yall watching the veep debate?

[Vicious cycle]

everyone is entitled to their opinion, so here's mine ... kerry cant get it done, he is all talk. better yet, if kerry was elected and something happens to him do you trust in edwards to fill in. there is more to look at behind the scenes. imho, bush/cheney will get 4 more years and i hope my vote gets them there. the US will adapt and overcome any obstacle, we have in the past and we will continue to do so.

I wonder if the Romans thought the same thing. Right before they were crushed by the barbarians of the east?

You are correct though, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Rep for you.

 

[Quasimoto]

Y'all may think that Kerry cant get it done, but we all know for sure that GWB cant and won't . Thats not opinion..that a matter of record . Bush has again failed his country when we needed him most.

 

[thundergod]

I had a chance to watch most of the debate. Edwards reminded me of one of those preachers on tv begging for money. I think this country needs a president and vice president with a spine and a set of balls as big as church bells. Looks like I'll be voting for Bush.

 

[esco]

I wonder if the Romans thought the same thing. Right before they were crushed by the barbarians of the east?

You are correct though, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Rep for you.

lol! well nothings full proof.

also right now is such a bad time for elections in general ... vc, do you support kerry or just more anti-bush, even though you are a republican? i personally am an independent but i have been in favor of the republicans more times then less. i do think what you posted originally was a good post, many valid points ... between your post, quasi, jbiggs, windingo & even frosty ... we get some debates going.

 

[Quasimoto]

No wonder the vast majority of military people want Bush re-elected.

I dont personally know 1 ex military person that wants him re-elected bro. I am 100% serious, not 1. I work in an office full of ex-mil's too. I just cant get behind this guy. I dont like Kerry either, but damn...bush makes me ill.

 

[jbiggs]

I dont personally know 1 ex military person that wants him re-elected bro. I am 100% serious, not 1. I work in an office full of ex-mil's too. I just cant get behind this guy. I dont like Kerry either, but damn...bush makes me ill.

Every state has a VETS for Bush chapter. There is also of course a VETS for Kerry chapter also. In almost all states the W chapter is bigger. Quasi you have to bear in mind the state you live in. Oregon is a very Liberal and pro-kerry state.

 

[jbiggs]

I saw it! "I did not link Iraq and 9/11" "I link Iraq and 9/11" NOW WHOS THE FLIP FLOPPER DICKEY BOY!

Just so you understand what was actually said, not the spin your using...

VICE PRES. CHENEY: Tim, we can do what we have to do to prevail in this conflict. Failures not an option. And go back again and think about whats involved here. This is not just about Iraq or just about the difficulties we might encounter in any one part of the country in terms of restoring security and stability. This is about a continuing operation on the war on terror. And its very, very important we get it right. If were successful in Iraq, if we can stand up a good representative government in Iraq, that secures the region so that it never again becomes a threat to its neighbors or to the United States, so its not pursuing weapons of mass destruction, so that its not a safe haven for terrorists, now we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11. They understand whats at stake here. Thats one of the reasons theyre putting up as much of a struggle as they have, is because they know if we succeed here, that thats going to strike a major blow at their capabilities.

MR. RUSSERT: So the resistance in Iraq is coming from those who were responsible for 9/11?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: No, I was careful not to say that. With respect to 9/11, 9/11, as I said at the beginning of the show, changed everything. And one of the things it changed is we recognized that time was not on our side, that in this part of the world, in particular, given the problems weve encountered in Afghanistan, which forced us to go in and take action there, as well as in Iraq, that we, in fact, had to move on it. The relevance for 9/11 is that what 9/11 marked was the beginning of a struggle in which the terrorists come at us and strike us here on our home territory. And its a global operation. It doesnt know national boundaries or national borders.

It is true that on more than one occassion, Dick Cheney has answered questions about a possible connection between Iraq and 9/11 by saying that there is some evidence, but nothing that has been authenticated or that has proved any connection. This Meet the Press statement does not say Iraq or Saddam was connected to 9/11. It says Iraq is at the heart of the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11. For those in the MSM who are so blinded by their hatred of Dick Cheney that they cannot comprehend such a clear and simple statement, I will help you. The geographic base referred to is the Middle East, and (newsflash) that is where the terrorists, including the 9/11 hijackers, have originated. Iraq is located in the heart of the Middle East. Is that clear enough?

There was never any suggestion by anyone in the administration that the War in Iraq was retribution for 9/11. It was stated many times, however, and rightly so, that the Iraq War had EVERYTHING to do with 9/11. As I have said many times, Iraq was not about 9/11/2001 as much as it was about a potential 9/11/2005 or 2006 or 2007 and about us not failing to connect the dots and ignore those in the world who have shown themselves by their words and deeds to be threats to the security of the U.S. Is that really such a hard concept for those in the Old Media to grasp?

For a transcript of the actual interview...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3080244/

 

[Kayz]

Just so you understand what was actually said, not the spin your using...

VICE PRES. CHENEY: Tim, we can do what we have to do to prevail in this conflict. Failures not an option. And go back again and think about whats involved here. This is not just about Iraq or just about the difficulties we might encounter in any one part of the country in terms of restoring security and stability. This is about a continuing operation on the war on terror. And its very, very important we get it right. If were successful in Iraq, if we can stand up a good representative government in Iraq, that secures the region so that it never again becomes a threat to its neighbors or to the United States, so its not pursuing weapons of mass destruction, so that its not a safe haven for terrorists, now we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11. They understand whats at stake here. Thats one of the reasons theyre putting up as much of a struggle as they have, is because they know if we succeed here, that thats going to strike a major blow at their capabilities.

MR. RUSSERT: So the resistance in Iraq is coming from those who were responsible for 9/11?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: No, I was careful not to say that. With respect to 9/11, 9/11, as I said at the beginning of the show, changed everything. And one of the things it changed is we recognized that time was not on our side, that in this part of the world, in particular, given the problems weve encountered in Afghanistan, which forced us to go in and take action there, as well as in Iraq, that we, in fact, had to move on it. The relevance for 9/11 is that what 9/11 marked was the beginning of a struggle in which the terrorists come at us and strike us here on our home territory. And its a global operation. It doesnt know national boundaries or national borders.

It is true that on more than one occassion, Dick Cheney has answered questions about a possible connection between Iraq and 9/11 by saying that there is some evidence, but nothing that has been authenticated or that has proved any connection. This Meet the Press statement does not say Iraq or Saddam was connected to 9/11. It says Iraq is at the heart of the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11. For those in the MSM who are so blinded by their hatred of Dick Cheney that they cannot comprehend such a clear and simple statement, I will help you. The geographic base referred to is the Middle East, and (newsflash) that is where the terrorists, including the 9/11 hijackers, have originated. Iraq is located in the heart of the Middle East. Is that clear enough?

There was never any suggestion by anyone in the administration that the War in Iraq was retribution for 9/11. It was stated many times, however, and rightly so, that the Iraq War had EVERYTHING to do with 9/11. As I have said many times, Iraq was not about 9/11/2001 as much as it was about a potential 9/11/2005 or 2006 or 2007 and about us not failing to connect the dots and ignore those in the world who have shown themselves by their words and deeds to be threats to the security of the U.S. Is that really such a hard concept for those in the Old Media to grasp?

For a transcript of the actual interview...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3080244/

Jbiggs, thank you for posting that transcript. I have been hearing that out of context soundbite everyday on the radio......

Rush was talking about this today and he brought up Cheney's interview with Russert and exactly what was said.

Thanx bro.

 

[Quasimoto]

Every state has a VETS for Bush chapter. There is also of course a VETS for Kerry chapter also. In almost all states the W chapter is bigger. Quasi you have to bear in mind the state you live in. Oregon is a very Liberal and pro-kerry state.

Most of the vets i work with are not from Oregon bro...But you are right Oregon has typically been a very liberal state. But this is a super tight race here. The data i have seen suggests that Kerry is leading by about 1.5% .

I would like to read a post by a educated veteran who supports Bush, and why . JB you are a vet arent you ?

 

[eleven11]

Well I guess someone forgot to tell me. I thought this country was doing pretty good considering everything thats happend.

What I like about Cheney is he talks to you and explains things, he's not up there with broken record sound bites and giving speaches, I want someone to tell me how it is, not give me a speech..........11

 

[Quasimoto]

I don't know how any veteran could vote for a traitor like Kerry. Meeting illegally with the communist enemy twice in Paris, lying before a Senate committee and then that testimony was used to torture POWs, participating in anti-war/anti-American rallies, throwing away his medals, lying on Meet the Press about war crimes, and having all the shit he caused used against the veterans that came home...you know, calling them murderers, baby killers, etc. Not to mention he was credited by communist generals for helping them drive out American forces.

And now he wants to be the commander in chief of our armed forces?

Neither candidate is ideal, i think that is the concensus. Bush's disservice to this country is almost as appalling to me as Kerry's post war actions.

Contrary to what KTCK thinks, i am not going to vote for Kerry no matter what, he isnt my guy, I am honestly torn about who i am going to vote for..

Do i give my vote to the guy who bailed on his country during wartime , i guy that got away with shit that would have gotten me thrown out of the military ,

OR

Do i give my vote to a guy who served honorably and then lost his fucking mind ( when alot of vets did crazy shit upon returning from VN ) when he came back ?


We'll see.

 

[Kayz]

I will vote for Bush as he holds the beliefs and convictions that I value most in my own life.

I will also be the first to admit that he is by no means a perfect president. Personally, I am a McCain guy....guess I'll get my chance in 2008.

With me, I don't give a shit about Vietnam or the national guard or any of that...I care about my family and those closest to me and taht is it. I will vote for the guy who is best for my families businesses as that is what feeds my family and puts clothes on our backs.......

and that guy is GWB.

 

[Slick Arrado]

Vice President Elect Edwards didn't help himself much by invoking President Elect Kerry twice when that stupid schwartza mediator asked him to not use their candidates name.

Why bring race into this?

 

[jbiggs]

Most of the vets i work with are not from Oregon bro...But you are right Oregon has typically been a very liberal state. But this is a super tight race here. The data i have seen suggests that Kerry is leading by about 1.5% .

I would like to read a post by a educated veteran who supports Bush, and why . JB you are a vet arent you ?

USMC

Semper Fi

 

[Quasimoto]

JB , why do you support bush, as a veteran knowing what you know ?

Frosty, you assume too much. The word isnt english, so if you dont know it, you probably wont ever know it AND If you dont know what it is..why introduce it as derogatory ? Its no more slanderous than calling her a " cabbage " . I am sure it means different things to different people...as do the terms, traitor or terrorist.

 

[Kayz]

Quasi, I asked because I was not going to assume it was since i'm not up on all the racial slurs. I thought I heard a Jewish person refer to a black person as a "schwatz" in a derogatory manner, but that's the extent to which I've heard the term used.

So what does "schwartza" mean?

Wasnt' the Schwartz the powerful rings in the movie "Spaceballs"???

I love that movie.

 

[jbiggs]

JB , why do you support bush, as a veteran knowing what you know ?

Frosty, you assume too much. If you dont know what it is..why introduce it as derogatory ? Its no more slanderous than calling her a " cabbage " . I am sure it means different things to different people...as do the terms, traitor or terrorist.

The reasons are many, not that I agree with W on everything. I don't like his border policies nor do I like his spending habits.

My beliefs and convictions closely more resemble those of W's than those of Kerry.

I would compose a longer post and perhaps will later.

I'll give you one example of a policy that sways my decision...

After the first Gulf War, I continued in the USMC inactive reserves because of the bonds I developed with my "brothers" in the Corp. During the Clinton administration our funding was cut so drastically, we could no longer train properly. We actually had to run around, point our M16s and yell "bang."

You can't have a strong military if you don't fund it. Without a strong military we will not win the war on terror. I look at Kerry's record in the Senate and I just see someone weak on defense. That's his record. I don't want to see more of my brothers die because they didn't have what they needed.

 

[Quasimoto]

the Schwartz the powerful rings in the movie Spaceballs, and the schwartza is the person who wields the ring.




JB, thanks .

 

[maxx]

the Schwartz the powerful rings in the movie Spaceballs, and the schwartza is the person who wields the ring.




JB, thanks .

actually the schwartz wasnt in the ring he got it in a cracker jack box....the schwartz is within

an update on the veep debate polls....here in charlotte per channel 3 news charlotte people says that cheney 53% edwards 33% tied 14%...

maxx

 

[Vicious cycle]

lol! well nothings full proof.

also right now is such a bad time for elections in general ... vc, do you support kerry or just more anti-bush, even though you are a republican? i personally am an independent but i have been in favor of the republicans more times then less. i do think what you posted originally was a good post, many valid points ... between your post, quasi, jbiggs, windingo & even frosty ... we get some debates going.

People belong to a political party for different reasons. I personally am a Republican or should I say always considered myself a Republican because I am a fiscal conservative. The GOP used to be the Party who showed restraint in spending, but not since GWB. When you ask most people what they think the Republican Party is today, you will mostly get answers like, Bible thumpers, Anti-Abortion freaks, Patriot Act Nazis and War mongers.

Trust me, I long for the days of Ronald Reagan who brought us out of the self-deprecating 70s and gave us role models like the character of Alex Keetan. When it was ok to amass wealth and provide for you family, thru hard work and savings. He was a tough leader who defeated the USSR and brought down the wall in Germany. Neither Bush Sr. nor Jr. even comes close to rising to the level of Ronald Reagan.

Its because of the arrogance of people like Frosty that this Country will fall. Their unwillingness to engage in useful dialog coupled with the, we are the United States, we ALWAYS win mentality has given this Country the reputation of being a bully in the world. No longer do we, walk softly and carry a big stick. Now we invade Countries for no reason against the wishes of the rest of the world and guard their oil wells while their National Treasures are looted.

To answer your question, it's not that I'm THAT hyped up on Kerry. But, in my view, it's "Anybody but Bush".