You ever go through a phase where you purposely stop training abs??

[Dw725]

If your squat and deadlift are in the 2.5 - 3 x bodyweight range, I promise you get all the ab work you need.

 

[Dw725]

All bullshit. You linked a study with bosu balls and doing squats on them with 50% then stable ground with 50% and 75% and it basically says that being on the bosu ball doesn’t make much of a difference. Ahhh duh could have saved some money if you put 12 highly trained athletes and give them 50% weight they don’t require 100% concentration regardless of conditions. You can give me 50% of my 1rm and I’ll probably use about 10-15% too. Also where are you getting that 10 sets of direct ab work is required a week for MINIMUM EFFECTIVE VOLUME, ha such a fact is laughable because what if I do 10 sets of 1 rep for my abs and nothing else it won’t do anything. If you properly brace for posture all day walking sitting and don’t be lazy about it that in itself is enough to build abs with diet in accordance to muscle building but then you throw on top of that bracing using 2-3.5x body weight and having to control that woooo now we are talking bullit proof abs.

Further point for anyone who’s interested, abs aren’t meant to roll your body forward in a crunch matter they are designed to resist such movements so train them for resistance not by squeezing the shit out of them repeatedly.

Haven't seen you around Rodger, I must be hanging around the wrong places. Good to see you still dropping knowledge.

 

[barneys]

I never train abs directly lol

 

[RodgerThat]

Haven't seen you around Rodger, I must be hanging around the wrong places. Good to see you still dropping knowledge.

I’m 99% lurk now as it’s been a while since I got to lift enhanced but I appreciate the ol meso fam and wouldn’t leave for good. If not for the entertainment factor alone but there’s a handful of guys here I’m friends with outside now and I feel out of the loop if I’m away too long

 

[bama_barbell1014]

With MEV and other training landmarks you have to figure on a few rules like 8-20 reps set, training within 60-80% rm and I think like 6-9rpe.

Abs are pretty much the only muscle group that have a 0 MEV, as far as I know.

Alittle off topic but using this same methodology, what is the MEV for calves?

 

[Eman]

Alittle off topic but using this same methodology, what is the MEV for calves?

About 8 working sets per week

 

[bama_barbell1014]

About 8 working sets per week

What% 1rm is better for calf growth? More reps or more weight? And 1 to 4 reps away from failure? Or should every set be to complete failure?

Ive heard alot of different things, just want ur opinion

 

[Eman]

What% 1rm is better for calf growth? More reps or more weight? And 1 to 4 reps away from failure? Or should every set be to complete failure?

Ive heard alot of different things, just want ur opinion

I believe in variation... So anywhere from 60%-80%. Remember, I said MEV is 8 sets so that's just the minimum... You can hit anything up to like 20 sets before recovery is going to start coming into the equation. MRV is the acronym for that I think.

With that said, I don't do a ton of calf training and don't have strong opinions on them. The squats, leg presses, farmers walks, etc I do maintain what I have enough and I probably only barely hit the MEV just because it's not a huge focus for me... I have really tight calves that affect ankle mobility so I don't like doing too much to make them too tight. Much like abs, if you train them enough you will eventually be able to maintain what you already have.

 

[bama_barbell1014]

I believe in variation... So anywhere from 60%-80%. Remember, I said MEV is 8 sets so that's just the minimum... You can hit anything up to like 20 sets before recovery is going to start coming into the equation. MRV is the acronym for that I think.

With that said, I don't do a ton of calf training and don't have strong opinions on them. The squats, leg presses, farmers walks, etc I do maintain what I have enough and I probably only barely hit the MEV just because it's not a huge focus for me... I have really tight calves that affect ankle mobility so I don't like doing too much to make them too tight. Much like abs, if you train them enough you will eventually be able to maintain what you already have.

Cool. The only reason Im really focusing on calves is because I havent as much in the past, and with bad calf genetics, it's starting to look worse as my quads get bigger.

 

[Uttukuxul]

I hate training abs. But I also hate myself sometimes. So when I really hate myself, I train abs just to piss myself off. Fuck abs and fuck me.

 

[Inquiring Mind]

So I started thinking of how most guys get larger trunks/abs once they get into late 30's and beyond. I decided to take awhile off training them altogether and just focus on squeezing during other movements and dieting harder.

At least for a little while to avoid an overly large trunk area. Anyone else ever do this from time to time?

I want to address this on two points. 1. We need to “train” abs routinely to some extent. We don’t want a weak core or distention. A week core can be detrimental to our long term health, especially when lifting heavy or even moderate weight is concerned.
2. ABs are muscle just like any other muscle, so when guys or gals incorporate weights into their Ab work, they will have hypertrophy.

Everyone has an a, how prominent they appear depends completely on the amount of fat surrounding the belly surface. In addition, men have a much higher concentration of
visceral or organ fat.

Ultimately, one have to become aware of their body type, how they metabolize food (how quick to store va burn), and their over all body composition. Based on this information one can make a better decision how to approach their adds.
I personally do mostly core work that rarely ever requires including additional weights. I want tight long held contraction that support a flat stomach and a very strong core! My 6 pack, at this point, is that much more directly affected by my diet.