What is your opinion on Vigorous Steve?

[Bandern]

What’s funny is I liked his stuff *before* i started actually using PED’s.

Now that I actually use them I don’t find myself tuning in. It’s possible I’ve just become a mentally handicapped knuckle dragger but I don’t find the overly complicated approach useful or applicable in most cases

 

[AlexDavis43]

Wasn't this because Bayer discontinued primo, and Increlex was just an experiment? That's how I understood it.

He used to swear by only pharma grade... then started talking about money, how expensive everything is, and started talking about UGL more (being sure to mention Janoshik, of course lol)

He said the only reason he's not still on Increlex is because he can't afford it

I don't think it's a big deal or anything, just observations

I think he's just another goofy influencer. Same category as tren twins. He pushes and popularizes nonsense protocols for the sake of creating content. His co-collaborators will tell you that.

agree

Youtube content creators. It's like, an actual job now.

 

[unid888]

His rhythm of speech and intonation became very youtubey, which makes it very hard for me to listen to his deep-dive.
There is a reason a Uni professor doesn't speak in such a way.

I can't watch his videos from 3 years ago for the exact opposite reason, his NON youtubey voice which is super monotone and boring . I think there's a reason why youtubey voice is called that - better retention and interaction.

 

[unid888]

I think he's just another goofy influencer. Same category as tren twins. He pushes and popularizes nonsense protocols for the sake of creating content. His co-collaborators will tell you that.

Maybe for peptides, he uses doses that might be too low for many, and much lower than brand-name med. That was my case with pt141, for example.

But for gear, trt, trt+ I think they're solid and better than 99% of clinics or wherever people get their protocols from.

 

[Banana Joe]

I can't watch his videos from 3 years ago for the exact opposite reason, his NON youtubey voice which is super monotone and boring . I think there's a reaso why youtubey voice is called that - better retention and interaction.

Does "better retention and interaction" also mean better memorisation by the audience?

 

[unid888]

Does "better retention and interaction" also mean better memorisation by the audience?

I don't know, I don't think you need to memorise what Tadalafil's niche effects are. As long as you're getting some benefit from that info, it's already valuable.

 

[Banana Joe]

I don't know, I don't think you need to memorise what Tadalafil's niche effects are. As long as you're getting some benefit from that info, it's already valuable.

Then why watch a 55min deep dive on it?

 

[AlexDavis43]

Then why watch a 55min deep dive on it?

to kill time, maybe hear something for the first time

these aren't academic seminars, just entertainment

 

[adrenalytic]

to kill time, maybe hear something for the first time

these aren't academic seminars, just entertainment

Pretty much this. Sometimes nuggets drop out of ramblings and it's something to have on in the background while I'm cleaning or doing shit around the house.

 

[Eddie.]

Man, those latest deep dives are painful to watch. He basically forms a summary from myriads of studies and then he analyze what the pamphlet says. How is this gonna help you create a better cycle? It can't and you just wasted 1 hour listening to his perky stumbling voice.

I remember him talking trash about EQ, every time someone mentioned EQ in the chat he was "yeah, if you don't mind destroying your kidneys go on" while there's literally zero practical evidence that EQ is toxic, or more toxic than the other PEDS regarding kidneys. He was on a gram of EQ and a gram of test and blamed that for raising his HCT..although later he said he was eating 4 meals of beef per day lmao.

He swore he will never use tren again but he relapsed and took 25mg a week and mutated lol. I'll have a hard time trusting him again in whatever he says.

I asked him once if he ever used bold Cyp and how's the inflammation and he said "Yes it's gonna create inflammation but if you apply on the pinning area a purple cabbage leaf it will take away the infammation faster" lol, yeah dude..maybe i'll go to a priest to spray some holy water on the spot too.

 

[Banana Joe]

Man, those latest deep dives are painful to watch. He basically forms a summary from myriads of studies and then he analyze what the pamphlet says. How is this gonna help you create a better cycle? It can't and you just wasted 1 hour listening to his perky stumbling voice.

I remember him talking trash about EQ, every time someone mentioned EQ in the chat he was "yeah, if you don't mind destroying your kidneys go on" while there's literally zero practical evidence that EQ is toxic, or more toxic than the other PEDS regarding kidneys.

Don't get your panties in a bunch, man. This is not an academic seminar, just entertainment.

 

[Almoister]

Man, those latest deep dives are painful to watch. He basically forms a summary from myriads of studies and then he analyze what the pamphlet says. How is this gonna help you create a better cycle? It can't and you just wasted 1 hour listening to his perky stumbling voice.

I remember him talking trash about EQ, every time someone mentioned EQ in the chat he was "yeah, if you don't mind destroying your kidneys go on" while there's literally zero practical evidence that EQ is toxic, or more toxic than the other PEDS regarding kidneys. He was on a gram of EQ and a gram of test and blamed that for raising his HCT..although later he said he was eating 4 meals of beef per day lmao.

He swore he will never use tren again but he relapsed and took 25mg a week and mutated lol. I'll have a hard time trusting him again in whatever he says.

I asked him once if he ever used bold Cyp and how's the inflammation and he said "Yes it's gonna create inflammation but if you apply on the pinning area a purple cabbage leaf it will take away the infammation faster" lol, yeah dude..maybe i'll go to a priest to spray some holy water on the spot too.

The cabbage actually works i had insane pip and it helped a Lot put comes back u have to have it there whole time i was walking with freaking cabbage in my underwear LOL

 

[Eddie.]

Don't get your panties in a bunch, man. This is not an academic seminar, just entertainment.

Now it is, when i started doing research and didn't knew a thing i wanted to "trust" someone who hypothetically knows his shit and asks $3000 a month for coaching. Now i know i just fell on that trap, especially after seeing that even Todd Lee has a pretty big herd of dumbasses doing what he says.

At least thank God i got it pretty quickly.

The cabbage actually works i had insane pip and it helped a Lot put comes back u have to have it there whole time i was walking with freaking cabbage in my underwear LOL

LMAO hilarious! xD

 

[Banana Joe]

Now it is, when i started doing research and didn't knew a thing i wanted to "trust" someone who hypothetically knows his shit and asks $3000 a month for coaching. Now i know i just fell on that trap, especially after seeing that even Todd Lee has a pretty big herd of dumbasses doing what he says.

My criticism is the expression of wishing for it to be different, but as evident, most people don't seem to care about these self-proclaimed educators being held to a certain standard.
We're heading in this direction as a society in general, and therefore I guess we deserve it.

I still can't see why even someone, that never went to university, or has not finished his studies, should not strive for clear and concise information on any given subject. And I don't care if it applying make-up, woodworking or PEDs.
All this crap simply wastes my time, I would rather either spend less time, or learn more in the same time, about anything I am interested in, but as apparent, I seem to be in the minority.

And to stress: I think practical experience is worth more than being able to cite papers. I would rather get coached by someone knowing how to get big and ripped (while keeping health in check), than some guy putting links to 50 different papers in his video description, when he has just processed them with AI, or just read the abstract.

 

[David87]

Just like everything on the internet you take it with a grain of salt and as entertainment some of the doses he mentions don’t match up to what works with me but regardless I put him on in the background sometimes, what I don’t like about that though like with mpmd or others is that some of the videos in the algorithm end up being really old ass videos gotta find a way to make it so it shows only more recent ones

 

[unid888]

I remember him talking trash about EQ, every time someone mentioned EQ in the chat he was "yeah, if you don't mind destroying your kidneys go on"

Might have been a long time ago, the latest opinion is that EQ doesn't cause any damage in human studies when participants were on antioxidants, and is a good compound

 

[IndividualMan]

Might have been a long time ago, the latest opinion is that EQ doesn't cause any damage in human studies when participants were on antioxidants, and is a good compound

the Kidney toxicity I would expect with EQ is when:
constantly dehydrated (the rabbit study did not measure hydration)
no E2 (due to no endogenous test production & no aromatization into E2) (no Bunny TRT)
thick blood
Blood pressure (they did not have little bunny rabbit BP monitors)
and potential oxidative stress.

however, all of these things are preventable in our use cases.

 

[robrobrob]

Update, apparently primo is not anabolic no more, according to their latest round table.

 

[IndividualMan]

Update, apparently primo is not anabolic no more, according to their latest round table.

Kurt havens has been saying that primo is just a way to get more out of your test + look sick, he is consistent with his takes imo. Correct? maybe, maybe not. Consistent, definitely.

 

[Eddie.]

Kurt havens has been saying that primo is just a way to get more out of your test + look sick, he is consistent with his takes imo. Correct? maybe, maybe not. Consistent, definitely.

Right. VS is a test primo anavar GH insulin guy and Kurt test tren anadrol GH.