Richard322
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Dr. Confronts School Board On COVID Vaccine Lies
A hero Doctor from Indiana confronts his local school board about the reality of COVID restrictions and vaccines.
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He runs a functional medicine practice. He’s a quackDr. Confronts School Board On COVID Vaccine Lies
A hero Doctor from Indiana confronts his local school board about the reality of COVID restrictions and vaccines.freeworldnews.tv
Richard322
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You mean logical according to what we know already.
Richard322
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You’ll realize the truth when you have to get another shot and another shot year after as you still get the flu.
fooba
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the vaccine works so well that less than a year after its been out theyre already saying people need booster shots LMAO
Ryu82
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Another annual shot right up there with the flu shot. Money in the bank.
On the bright side, phase 3 trials will be done in a couple years...and then it might be approved for use beyond "emergency"...
On the bright side, phase 3 trials will be done in a couple years...and then it might be approved for use beyond "emergency"...
No I mean he charges people a ton of money for tests they don’t need and then treats them with unproven or even disproven things, he’s a snake oil salesman from a long line of crooks.
You really are a living meme
Well they’re most likely getting full approval in weeks
Aka: I don’t truly understand how any of this works
Richard322
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A Pandemic Of The Vaccinated
While King Obama attempts to divert the public from interrupting his sophisticated celebration of elitists flaunting their disregard of their own totalitarian covid orders upon the peasants. And the bewildered compromised puppet sleepy Joe can't even manage to remember the amount of people he...
Richard322
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True Or False With Kristi Leigh: Covid Vaccines
Episode 1 of this new on the street interview game show, Kristi asks people on the street of Austin a handful of questions on the vaccines to see how much they know.
Jesus Christ on a vibrator. Do you read any legitimate sources?True Or False With Kristi Leigh: Covid Vaccines
Episode 1 of this new on the street interview game show, Kristi asks people on the street of Austin a handful of questions on the vaccines to see how much they know.freeworldnews.tv
Richard322
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Go fact check it, it’s sourced form CDC and NIH mostly.
pbj190
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I would encourage everyone on this thread, both for and against the vaccine, to read about the SARS CoV-1 vaccine trials. There’s a reason there has never been a vaccine developed for coronaviruses. They mutate constantly. In the original trials, ferrets and mink that were given the vaccine and subsequently exposed to the virus virtually all died. If you look into what happened with the current vaccine, they bypassed those trials because they knew it would do the same thing. I’m not saying this is what will happen in humans, but they were smart enough to know that no one would accept a vaccine that wiped out the stage 0 animal tests.
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Evasion of antibody neutralization in emerging severe acute respiratory syndrome coronaviruses
Molecular characterization of the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus has revealed genetic diversity among isolates. The spike (S) glycoprotein, the major target for vaccine and immune therapy, shows up to 17 substitutions in its 1,255-aa sequence; however, the biologic significance of...
pbj190
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The timeline for “debunking” the zinc/hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin treatment was also incredibly suspect. Study after study showed that those medications, when given soon after the onset of symptoms, was incredibly effective. The NIH finally agreed to do a large double-blind placebo controlled study around April 2020. A month or so later 2 papers came out in the lancet and the New England journal of medicine claiming hydroxychloroquine was not only ineffective but was dangerous in some cases. The NIH discontinued their studies based on that evidence. Not long after both papers were retracted because the data was completely fabricated. But the NIH never resumed their studies? Why? Because you cannot get a vaccine approved for emergency use if there are other remedies available.
Two elite medical journals retract coronavirus papers over data integrity questions
Two elite medical journals retract coronavirus papers over data integrity questions
lifter6973
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Nowhere in that article does it say the data was fabricated. The papers were retracted because they did not allow one company to do an audit because they wanted to protect patient confidentiality.
You are being misleading by saying the data was fabricated as if you are stating a fact.
BTW, at one point in my career I actually worked with Desai. He had a good reputation then. Could he have fabricated data? Possibly. Hard to say.
I have often seen with very large data sets that you can manipulate (not fabricate) data to fit your theory. There are so many significance tests/factors/ways of sorting and analyzing data that go well over most people's heads yet still show significance.
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pbj190
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You’re being misleading by bringing up patient confidentiality. The data was not intended to be released to the public but if you’re going to publish in the lancet the reviewers have every right to make sure the figures presented are based on an actual data set. This is how it is for every single discipline and medical research is no exception. You’re also glossing over the fact that NO ONE has access to all the databases the authors claimed to have access to. That was the first red flag identified by his colleagues and led the further inquiry. It’s not a question of the particular test/mode/p-value/r-value/whatever statistical jargon you want to bring up. The issue was with Surgisphere. Desai was at the heart of that. Regardless of what you think of him based on your personal experience he’s not well-regarded in either medicine or business. But it is pretty cool you worked with the guy, and that’s not sarcastic. Even if he was unethical he was driven and probably had some very interesting ideas.
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News: The Surgisphere Scandal: What Went... (The Scientist) - Behind the headlines - NLM
(The Scientist) The Surgisphere Scandal: What Went Wrong?. Associated research findings from the National Library of Medicine.
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pbj190
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It may be misleading to say the data was fabricated. Desai may not have even gone to the trouble to do that.
pbj190
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That being said, I do appreciate your tone. You didn’t go ad hominem and I very much respect that. I don’t have an issue with people wanting to get the vaccine. I do have an issue with the view that people who are skeptical don’t believe in “science”.
It feels similar to the war in Afghanistan. If you were conservative but opposed to the war, other conservatives would demonize you as an anti-American, terrorist-sympathizing prick. Today, even if you’re a socially liberal scientist you run the risk of being called an anti-vaxxer or spreader of misinformation because you don’t buy the narrative that is being pushed.
It feels similar to the war in Afghanistan. If you were conservative but opposed to the war, other conservatives would demonize you as an anti-American, terrorist-sympathizing prick. Today, even if you’re a socially liberal scientist you run the risk of being called an anti-vaxxer or spreader of misinformation because you don’t buy the narrative that is being pushed.
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lifter6973
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@pbj190 I'm not going to deny some of your points and the actions of Desai and his company were definitely shady but one had to read past the first article you cited to know any of this which is mostly opinion.
Confidentiality in the redacted articles is definitely an issue as far as not having patient identifiers but data could have been provided blinded to identifiers.
I wish I knew the reason why Desai and his company chose not to disclose the data sets but again it doesn't mean it was fabricated. Shady AF though especially when some of his own co-authors didn't even see the actual data. I am wondering if he had planned more articles and didn't want to reveal his sources so he would have corner share on the research. I don't know the motivation honestly. Some think he couldn't get access to the alleged data again for the audit which is horrific.
Both journals should also be ashamed for publishing in such a hurry and then deciding on an audit in retrospect.
Sadly I will say I know there is dishonesty in research but I believe this is in a low percentage of research. In the end it usually comes out to the open.
Some people get caught up on their big name and get big heads and think the rules don't apply to them anymore.
Confidentiality in the redacted articles is definitely an issue as far as not having patient identifiers but data could have been provided blinded to identifiers.
I wish I knew the reason why Desai and his company chose not to disclose the data sets but again it doesn't mean it was fabricated. Shady AF though especially when some of his own co-authors didn't even see the actual data. I am wondering if he had planned more articles and didn't want to reveal his sources so he would have corner share on the research. I don't know the motivation honestly. Some think he couldn't get access to the alleged data again for the audit which is horrific.
Both journals should also be ashamed for publishing in such a hurry and then deciding on an audit in retrospect.
Sadly I will say I know there is dishonesty in research but I believe this is in a low percentage of research. In the end it usually comes out to the open.
Some people get caught up on their big name and get big heads and think the rules don't apply to them anymore.
