I have been on 6iu SSA and I always got that feeling with the water retention in the hands better sleep, plus bloat and better pumps . After they got shut down I moved over to primal and was doing 8iu daily and was experiencing the same things I then bought from WWB for price reason the 36iu yellow cap hgh two 10x36iu and have been doing 10iu daily the last 3 days and feel nothing, no numbness in hands no better sleep but can't really tell if it just me going insane but I'm getting no sides from 10iu is anyone else who bought from them experienced this?
MESO-Rx
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WWB HGH fake?
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User123123
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Get it tested
Gonna get blood work soon, not really inclined to spend more money as I already spent almost 350$ on probably fake GH
BALLISTIC
Member
Feeling can be real, but doesn't determine truth.
Yea just seems insane to get no water retention or numbness on hands. I am also on 50mg epleronone and 12.5mg hctz daily but still would fill some type of water retention
BALLISTIC
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It's individual, I run GH from a few vendors but primarily just 1. I never cleared a run and have been doing so for years without pause. So with that I never get sides (feedback) at all. I started 2iu, then 4iu, then 6iu, now 10iu without any change in how or what I feel. I know the quality of the GH I have so I don't question it.
Through all the years I did take a break for about 2 weeks traveling. When I jumped back in it was a higher dose and no side effects occurred... For what that's worth.
Without testing it your not going to know. The test is expensive, I would personally go with a different vendor but I'm not handing that out, you can find it easily. If you purchased a volume of quantity which justifies the testing to ensure quality then do it.
You could also come off get baseline labs, then follow up after with labs.
same with QSC, and I also did SSA before , I had clear visible water retention on 2-3IU on the SSA and nothing on 8 IU qsc
BALLISTIC
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Yeah man, I would drop it for several weeks and get baseline labs. Then incorporate and follow up with labs. This will give you a clear picture in some way. Plus it's a double edged sword. You should be getting labs anyway, but also your verifying your investment.
I m tired of people saying discrediting these claims that are getting more and more common rn by saying feelings don't determine anything blah blah, visible bloat in my hands is not a feeling. sleep quality is not a feeling is stats in the gym, acne is not a feeling, recovery is not a feeling, carpal tunnel and numbness is not a feeling
I m convinced there is a difference between the older legit GH like the SSA and whats circulating right now in china probably from where WWB and QSC get their stuff from. Don't know if it's better, worse, or whatever it is, it's certainly different, can't wait for the blood results to arrive
I m convinced there is a difference between the older legit GH like the SSA and whats circulating right now in china probably from where WWB and QSC get their stuff from. Don't know if it's better, worse, or whatever it is, it's certainly different, can't wait for the blood results to arrive
BALLISTIC
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I'm not arguing with you, but since you're arrogant. Nobody is discrediting anything you said.
Go do your intro post in the new member thread.
And stop posting if your not going to accept the responses. I don't care what your convinced by. This is the last I'm hello you with since your wanting to argue your feelings.
The classic early GH effects (carpal tunnel like numbness, hand tingling, edema) come from physiologic changes. Sodium & water retention (renal effect), GH increases:, Renal sodium reabsorption, Plasma volume, Interstitial fluid This temporarily raises pressure in confined spaces (carpal tunnel, wrists, fingers).
That’s why you get puffy hands, tight rings
Numb fingers at night. IGF-1 tissue swelling expands soft tissue.
This causes transient nerve compression
What you're referring to is adaptation stress.
Most people start GH at too high a dose or increase too fast. Your body hasn’t upregulated. So why those effects often DISAPPEAR....After 2 to 6 weeks your kidneys adapt to sodiu, pressure, and nerves stop being compressed. The same GH, same dose, no more sides...
This is well documented in clinical GH therapy. So your feelings mean shit. Get it tested or don't. I don't care what you do.
Yea idiot, you're proving my point, I'm saying I have NONE of the side effects you just mentioned, that I should've had because I jumped straight into a very high dose from the start, without letting my body adapt like YOU mentioned.
I swear you intellectual wannabes don't even understand what you write or read, you just look for something to argue and write a fancy and scientific looking wall of text and that's it.
im confused, do you think ur current GH is fake because no sides or do you believe u have no sides because ur body adapted?
what
And wannabe intellectuals like ballistic keep trying to argue it's in our head and that "feelings don't matter", and I'm saying water retention, sleep, acne, carpal tunnel and numbness is not a matter of feelings, I've got all of these effects in a very very pronounced way last summer when I did on average 3 IU a day for 3 weeks from SSA. Now I started directly with 6 then 8 IU s from QSC and I might as well inject water, there's nothing no sides no better sleep no nothing.
What OP is saying and I've been saying in multiple threads, the GH kits we've got from WWB/QSC don't have any effects, neither positive nor negative even at high doses.
And wannabe intellectuals like ballistic keep trying to argue it's in our head and that "feelings don't matter", and I'm saying water retention, sleep, acne, carpal tunnel and numbness is not a matter of feelings, I've got all of these effects in a very very pronounced way last summer when I did on average 3 IU a day for 3 weeks from SSA. Now I started directly with 6 then 8 IU s from QSC and I might as well inject water, there's nothing no sides no better sleep no nothing.
laloutre
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Didn't try the 36 IU yet, but I can tell you the 12 IU green caps are great.
I'm only at 2.5 IU right now, and I get some occasional tingling and numbness, but damn, I feel pumped like a bastard with way more energy!
Just for info, only one 36 IU vial got tested at 74% purity! Might be a lab/test error?
From what I've seen in all the user reviews (unless I missed some), almost no bad feedback!
Overall, quality looks pretty damn good!
I'm only at 2.5 IU right now, and I get some occasional tingling and numbness, but damn, I feel pumped like a bastard with way more energy!
Just for info, only one 36 IU vial got tested at 74% purity! Might be a lab/test error?
From what I've seen in all the user reviews (unless I missed some), almost no bad feedback!
Overall, quality looks pretty damn good!
damn, what about the wwb gh i was thinking of buying that but since youve bracketed qsc with wwb is it also fake?
BALLISTIC
Member
You’re confusing physiology with feelings, then throwing a tantrum when someone explains the difference. No one said “feelings don’t matter.” What was said, and what you clearly don’t understand is that early GH side effects are adaptation related and commonly disappear with continued exposure. That isn’t opinion, it’s basics.
You had pronounced sides at 3 IU for 3 weeks from SSA because you were GH naive, you introduced an acute osmotic and IGF-1 shift, your body hadn’t adapted yet. That’s again basics.
Starting later at 6 to 8 IU and getting nothing does not automatically mean “bunk hgh.” It means one of three things and this is where your lack of understanding shows. You have a process of physiological adaptation (most common) different pharmacokinetics due to dosing, timing, or splitting, and quality issues that don’t present as classic GH sides.
Here’s the part you skipped entirely, prolonged or exaggerated GH sides are more often linked to BAD GH, not good GH.
Low-quality UGL GH can contain protein aggregation, residual host cell proteins, (really bad) endotoxin contamination, improper bond folding, or equally so dose inconsistency vial to vial.
Those cause inflammation driven effects...So your logic of “no sides fake” is not just wrong, it’s backwards.
Right now you’re doing the classic beginner move confusing acute sensation with efficacy, then getting emotional when I challenged it.
If you want to argue science, learn it first.
If you want to argue feelings, TikTok is probably a better platform.
Arrogant bastard.
Ateam2023
Member
Your getting Constructive feedback, are you dense and not open to suggestions from more "Experienced" users? Or just "close minded"??
Yea so 3 weeks of 2-3 IU s 8 months ago caused adapation to my body so now when I inject 6-8IU from the start I don't feel anything right, and this sound 100% like chatgpt wrote it lmao, "That isn't opinion, it's basics"
And my body somehow remained adapted 8 months later of not using GH and now even if I pin 4x the dose I don't feel anything hmm ok, or you re gonna say I have antibodies now
I didn't say it does, I said it's different
Does your little brain comprehend what adaptation means? It shouldn't happen instantly, I didn't felt anything from the first 6IU dose then nothing from the subsequent 6 and 8 doses, or again you're saying the fact that I did GH for 3 weeks at a dose 3-4 times less means my body fully adapted to GH sides forever
And what exactly are those pharmacokinetics ? I take it at the same time, at a much bigger dosage
ok let me quote you
idiots like yourself argues one way then he finds out he proves my point argues the other way just so he can win the argument lmao
let's see what the chatgpt bot that you use and trained to just argue for you says about your statements
"It is a common misconception that "high-quality" pharmaceutical HGH shouldn't cause side effects. In reality, medical literature and clinical studies prove the exact opposite: water retention is one of the most common and predictable physiological effects of real Somatropin, regardless of the brand's quality.
The argument that "side effects = bad quality" is medically incorrect. In fact, if someone takes a high dose of pharmaceutical HGH and feels nothing (no joint tightness or slight water retention), it is often a sign the product is under-dosed or fake.
1. Does Pharma-Grade HGH Cause Water Retention?
Yes. Every major pharmaceutical brand (Norditropin, Genotropin, Humatrope, etc.) explicitly lists "peripheral edema" (swelling of the hands and feet) as a common side effect in their prescribing information.- The Mechanism: HGH causes the kidneys to retain sodium and water by activating the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system (RAAS) and the sodium-potassium pump. This is a direct biological action of the growth hormone molecule itself, not a result of "impurities."
- The "Purity" Myth: In the 1980s, early HGH derived from cadavers had impurities that caused issues. Modern recombinant (rhGH) is over 99% pure. The water retention you feel today is the hormone working on your kidneys, not your body reacting to "dirty" fillers.
2. What the Studies Show
Clinical data shows that side effects are highly dose-dependent.- Low Dose (0.5 – 2.0 IU/day): Often used for anti-aging or GH deficiency. At this level, water retention is usually mild or non-existent in healthy individuals.
- Moderate Dose (4.0 – 6.0 IU/day): Frequently used by athletes. Studies show a significant increase in Extracellular Water (ECW) at these levels. In one study of healthy young adults taking supraphysiological doses, extracellular water increased by nearly 10% within weeks.
- High Dose (8.0+ IU/day): At these levels, the incidence of side effects like "moon face" (facial edema), carpal tunnel syndrome (from fluid pressing on the wrist nerves), and joint pain becomes nearly universal.
3. Dosage and Side Effect Relationships
The relationship is a classic dose-response curve: the higher the dose, the more severe the side effects.The "Sign of Quality": While extreme side effects aren't desirable, the presence of mild water retention and carpal tunnel-like symptoms is actually a classic indicator that the HGH is biologically active."
