Who Will Be President?

who are you voting for ?

  • Trump

    Votes: 38 70.4%
  • Hillary

    Votes: 3 5.6%
  • Teddy

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • BS

    Votes: 12 22.2%

  • Total voters
    54
Lucky for us your one vote only weighs as much as mine...
(or wait...you're a convicted felon right?)
this is why I don't get into discussions of politics.
I think George W was an asshat but life was pretty damn good for me then, better than when the "change" came. Is what it is..

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He actually makes very good points TEK....
 
Lucky for us your one vote only weighs as much as mine...
(or wait...you're a convicted felon right?)
this is why I don't get into discussions of politics.
I think George W was an asshat but life was pretty damn good for me then, better than when the "change" came. Is what it is..

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No felony convictions my friend- I always have lawyer money. Always.

Anecdotal experience is usually where personal alignments transpire politically... I lost my fucking house thanks to bush, and Obama sure didn't help me get it back. I'm doing that.

Politics mean nothing. The world economy drives everything everyone does- and we all have a gigantic ten foot dick up our asses courtesy of those who pull the financial strings. War will not ruin us, politicians will not ruin us, terrorism will not ruin us... we just need to continue down the road we are on of the calculation of asset transfers due to compound interest magic as actual earned income and we will fall. We need no help at all.
 
So put aside three major issues. Sure.
"Decentralizing big government" means giving more power to the private sector that already as very little oversight and Is a big part of our problem. Bad idea.
10% flat tax? On what exactly? The 700 billion a year in unpaid taxes due to corporate offshore dodging? How will you tax that? Is that ten points on unearned or earned income?...

Brutus how is it 'oversight' when the watching eye is installed and paid for by those that are to be monitored?



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War will not ruin us, politicians will not ruin us, terrorism will not ruin us... we just need to continue down the road we are on of the calculation of asset transfers due to compound interest magic as actual earned income and we will fall. We need no help at all.

You don't think politicians, or government in general, had anything to do with asset transfers and compound interest magic?
 
He actually makes very good points TEK....

No felony convictions my friend- I always have lawyer money. Always.

Anecdotal experience is usually where personal alignments transpire politically... I lost my fucking house thanks to bush, and Obama sure didn't help me get it back. I'm doing that.

Politics mean nothing. The world economy drives everything everyone does- and we all have a gigantic ten foot dick up our asses courtesy of those who pull the financial strings. War will not ruin us, politicians will not ruin us, terrorism will not ruin us... we just need to continue down the road we are on of the calculation of asset transfers due to compound interest magic as actual earned income and we will fall. We need no help at all.
You do have valid points...I can see where they stem from. However, we will never see eye to eye on the economic issues. I want as little government intervention as possible and everything privatized, more competition in the market benefits the consumer. I don't agree with government bailouts, this isn't how the system was designed to work. The cream rises, inferiors fail, it will balance itself. Such is the course of nature...

Same beliefs I hold across the the board, survival of the fittest. If you have no education and no skills, cant feed yourself and your 8 kids....guess what??? Shouldn't have had 8 kids. Cold-blooded but it's what I believe. I believe we build a stronger country by building stronger communities, and stronger communities start with stronger families. Raise your kids, discipline them, educate them, teach them the value of hard work. Teach them they reap what they sow, work hard and start with fiscal responsibility early in life. Life's hard, so lace em up and kick todays ass. I'm young so I suck it up hit it hard and try to put some coin away like everyone else, live the American Dream, maybe own a home one day. I volunteer and take care of my family and my community when I can, hopefully If I catch a bad break I will get a hand up from them without having to ask for it. That's about as much "security" as I got...other than that a ninja better get AFLAK.

I tell these motherfuckin bums the same shit as the ones that panhandle me on the street
"got a dollar?"
"I'm broke too...life's hard. Hug or a tissue?"
 
lol...he's a bible thumper for sure.
and remarkably unlikeable, but no Hitler that's a bit overkill.
Put aside the social issues of abortion, religion, same sex marriage for a minute.

I like his stance on decentralizing big government, cutting social programs, flat rate 10% taxes, single income family of four is exempt on first $36k. Tighten the budget decrease government spending, put the money back in the working mans pocket...let him spend it how he sees fit and stimulate the economy. Tighten our borders, he's in favor of people immigrating legally that possess skills/trades and are willing to pay taxes and play by the rules...He's also in favor our protecting our interests domestically and abroad, and building up Military. Also in favor of major reform in the VA to help Veterans have better access to the benefits the have earned. Also believes in using whatever interrogation tactics necessary to prevent domestic acts of terrorism, and the death penalty.

He is what he is...but at least you know what you're getting. He has a long history of standing by his values.

TEK if you can find me an office holder that has 'values' that are not funded by someone, let's have it. These people have a 'price' not values - all of them, they are not real. Where does Cruz's money come from? Christian special interest? I garuntee it, ill bet my shutdown balls on it.

Follow the money -
Cruz's is top donor this ejection cycle was Wilks Brothers. One of those brothers is a Christian extremist who is declaring 'war' on essentially anything he sees as unholy (gays, mormons, freedom etc...). He wants the bible to be used as the blueprint for everything from elections to public and foreign policy, all the way down to making it the main text book used in public schools. Where have we seen this before? Islamic Fundamentalism? And for anyone that is about to call me an islamophobe and a hate monger - I INCLUDES CHRISTIANITY IN THIS!!! Look at the horrifying shit they have been doing to people for centuries.

I never said he was Hitler. You can find quote after quote from maniacs in charge of any significant number of people just like this. They have used this same language to commit unspeakable atrocities over and over - It's been happening forever.

It's a red flag and those that don't see it as dangerous are asleep. If you spent any time in the middle east as a peace keeper in the last 20 years - that's what you were fighting.
 
Brutus how is it 'oversight' when the watching eye is installed and paid for by those that are to be monitored?



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No felony convictions my friend- I always have lawyer money. Always.

Anecdotal experience is usually where personal alignments transpire politically... I lost my fucking house thanks to bush, and Obama sure didn't help me get it back. I'm doing that.

Politics mean nothing. The world economy drives everything everyone does- and we all have a gigantic ten foot dick up our asses courtesy of those who pull the financial strings. War will not ruin us, politicians will not ruin us, terrorism will not ruin us... we just need to continue down the road we are on of the calculation of asset transfers due to compound interest magic as actual earned income and we will fall. We need no help at all.

nvm ;)
 
Follow the money -
Cruz's is top donor this ejection cycle was Wilks Brothers. One of those brothers is a Christian extremist who is declaring 'war' on essentially anything he sees as unholy (gays, mormons, freedom etc...). He wants the bible to be used as the blueprint for everything from elections to public and foreign policy, all the way down to making it the main text book used in public schools. Where have we seen this before? Islamic Fundamentalism? And for anyone that is about to call me an islamophobe and a hate monger - I INCLUDES CHRISTIANITY IN THIS!!! Look at the horrifying shit they have been doing to people for centuries.

@flenser brought up the real deal, Cruz is in bed with some very powerful men.
http://www.infowars.com/the-men-behind-ted-cruz-neocons-and-a-cia-propagandist/
But remember...I never said I'm Cruz's big fan boy.

I just have conservative beliefs and values by many people's standards, and this was the option that was presented to us. For the time being I still hold fast to the idea that Cruz is a better Republican candidate, and I think Trump is feeling it. He's done a good job of stealing the limelight and overshadowing the competition, however outside of the incendiary remarks Cruz made concerning "New York values" and the results of last night...Trump should be feeling the heat.
 
You don't think politicians, or government in general, had anything to do with asset transfers and compound interest magic?
I really just meant it doesn't matter if we continue to engage in the status quo- it can't get any worse because we are already on a collision course that is inevitable. I see where my generalized statement didn't make that clear. Our choice of another bad politician won't break us because the previous choices already have broken us.

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The disabling force of debt was recognized more clearly in the 18th and 19th centuries (not to mention four thousand years ago in the Bronze Age). This has led pro-creditor economists to exclude the history of economic thought from the curriculum. Mainstream economics has become censorially pro-creditor, pro-austerity (that is, anti-labor) and anti-government (except for insisting on the need for taxpayer bailouts of the largest banks and savers). Yet it has captured Congressional policy, universities and the mass media to broadcast a false map of how economies work. So most people see reality as it is written – and distorted – by the One Percent. It is a travesty of reality.

Michael Hudson



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Sounds like we're still screwed one way or another.. I'm all for the flat tax, enforcing legal imigration like they should've been, I can care less about special interest like lgbt idiots they are only maybe 2% in this country, destroy Isis , let the Middle East figure they're problems after that since it's a thousand year old religious war over some damn desert land, energy independent , and start up oil drilling again ,
 
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Pfattheicher S, Schindler S. Misperceiving Bullshit as Profound Is Associated with Favorable Views of Cruz, Rubio, Trump and Conservatism. PLoS ONE 2016;11(4):e0153419. Misperceiving Bullshit as Profound Is Associated with Favorable Views of Cruz, Rubio, Trump and Conservatism

The present research investigates the associations between holding favorable views of potential Democratic or Republican candidates for the US presidency 2016 and seeing profoundness in bullshit statements. In this contribution, bullshit is used as a technical term which is defined as communicative expression that lacks content, logic, or truth from the perspective of natural science. We used the Bullshit Receptivity scale (BSR) to measure seeing profoundness in bullshit statements. The BSR scale contains statements that have a correct syntactic structure and seem to be sound and meaningful on first reading but are actually vacuous. Participants (N = 196; obtained via Amazon Mechanical Turk) rated the profoundness of bullshit statements (using the BSR) and provided favorability ratings of three Democratic (Hillary Clinton, Martin O’Malley, and Bernie Sanders) and three Republican candidates for US president (Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and Donald Trump). Participants also completed a measure of political liberalism/conservatism. Results revealed that favorable views of all three Republican candidates were positively related to judging bullshit statements as profound. The smallest correlation was found for Donald Trump. Although we observe a positive association between bullshit and support for the three Democrat candidates, this relationship is both substantively small and statistically insignificant. The general measure of political liberalism/conservatism was also related to judging bullshit statements as profound in that individuals who were more politically conservative had a higher tendency to see profoundness in bullshit statements. Of note, these results were not due to a general tendency among conservatives to see profoundness in everything: Favorable views of Republican candidates and conservatism were not significantly related to profoundness ratings of mundane statements. In contrast, this was the case for Hillary Clinton and Martin O’Malley. Overall, small-to-medium sized correlations were found, indicating that far from all conservatives see profoundness in bullshit statements.
 
Pfattheicher S, Schindler S. Misperceiving Bullshit as Profound Is Associated with Favorable Views of Cruz, Rubio, Trump and Conservatism. PLoS ONE 2016;11(4):e0153419. Misperceiving Bullshit as Profound Is Associated with Favorable Views of Cruz, Rubio, Trump and Conservatism

The present research investigates the associations between holding favorable views of potential Democratic or Republican candidates for the US presidency 2016 and seeing profoundness in bullshit statements. In this contribution, bullshit is used as a technical term which is defined as communicative expression that lacks content, logic, or truth from the perspective of natural science. We used the Bullshit Receptivity scale (BSR) to measure seeing profoundness in bullshit statements. The BSR scale contains statements that have a correct syntactic structure and seem to be sound and meaningful on first reading but are actually vacuous. Participants (N = 196; obtained via Amazon Mechanical Turk) rated the profoundness of bullshit statements (using the BSR) and provided favorability ratings of three Democratic (Hillary Clinton, Martin O’Malley, and Bernie Sanders) and three Republican candidates for US president (Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and Donald Trump). Participants also completed a measure of political liberalism/conservatism. Results revealed that favorable views of all three Republican candidates were positively related to judging bullshit statements as profound. The smallest correlation was found for Donald Trump. Although we observe a positive association between bullshit and support for the three Democrat candidates, this relationship is both substantively small and statistically insignificant. The general measure of political liberalism/conservatism was also related to judging bullshit statements as profound in that individuals who were more politically conservative had a higher tendency to see profoundness in bullshit statements. Of note, these results were not due to a general tendency among conservatives to see profoundness in everything: Favorable views of Republican candidates and conservatism were not significantly related to profoundness ratings of mundane statements. In contrast, this was the case for Hillary Clinton and Martin O’Malley. Overall, small-to-medium sized correlations were found, indicating that far from all conservatives see profoundness in bullshit statements.


When studies studying bullshit are themselves bullshit...
http://www.asheleylandrum.com/blog/when-studies-studying-bullshit-are-themselves-bullshit
 
See, the issue is that "freedom" doesn't mean anything in the context you mean. Everything is owned by someone- and it's private corporations or government. Banks or government. Taxes or interest. Economics in the classic sense has always tried to remove the land/rent ownership from private parties- because feudalism is bad, mmmmmkay? We don't need kings and queens owning everything... we need elected officials NOT being controlled by private business in control - and NOT private business owning everything outright.

I prefer government control over private corporation control- and you should too.

Because that has worked swimmingly in any country that has tried it. Compare North Korea vs Korea, or the two German nations. Great success.

Government is good at breaking things and using threats and force in general. Just about all other things it fucks up.
 
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