product with limited or no benefit to those using it?

I think NOT, but hey it's your money!

But the guy at GNC swears by it!!

 

[decepticon]

There's some research showing that eating protein too frequently can blunt the anabolic response to protein. Whether this involves larger protein meals like 20g or more or less like wih BCAAs all day idk but maybe try crystal light for flavoring water?

So you're saying there is research on how eating too big of a protein meal wouldn't be beneficial? Can you please post this report or reports for others like my self to evaluate?

 

[Docd187123]

So you're saying there is research on how eating too big of a protein meal wouldn't be beneficial? Can you please post this report or reports for others like my self to evaluate?

No that's not what I said. What I said was taking in protein too frequently could blunt the anabolic response to protein. I have to find it but Layne Norton saw this in his research on protein.