What do you think my BF% is?

[Deleted member 123722]

What do you think my current body fat is. I took these pics this morning.

I'm 5'11, weighing in today at 214lbs. I'm 38yrs old. Currently cutting at 2550 calories a day, which is putting me in a deficit of about 700-800 calories per day (-500 food, -100 gym, -200 cardio).

All measurements with no pump:

Neck: 16.5
Wrists: 7.5"
Waist: 36" (around belly button)

Chest/back circumference: 49"
Quads: 25"
Arms: left 17"; right 16.75" inch arms
Calves: 16"

 

[1tank1]

As a rough guess.....14 to 16 bro.....maybe even 18.

 

[lukiss96]

20+ % body fat is my guess. It's definitely not fat, but more like bulky/powerlifter condition.

In my opinion.

For comparison, I currently estimate myself to be 15-16% body fat which is fat for me...

I MAY BE WRONG, so more knowledgeable people can estimate it better

Sorry for the shit lighting and mirror, I'm currently in cramped up appartment... as I had to move due to my profession.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

As a rough guess.....14 to 16 bro.....maybe even 18.

Marc Lobliner estimated 18% as well.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Sucks because I bust my ass all this time, and I'm not even close to what I want to be... If I'm 18% bf, that means I have about 40lbs on my body, which means I have to lose another 20lbs to be 10% bf; in other words, another 20 weeks of cutting... I've been cutting since February!

 

[Deleted member 123722]

20+ % body fat is my guess. It's definitely not fat, but more like bulky/powerlifter condition.

In my opinion.

For comparison, I currently estimate myself to be 15-16% body fat which is fat for me...

I MAY BE WRONG, so more knowledgeable people can estimate it better

Sorry for the shit lighting and mirror, I'm currently in cramped up appartment... as I had to move due to my profession.

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It's interesting how you carry your fat compared to me: mines around my waist, where yours is around you arm/legs.

 

[1tank1]

Marc Lobliner estimated 18% as well.

It can be very difficult to ascertain true b/f% coz many bodyparts carry different fat amounts so an overall % is never gonna be 100% accurate.

You look solid/strong though bro so I wouldn't worry about it too much if I were you.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Thing is, what I'm doing now is certainly not sustainable, nor healthy, being that I've been on gear nonstop since February 21st; that's five months cycling, not to mention, taking T3 the entire time, and then addition of clen the last two months.

When I started my cut in Feb, I was 240lbs... So I lost about 26lbs this entire time period of 20 weeks. I could have been more aggressive with my cut, but I would have certainly lost muscle.

If I'm 18% bf now

then I must have been like 30%+ in this pic when I started in Feb.

I'm probably going to have to stop everything and go back on TRT and maybe just GH, with a tiny deficit of like 200 calories or so, and just workout normally. Then maybe run another deeper cut later on, using tren E again, which really helps me transform.

Last year I did a six-month recomp with just cyp 200 and tren e 200...I started at 260! All I did was "clean up" my diet, eating 3k a day, did no cardio, no t3, no clen, and this happened over nine months. Sure it's a long time, but it was easy as fuck.

I'm not going to lie, I'm a bit heart-broken; I've busted my ass and I'm on so much shit, its shameful I look like some dude who is barely trying. Granted, in the gym, I constantly get compliments: everyone says I look huge and learner, so I've clearly changed; perhaps I look better in person, but it's not enough to justify what I'm doing to myself. I'm so far from my goals, I don't see myself being able to sustain the gear, fat burners, cardio for another 20 weeks without a serious break. My strength has gone to shit, and the only time I felt amazing was during my diet breaks when I gained back like 15lbs and I broke a PR on shoulders lol.

The main reason I workout, is to deal with my PTSD as a combat veteran. I love the gym, as it is my sanctuary; I guess wanting to get ripped was just a goal I've never achieved, and perhaps maybe my genetics suck, and I will be difficult to get there; being 38 now doesn't make it any easier, either. Point is, I want to feel GOOD in the gym, and I don't anymore, and I'm not even lean enough to say I'm suffering from being too lean lol.

I honestly don't know what to fucking do anymore.

 

[lukiss96]

It's interesting how you carry your fat compared to me: mines around my waist, where yours is around you arm/legs.

Yeah, I carry mine mostly on my glutes and thighs/hamstrings.

Usually women do carry there Glad that I have broad shoulders and decent arms so it compensates.

 

[Country Club Hero]

Maybe your body is just tired of being in a deficit and beat up from training. Maybe drop down to TRT and 2-3iu GH for a couple months and then start a new, more aggressive cut after that.

and you can’t be too serious about cutting yet because I see no mention of DNP. DNP makes everything you have tried already look like child’s play. It’s great man. 2 weeks of being hot for eternal, shredded glory!

don’t get too down. Maybe you just haven’t found your sweet spot with cutting yet.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Maybe your body is just tired of being in a deficit and beat up from training. Maybe drop down to TRT and 2-3iu GH for a couple months and then start a new, more aggressive cut after that.

and you can’t be too serious about cutting yet because I see no mention of DNP. DNP makes everything you have tried already look like child’s play. It’s great man. 2 weeks of being hot for eternal, shredded glory!

don’t get too down. Maybe you just haven’t found your sweet spot with cutting yet.

I've tried DNP before; it wasn't all that scary as people think. I ran a dose of 400mg o day for two weeks or something, I forget. It really depleted my glycogen stores. I certainly didn't notice much from it because it was during covid and I wasn't doing shit other than taking that lol.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

@cassius @Mac11wildcat @MONSTRO1977 @Palifter @NBE want to see what you guys think of this all, since you guys compete and/or coach others.

What would be the best course of action for me at this point?

 

[Palifter]

I think the best answer might not be the one you necessarily want to hear and that is to seek out a coach. Someone you pay monthly and check in with weekly to hold you accountable and help you troubleshoot.

I have a roster of people I work with but being this close to a show, it’d be a disservice to personally take you on because my prep brain is in full swing. I can always give recommendations or we can link up post show.

In the end, you’ve made a ton of progress and you need to keep that in mind and celebrate that win. I’ve been cutting for about 18 weeks and went from 285 to 255 so I get the feeling of lethargy and worn down feelings. This is temporary, remember that. Live in the moment and make the most of it. It may very well be time to dial things back and look at the drawing board. Your T3 use alone exceeds mine for what it’s worth, less is more with T3 imo.

 

[Country Club Hero]

I've tried DNP before; it wasn't all that scary as people think. I ran a dose of 400mg o day for two weeks or something, I forget. It really depleted my glycogen stores. I certainly didn't notice much from it because it was during covid and I wasn't doing shit other than taking that lol.

Hmmm… if DNP didn’t rip you up then your genetics must have your body really wanting to hang on to fat stores. Or you had bad DNP. There’s nothing that compares to it so idk man. I don’t change diet or anything and DNP shreds me.

I totally understand your frustration with fat loss vs the amount of stuff you have taken though. But don’t stress it. Good luck with whatever you decide. Oh and ty for your service. For real.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I think the best answer might not be the one you necessarily want to hear and that is to seek out a coach. Someone you pay monthly and check in with weekly to hold you accountable and help you troubleshoot.

I have a roster of people I work with but being this close to a show, it’d be a disservice to personally take you on because my prep brain is in full swing. I can always give recommendations or we can link up post show.

In the end, you’ve made a ton of progress and you need to keep that in mind and celebrate that win. I’ve been cutting for about 18 weeks and went from 285 to 255 so I get the feeling of lethargy and worn down feelings. This is temporary, remember that. Live in the moment and make the most of it. It may very well be time to dial things back and look at the drawing board. Your T3 use alone exceeds mine for what it’s worth, less is more with T3 imo.

I have a few buddies who do coaching, and they get diced as fuck...One of my friends is Gabe Perea, who won the NPC East recently. He doesn't even use GH at all. Gabriel Perea | NPC News Online

But there is so much information where a coach isn't really needed, as even a coach won't know where to start with you, and it's all experimentation. The coach does alleviate the need to stress and doubt of what to do next, that's for sure. But I'm smart enough to acknowledge a problem and solve it; I do ask him shit from time to time to get some advice. I ask people and get a consensus, then compare it to my logic and experience. I'm not saying a coach is worthless, but I wouldn't pay for one unless I was a competitor who needed to do contest prep, which I don't need, and I don't know how to do.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Hmmm… if DNP didn’t rip you up then your genetics must have your body really wanting to hang on to fat stores. Or you had bad DNP. There’s nothing that compares to it so idk man. I don’t change diet or anything and DNP shreds me.

I totally understand your frustration with fat loss vs the amount of stuff you have taken though. But don’t stress it. Good luck with whatever you decide. Oh and ty for your service. For real.

It was real, but I didn't take it for long; I know it works no doubt.

 

[Demondosage]

Thing is, what I'm doing now is certainly not sustainable, nor healthy, being that I've been on gear nonstop since February 21st; that's five months cycling, not to mention, taking T3 the entire time, and then addition of clen the last two months.

When I started my cut in Feb, I was 240lbs... So I lost about 26lbs this entire time period of 20 weeks. I could have been more aggressive with my cut, but I would have certainly lost muscle.

If I'm 18% bf now View attachment 169711

then I must have been like 30%+ in this pic when I started in Feb. View attachment 169710

I'm probably going to have to stop everything and go back on TRT and maybe just GH, with a tiny deficit of like 200 calories or so, and just workout normally. Then maybe run another deeper cut later on, using tren E again, which really helps me transform.

Last year I did a six-month recomp with just cyp 200 and tren e 200...I started at 260! All I did was "clean up" my diet, eating 3k a day, did no cardio, no t3, no clen, and this happened over nine months. Sure it's a long time, but it was easy as fuck. View attachment 169712

I'm not going to lie, I'm a bit heart-broken; I've busted my ass and I'm on so much shit, its shameful I look like some dude who is barely trying. Granted, in the gym, I constantly get compliments: everyone says I look huge and learner, so I've clearly changed; perhaps I look better in person, but it's not enough to justify what I'm doing to myself. I'm so far from my goals, I don't see myself being able to sustain the gear, fat burners, cardio for another 20 weeks without a serious break. My strength has gone to shit, and the only time I felt amazing was during my diet breaks when I gained back like 15lbs and I broke a PR on shoulders lol.

The main reason I workout, is to deal with my PTSD as a combat veteran. I love the gym, as it is my sanctuary; I guess wanting to get ripped was just a goal I've never achieved, and perhaps maybe my genetics suck, and I will be difficult to get there; being 38 now doesn't make it any easier, either. Point is, I want to feel GOOD in the gym, and I don't anymore, and I'm not even lean enough to say I'm suffering from being too lean lol.

I honestly don't know what to fucking do anymore.

Come off cycle, let your body repair itself. Stick to TRT and I would do some green tea extract and yohimbe. Why green tea extract and yohimbe? Easy, it’s mild! It’s smooth and steady and mild! Let your body repair/recover and keep on with the deficit. You have good muscle volume, I wouldn’t give a rats ass abt losing strength

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I think the best answer might not be the one you necessarily want to hear and that is to seek out a coach. Someone you pay monthly and check in with weekly to hold you accountable and help you troubleshoot.

I have a roster of people I work with but being this close to a show, it’d be a disservice to personally take you on because my prep brain is in full swing. I can always give recommendations or we can link up post show.

In the end, you’ve made a ton of progress and you need to keep that in mind and celebrate that win. I’ve been cutting for about 18 weeks and went from 285 to 255 so I get the feeling of lethargy and worn down feelings. This is temporary, remember that. Live in the moment and make the most of it. It may very well be time to dial things back and look at the drawing board. Your T3 use alone exceeds mine for what it’s worth, less is more with T3 imo.

Also, what bf% do you think I'm at, since you coach people as well.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Come off cycle, let your body repair itself. Stick to TRT and I would do some green tea extract and yohimbe. Why green tea extract and yohimbe? Easy, it’s mild! It’s smooth and steady and mild! Let your body repair/recover and keep on with the deficit. You have good muscle volume, I wouldn’t give a rats ass abt losing strength

I'm thinking being in a deficit so long has been the issue, more than the gear, since it' just primo and var with my cyp... I take TRT for life anyway. The strength isn't an issue, since I'm not an ego lifter, but when you're losing a lot of strength, that could be an indicator of muscle lose. My arms have gone down nearly a half inch each.

 

[Albozz]

I didn't follow your log recently but it seems to me like your body is in a high cortisol state and your muscle tissue is slowly getting eaten up and fat loss stagnated a long time ago.You've been in a caloric deficit for 6 months now ,i think its time to wrap this up.Cortisol is the main enemy of bodybuilders in offseason and pre contest scenario,the longer you are in a caloric deficit the more cortisol will be released by your body as a response.This is why running winny for the last few weeks of a cut is must for every competitor,since it has the strongest anti-cortisol properties of all steroids.Imo you have 2 options left:1 End your diet and learn from your mistakes and try better next spring. 2 introduce winny at 50 mg each day for 3-4 weeks and go all out in the gym,cardio and nutrition. Edit: Definitely run 500mg of tudca and maybe citrus bergamot or gw1516 with it,winny is quite harsh on the liver and destroys your lipids.