MESO-Rx Exclusive What Makes Nandrolone Different? Unique Benefits for Joints, Muscles, and Blood

[Jesintn]

Try it and see. I've run up to 1200mg deca no test with tirzepatide and semaglutide. Nothing different that I noticed. Just that standard deca solo feeling where you're mellowed out and relaxed all the time, almost like being slightly high.the tirzepatide still works and makes me less interested in food and it doesn't taste as good. It's done that since before I ever touched gear

I’ve tried. Been through a lot of deca cycles since 2015. Solo for me from experience, doesn’t work well. I at least want some umph that something like dbol causes.

I m choosy on androgens to use with deca, due to hair prevention. I think the most I’ve used was a gram for a few weeks. At middle aged I have to pay meticulous attention to my health. Like last night upper chest felt like pressure on it. Deca supposed to be one of the most difficult on the heart, blood clots as well. I was reading a write up saying it can effect learning.

I understand the dopamine reward system and I would think if raising dopamine and lowering prolactin would help. I’m like three weeks in a low dose. From nandrolone s twenty percent conversion to estrogen of some kinds rate, three hundred mgs solo probably wouldn’t be enough estrogen , would it ? using a gram I would think would be a good amount of estrogen. Remember when dudes usually use deca or npp for joints they are using other aas

 

[xrayphoton13]

I’ve tried. Been through a lot of deca cycles since 2015. Solo for me from experience, doesn’t work well. I at least want some umph that something like dbol causes.

I m choosy on androgens to use with deca, due to hair prevention. I think the most I’ve used was a gram for a few weeks. At middle aged I have to pay meticulous attention to my health. Like last night upper chest felt like pressure on it. Deca supposed to be one of the most difficult on the heart, blood clots as well. I was reading a write up saying it can effect learning.

I understand the dopamine reward system and I would think if raising dopamine and lowering prolactin would help. I’m like three weeks in a low dose. From nandrolone s twenty percent conversion to estrogen of some kinds rate, three hundred mgs solo probably wouldn’t be enough estrogen , would it ? using a gram I would think would be a good amount of estrogen. Remember when dudes usually use deca or npp for joints they are using other aas

Yeah 300mg probably won't provide enough estrogen. I'm not sure where the 20% aromatization comes from but in real world reports from users showing their lab work it can often be much much lower than that even. Like closer to 0. I forget who, maybe it was Todd Lee that said he was running a gram of deca and still did not have e2 in the reference range Does Nandrolone Aromatize Into An Estrogen?

 

[wp_375]

You need less NPP go equal the same dosage of deca..except that I don't feel any differences.

One is more pinning the other is less pinning

I think the difference is pretty minimal, want to say NPP has 12% more Nandrolone for the same volume/concentration as ND.

 

[Drizz]

In what respect is NPP "one of the most toxic compounds"?

I had the same question....

 

[ChemBB]

Try it and see. I've run up to 1200mg deca no test with tirzepatide and semaglutide.

How did this work out? That's currently my exact blast, 3 weeks in

1,200mg Nandrolone (Deca 800mg/NPP 400mg)
2.3mg Reta
5iu GH
10iu Slin

 

[xrayphoton13]

How did this work out? That's currently my exact blast, 3 weeks in

1,200mg Nandrolone (Deca 800mg/NPP 400mg)
2.3mg Reta
5iu GH
10iu Slin

Worked fine. It's a very different feeling though. I would keep dbol on hand in case you experience any symptoms of low e2. Don't even need to use it daily, just pre workout here and there was enough for me. Or the other option I've seen is to add testosterone but a very low dose like 15mg/week.

It was about 3 weeks in when I was mid workout and the deca/dopamine feeling took over. Hard to explain but out of nowhere I don't extremely relaxed and like a high/intoxicated feeling. You'll know what I mean if you experience it. Basically it lessened but didn't really go away either until I came off and switched back to testosterone. Weights were moving effortlessly and my body felt almost spongy? Like no joint pain. Just smoothness.

Biggest issues were that high of a dose made me very hungry even with tirz. And the other was blood pressure. It was a struggle to keep it at 130. I don't think I would do it again. I can keep BP under 120 pretty easily with a testosterone base. Plus the feeling in my head just makes me lazy and unmotivated

 

[ChemBB]

Worked fine. It's a very different feeling though. I would keep dbol on hand in case you experience any symptoms of low e2. Don't even need to use it daily, just pre workout here and there was enough for me. Or the other option I've seen is to add testosterone but a very low dose like 15mg/week.

It was about 3 weeks in when I was mid workout and the deca/dopamine feeling took over. Hard to explain but out of nowhere I don't extremely relaxed and like a high/intoxicated feeling. You'll know what I mean if you experience it. Basically it lessened but didn't really go away either until I came off and switched back to testosterone. Weights were moving effortlessly and my body felt almost spongy? Like no joint pain. Just smoothness.

Biggest issues were that high of a dose made me very hungry even with tirz. And the other was blood pressure. It was a struggle to keep it at 130. I don't think I would do it again. I can keep BP under 120 pretty easily with a testosterone base. Plus the feeling in my head just makes me lazy and unmotivated

Interesting, will keep it in mind.

E2 is my big concern, getting my bloods done Monday to check.
Do you have E2 tests from when you were on 1.2g Nand solo?

 

[Jesintn]

How did this work out? That's currently my exact blast, 3 weeks in

1,200mg Nandrolone (Deca 800mg/NPP 400mg)
2.3mg Reta
5iu GH
10iu Slin

That about the max dose ive done of deca

Last run was 300 mgs for one month, 600 a few weeks, 900 mgs, and 1200 one month. Dbol was run at 12.5 mgs m three resistance exercise days, and dhea at 12.5 mgs on resistance exercise days. I train five days resistance, then repeat I rarely take a day off unless Im feeling run down

im trying to take a few weeks off a year here and there completely if resistance exercise

anyways back to nandrolone, I would use at least l -dopa forty percent or higher, as nandrolone lowers dopamine , and riases prolactin, l dopa riases dopamine and lowers prolactin (ive had blood labs using 99% l -dopa and it does work lowering prolactin)

otherwise bromocriptine is only one ive done, never done caber bc bromo is all that was there at the time

I do this once or twice a year as im still competing, and this is a cycle that doesnt seem to effect my hair , and possible prostate levels, going by lab results

As far as the feeling life seems duller, hold water more, big, some people dont like the look, but as a competitor the competition date is where the look matters. my face seems to get a bit more e2 and no androgenic face, in fact it seems to look a bit more feminine on a deca solo and very low dosed or low dosed d bol

 

[drapton]

From previous post of mine: I used 50 mg Deca for 12 weeks (pinned 1x per week) on top of TRT for elbow tendonitis. Took several weeks to start helping (as expected) but worked like a charm. Note that I also lowered my poundages, did some physical therapy and massage as well as backed-off aggaravating lifts during this period too in order to heal. The condition never returned post-Deca for me (others have experienced otherwise). Personally I wouldnt run Deca for any other reason - it really hits my BP due to water weight, even with managed E2

Did 50mg still affect your BP?

 

[Ricky93]

From previous post of mine: I used 50 mg Deca for 12 weeks (pinned 1x per week) on top of TRT for elbow tendonitis. Took several weeks to start helping (as expected) but worked like a charm. Note that I also lowered my poundages, did some physical therapy and massage as well as backed-off aggaravating lifts during this period too in order to heal. The condition never returned post-Deca for me (others have experienced otherwise). Personally I wouldnt run Deca for any other reason - it really hits my BP due to water weight, even with managed E2

Did 50mg still affect your BP?

I have tendinitis and a physical job. Bought some BPC-157 but haven't used it yet. Do you think Deca would help at low doses like 50 mg? Last time I took 150mg NPP my heart felt under pressure, like being squeezed so I gave up on it.

 

[xrayphoton13]

I have tendinitis and a physical job. Bought some BPC-157 but haven't used it yet. Do you think Deca would help at low doses like 50 mg? Last time I took 150mg NPP my heart felt under pressure, like being squeezed so I gave up on it.

Usually 100+mg is where people start noticing joint benefits. Personally I didn't notice anything at 50mg or 75mg. 100-120mg is my sweet spot.

Try using bpc and tb500 first

 

[Guanciale]

Tried NPP for the first time, very low does, 150-200mg/w, 50mg EOD. I’ve introduced it mainly for joints and aches, which worked decent, can bench press again comfortably.
I didn’t plan ahead a total length of the run so after I’ve finished the first vial, I’ve popped another one as there were no side effects.
By the 10th week however this stuff started to show its fangs. I can’t describe it otherwise than simply being poisoned with a love potion.
I’ve never been so in love with my woman and we are together for a very long period of time, almost a decade. The libido is off the charts, the kink is off the charts and I also got some jealousy on her past relationship for the first time, sprinkled with some paranoia, but I can talk myself out of it knowing what’s flowing in my body.
My question is: Is this the effect of the brain being exposed to the compound for such a long time even if the dose was low?
I plan on running it again sometime but I’ll stick to max 5-6 weeks as the libido is simply unbearable, looking at her and not being able to touch her non-stop makes my wanna bite myself or run into a wall, and we cannot accommodate this based on our lifestyle and careers. Anyone else went through this? Also I feel a little less smart than usual but also way calmer and contained. Besides the libido part ofc.

PS: Full breakdown: 100mg test blend, 70mg mast p, 50mg npp eod.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Tried NPP for the first time, very low does, 150-200mg/w, 50mg EOD. I’ve introduced it mainly for joints and aches, which worked decent, can bench press again comfortably.
I didn’t plan ahead a total length of the run so after I’ve finished the first vial, I’ve popped another one as there were no side effects.
By the 10th week however this stuff started to show its fangs. I can’t describe it otherwise than simply being poisoned with a love potion.
I’ve never been so in love with my woman and we are together for a very long period of time, almost a decade. The libido is off the charts, the kink is off the charts and I also got some jealousy on her past relationship for the first time, sprinkled with some paranoia, but I can talk myself out of it knowing what’s flowing in my body.
My question is: Is this the effect of the brain being exposed to the compound for such a long time even if the dose was low?
I plan on running it again sometime but I’ll stick to max 5-6 weeks as the libido is simply unbearable, looking at her and not being able to touch her non-stop makes my wanna bite myself or run into a wall, and we cannot accommodate this based on our lifestyle and careers. Anyone else went through this? Also I feel a little less smart than usual but also way calmer and contained. Besides the libido part ofc.

PS: Full breakdown: 100mg test blend, 70mg mast p, 50mg npp eod.

thats how it goes for me too, tren makes me a colder and more agitated but thats it. nandrolone made me clingy, jealous and higher libido than tren.
i look at it like a pregnancy hormone, little lazier, insecure, emotional, needing validation, but this was at higher dosage, i havent tried lower

might try like 150 or 300 soon

 

[Guanciale]

Thanks, that’s comforting. I’ve never tried tren and don’t plan to unless I will decide to jump in a competition or something, but that’s another subject.
Yes, the needing validation part is also present a lot but to be more precise I need affection which in the past was not the case. I really need those cuddles . Now I’m waiting for it to clear out of my system, last shot was on Thursday if i remember correctly and I’ve put the leftover vials at the bottom of the drawer for now. I never thought I’ll want a lower libido, this shit is unbearable. I forgot to mention I can’t really sleep more than 5-6 hours at night because I wake up with painfully skin splitting boners since this stuff started to manifest itself at it’s full potential.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Tried NPP for the first time, very low does, 150-200mg/w, 50mg EOD. I’ve introduced it mainly for joints and aches, which worked decent, can bench press again comfortably.
I didn’t plan ahead a total length of the run so after I’ve finished the first vial, I’ve popped another one as there were no side effects.
By the 10th week however this stuff started to show its fangs. I can’t describe it otherwise than simply being poisoned with a love potion.
I’ve never been so in love with my woman and we are together for a very long period of time, almost a decade. The libido is off the charts, the kink is off the charts and I also got some jealousy on her past relationship for the first time, sprinkled with some paranoia, but I can talk myself out of it knowing what’s flowing in my body.
My question is: Is this the effect of the brain being exposed to the compound for such a long time even if the dose was low?
I plan on running it again sometime but I’ll stick to max 5-6 weeks as the libido is simply unbearable, looking at her and not being able to touch her non-stop makes my wanna bite myself or run into a wall, and we cannot accommodate this based on our lifestyle and careers. Anyone else went through this? Also I feel a little less smart than usual but also way calmer and contained. Besides the libido part ofc.

PS: Full breakdown: 100mg test blend, 70mg mast p, 50mg npp eod.

Sounds like nandrolone! Yeah I get the same feelings on it. Hornier. Brain feels dumber.. You're running 175mg npp/week so not a small dose. Generally you only need 100mg deca to get the joint benefits. Npp anecdotally doesn't give quite as good of joint benefits as deca but it's still there. You could try lowering the dose to 33mg MWF or 50mg MTh. Phenylprop isn't as short of an ester as people think. Or if you're hooked on EOD then 30mg would get you to 105mg/week

 

[Psy-chonaut]

Sounds like nandrolone! Yeah I get the same feelings on it. Hornier. Brain feels dumber.. You're running 175mg npp/week so not a small dose. Generally you only need 100mg deca to get the joint benefits. Npp anecdotally doesn't give quite as good of joint benefits as deca but it's still there. You could try lowering the dose to 33mg MWF or 50mg MTh. Phenylprop isn't as short of an ester as people think. Or if you're hooked on EOD then 30mg would get you to 105mg/week

Wink wink -> I am running a small experiment with that in mind right now, trying to combine the esters with joint support In mind.....

So I had a run, where I advanced the dose up to 900mg deca in the past, and for what I remember, It didn't give that relief in my arthritis joints as I wanted...

But NPP at around 300 mg has been a saviour and a stable for me and my joints, seems to work better for me, but I've read the same thing about deca should be superior for joints....
..-so hello Deca, here we are again
Testing
2 X 100 mg deca pr. Week
3 X 75 mg Npp pr. week

2 weeks in I already notice a small change in my f.cked up elbows , the inflamed feeling after a push day is already shortened, PURE magic for my old joints.... I presume it's the Npp doing it's job, but let's see after 6-8 weeks when deca builds up, if it gets even better, I wish !...
I just LOVE a bit of Nandrolone for joints...

 

[xrayphoton13]

Wink wink -> I am running a small experiment with that in mind right now, trying to combine the esters with joint support In mind.....

So I had a run, where I advanced the dose up to 900mg deca in the past, and for what I remember, It didn't give that relief in my arthritis joints as I wanted...

But NPP at around 300 mg has been a saviour and a stable for me and my joints, seems to work better for me, but I've read the same thing about deca should be superior for joints....
..-so hello Deca, here we are again
Testing
2 X 100 mg deca pr. Week
3 X 75 mg Npp pr. week

2 weeks in I already notice a small change in my f.cked up elbows , the inflamed feeling after a push day is already shortened, PURE magic for my old joints.... I presume it's the Npp doing it's job, but let's see after 6-8 weeks when deca builds up, if it gets even better, I wish !...
I just LOVE a bit of Nandrolone for joints...

Nice. I'm interested to see what you find out. I was having some relief in my knee at 120mg deca but still not quite what I was hoping for so I came off for two months. My new experiment is daily 1mg BPC157/tb500 with 300mg npp weekly. Just started this week so too soon to tell yet

 

[pipo]

Is any explanation why deca is superior to npp for joints? Theoretically it's same substance but delivered a bit faster

 

[xrayphoton13]

Is any explanation why deca is superior to npp for joints? Theoretically it's same substance but delivered a bit faster

I've never seen one. That's just what everyone seems to say that's tried both. It would make you think maybe the decanoate ester plays a role but I've never heard of anyone running testosterone decanoate saying they get joint benefits. Though test d isn't that popular yet. But I'm sure that will change in the coming years since it can be brewed at 500mg/ml without pip or crashing. So maybe there's some synergy between nandrolone and the decanoate ester that phenylprop doesn't fully give

 

[desertchrome]

By the 10th week however this stuff started to show its fangs.

I just finished a blast with NPP for the first time and it really sank in around week 10, but I had opposite effects. Lethargy, mood swings, almost no desire to orgasm at all. Limited libido in general.

I started with Test + Mast for 4 weeks and brought in the NPP. Idea was that Mast could be in place to keep E sides and prolactin down, which I think worked, and to help with potential mood issues. At first it was great... workouts were amazing and everything felt good. But yeah by about week 10 of NPP (week 14 of the cycle) I was like fuck this shit. Rode it out another 2 weeks but happy to be back on a cruise tbh.