Well Wise Supplements

[Talmad]

I’m sure you all will have no problems getting your orders, but I definitely want to see some user testing. Getting labeled vials and lack of transparency has me a little sketched. I talked to him privately last night for a while, and I think I feel a little better, but you can never trust until you test it. Trust but verify my friends.

Fill me in on transparency?! I have spoke with him several times and I’m like you the labels got me and I hope mine come unlabeled but I have used another vendor from the swtg and they been sending same bottles and I got some interesting blends from them. They have tests like wise. Also have Sus 500 and Tri test and many larger blends I have bought. Mark seems pretty transparent so far but I may missed something

 

[MarkWellWise]

Wow!
What a mission it has been to catch up with all my telegram, my mails and Meso after taking 2 semi days off!
Apologies to everyone for being a bit absent here and specially the clients who contacted me via email, everyone has now been responded, all trackings has been provided and I believe we are all up to date.

To continue with updates, we have had some issues with 4 orders that departed the warehouse the same day and were returned by HK customs, all clients were contacted and solution achieved, new trackings should be with me today.

To respond a bit to the paranoia that is going around here, and to also express some of the disappointment I feel in certain things I will use this opportunity.
Firstly, it's quite funny to read the post from @Sampei, my friend, I know who you are referring to, and trust me, we are different, my operation is different, my commitment is different, and you are here blaming me, for a business that went wrong with your friends, with no tangible proof, it's quite surprising this coming from you, a person who prices himself for supporting meso and making vendors accountable for what they are offering and blah blah blah, yet, you are creating paranoia among the community with rumours that have no reason to it.
To add to this, I also recognize those Dragon Pharma pills inside Legend labels. Being sold by Venom Labs locally in Europe.
That vendor who sold that GH is the same that sold those Anavar, this is when I clicked and tied a connection

So please stop creating this sense of conspiracy, because under no circumstances you would have the internal insight I got inside my business.


Furthermore, it kind of disappoint me that some people start bashing the product and me as a vendor, when I am offering exactly what everyone been craving in this space.
-In House testing
-reshipping policies
-Not crazy shipping fees
- fair prices for current market
- better quality
- Better communication
- Better transparency
- Refund money and product if product is bad
- Provide credit store if product is satisfactory
- feet pics

Yet, the paranoia grows and even tho the client have the option to test the product and be looked after from me for good or bad. Its easier to link me to other products or vendors.
Like @Photon calling me Hepius reseller after 2 posts

Funny!

To acknowledge about Livewell brand, of course I know live well, of course I know those pills from DP sold as Legends, and ofc I have access to Legends and other labels I source out of a factory that produces for well known brands, I was honest and open about it from my first post...

So yes, thanks to everyone who has supported me so far, and thanks to everyone who hasn't as well, specially to the ones that have doubted and tried to make us look bad, makes me even more focus to continue with my mission.

Thank you for your attention to this matter

Mark

 

[BALLISTIC]

Wow!
What a mission it has been to catch up with all my telegram, my mails and Meso after taking 2 semi days off!
Apologies to everyone for being a bit absent here and specially the clients who contacted me via email, everyone has now been responded, all trackings has been provided and I believe we are all up to date.

To continue with updates, we have had some issues with 4 orders that departed the warehouse the same day and were returned by HK customs, all clients were contacted and solution achieved, new trackings should be with me today.

To respond a bit to the paranoia that is going around here, and to also express some of the disappointment I feel in certain things I will use this opportunity.
Firstly, it's quite funny to read the post from @Sampei, my friend, I know who you are referring to, and trust me, we are different, my operation is different, my commitment is different, and you are here blaming me, for a business that went wrong with your friends, with no tangible proof, it's quite surprising this coming from you, a person who prices himself for supporting meso and making vendors accountable for what they are offering and blah blah blah, yet, you are creating paranoia among the community with rumours that have no reason to it.
To add to this, I also recognize those Dragon Pharma pills inside Legend labels. Being sold by Venom Labs locally in Europe.
That vendor who sold that GH is the same that sold those Anavar, this is when I clicked and tied a connection

So please stop creating this sense of conspiracy, because under no circumstances you would have the internal insight I got inside my business.


Furthermore, it kind of disappoint me that some people start bashing the product and me as a vendor, when I am offering exactly what everyone been craving in this space.
-In House testing
-reshipping policies
-Not crazy shipping fees
- fair prices for current market
- better quality
- Better communication
- Better transparency
- Refund money and product if product is bad
- Provide credit store if product is satisfactory
- feet pics

Yet, the paranoia grows and even tho the client have the option to test the product and be looked after from me for good or bad. Its easier to link me to other products or vendors.
Like @Photon calling me Hepius reseller after 2 posts

Funny!

To acknowledge about Livewell brand, of course I know live well, of course I know those pills from DP sold as Legends, and ofc I have access to Legends and other labels I source out of a factory that produces for well known brands, I was honest and open about it from my first post...

So yes, thanks to everyone who has supported me so far, and thanks to everyone who hasn't as well, specially to the ones that have doubted and tried to make us look bad, makes me even more focus to continue with my mission.

Thank you for your attention to this matter

Mark

Let’s slow this down and bring it back to reality.

Meso is one of the few legitimate forums left where claims are scrutinized, products are questioned, and accountability actually matters. That’s exactly why people like Sampei and Photon are respected here, they’ve put in the work, contributed real knowledge, and earned their credibility publicly, not in private Telegram BS regurgitation.

What’s being framed as “paranoia” is simply due diligence. That’s the standard on Meso. If that feels uncomfortable, it’s usually because something doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.

Spending most of your time on Telegram hustling newcomers and then popping into Meso only when challenged isn’t how reputations are built here. Telegram is easy hundreds of uncritical voices telling you everything is great.

Meso is different. Claims get questioned. Supply chains get dissected. Labels, pills, and sources get compared. That’s not hostility, that’s how this board has stayed relevant and credible for decades.

If someone consistently avoids Meso while leaning heavily on Telegram praise, it raises a fair question to transparency they’re avoiding, or accountability?

Nobody is owed blind trust here. You certainly aren't. Reputations are earned the hard way, over time, with consistency, evidence, and the willingness to be examined. Sampei and Photon didn’t get respect by asking for it; they got it by standing up to scrutiny.

That’s not conspiracy. That’s Meso doing what Meso has always done.

 

[MarkWellWise]

Let’s slow this down and bring it back to reality.

Meso is one of the few legitimate forums left where claims are scrutinized, products are questioned, and accountability actually matters. That’s exactly why people like Sampei and Photon are respected here, they’ve put in the work, contributed real knowledge, and earned their credibility publicly, not in private Telegram BS regurgitation.

What’s being framed as “paranoia” is simply due diligence. That’s the standard on Meso. If that feels uncomfortable, it’s usually because something doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.

Spending most of your time on Telegram hustling newcomers and then popping into Meso only when challenged isn’t how reputations are built here. Telegram is easy hundreds of uncritical voices telling you everything is great.

Meso is different. Claims get questioned. Supply chains get dissected. Labels, pills, and sources get compared. That’s not hostility, that’s how this board has stayed relevant and credible for decades.

If someone consistently avoids Meso while leaning heavily on Telegram praise, it raises a fair question to transparency they’re avoiding, or accountability?

Nobody is owed blind trust here. You certainly aren't. Reputations are earned the hard way, over time, with consistency, evidence, and the willingness to be examined. Sampei and Photon didn’t get respect by asking for it; they got it by standing up to scrutiny.

That’s not conspiracy. That’s Meso doing what Meso has always done.

I agree with this and if you go back into my posts you will see I was glad for both Sampei and Photon to be on my thread because I know the kind of value they bring, but when Sampei starts making claims that I am a certain Vendor who provided bad GH to his team, that brings no value if there is no real proof behind it.

About the rest of things you are mentioning you are right, and I totally agree with them.
My point goes to call me someone who I am not, I am not a Hepius reseller, and I am certainly not the person who Sampei mentions.

 

[Sampei]

Wow!
What a mission it has been to catch up with all my telegram, my mails and Meso after taking 2 semi days off!
Apologies to everyone for being a bit absent here and specially the clients who contacted me via email, everyone has now been responded, all trackings has been provided and I believe we are all up to date.

To continue with updates, we have had some issues with 4 orders that departed the warehouse the same day and were returned by HK customs, all clients were contacted and solution achieved, new trackings should be with me today.

To respond a bit to the paranoia that is going around here, and to also express some of the disappointment I feel in certain things I will use this opportunity.
Firstly, it's quite funny to read the post from @Sampei, my friend, I know who you are referring to, and trust me, we are different, my operation is different, my commitment is different, and you are here blaming me, for a business that went wrong with your friends, with no tangible proof, it's quite surprising this coming from you, a person who prices himself for supporting meso and making vendors accountable for what they are offering and blah blah blah, yet, you are creating paranoia among the community with rumours that have no reason to it.
To add to this, I also recognize those Dragon Pharma pills inside Legend labels. Being sold by Venom Labs locally in Europe.
That vendor who sold that GH is the same that sold those Anavar, this is when I clicked and tied a connection

So please stop creating this sense of conspiracy, because under no circumstances you would have the internal insight I got inside my business.


Furthermore, it kind of disappoint me that some people start bashing the product and me as a vendor, when I am offering exactly what everyone been craving in this space.
-In House testing
-reshipping policies
-Not crazy shipping fees
- fair prices for current market
- better quality
- Better communication
- Better transparency
- Refund money and product if product is bad
- Provide credit store if product is satisfactory
- feet pics

Yet, the paranoia grows and even tho the client have the option to test the product and be looked after from me for good or bad. Its easier to link me to other products or vendors.
Like @Photon calling me Hepius reseller after 2 posts

Funny!

To acknowledge about Livewell brand, of course I know live well, of course I know those pills from DP sold as Legends, and ofc I have access to Legends and other labels I source out of a factory that produces for well known brands, I was honest and open about it from my first post...

So yes, thanks to everyone who has supported me so far, and thanks to everyone who hasn't as well, specially to the ones that have doubted and tried to make us look bad, makes me even more focus to continue with my mission.

Thank you for your attention to this matter

Mark

Nice dissertation but quite ignoring what I said and just going on a tangent with a lot of rambling that wasn't the point of my post.

Did I ever say you were the same reseller? Did I ever implied in anyway you would act the same way at other reseller?

nope I didn't. What I said is that you are selling from. the same factory and you don't produce that HGH or any other products same as that other entity, you just resell from it.

THAT specific batch of HGH tested well the first week out of the fsctory then 3 weeks later multiple test from multiple different kit tested AWFUL.

so your: it's of the same quality rest assured is pure bullshit. It can be proved easily tho. Anyone that has a bronze crimp transparent top, send it to test and see for yourself.

we didn't buy from you true, we bought from another reseller that sell from the same fsctory you do, so excuse me but you can provide an excellent service and customer service, better labtest policy, I haven't even say a word about it but you can't provide a different product as you ain't a manufacturer, just a reseller and that batch is just shit.

so don't come in here with the same bullshit of everyonelse rest assured sir that batch is of the same quality.

NEIN! that kit is a leftover of a shit batch.

I didn't ask much from you didn't I? I asked to be honest that's it.

no paranoia here and you trying to shoot down my words calling it fear mongering is a low blow and a shitty one.

btw your fsctory produced awesome HGH the first time we bought it with a test same. As. The one you posted. Then when we retested the same HGH 3 weeks later, it had lost 3+% purity and had high dimer content.

overall if I had to choose I would still buy from. You vs all. Those other resellers that has your same fsctory plug, at least. You having a presence here can be held accountable unlike the others, just don't be a fake ass liar and be straight, rest assured is the same Quality my ass

 

[Sampei]

I agree with this and if you go back into my posts you will see I was glad for both Sampei and Photon to be on my thread because I know the kind of value they bring, but when Sampei starts making claims that I am a certain Vendor who provided bad GH to his team, that brings no value if there is no real proof behind it.

About the rest of things you are mentioning you are right, and I totally agree with them.
My point goes to call me someone who I am not, I am not a Hepius reseller, and I am certainly not the person who Sampei mentions.

I think you have reading comprehension issues. I never said you are the same reseller, you sell gear from the same. Place.. There are multiple reseller of that factory. You all resell the same items. Again you should learn to read before talking. Shit

 

[MarkWellWise]

I think you have reading comprehension issues. I never said you are the same reseller, you sell gear from the same. Place.. There are multiple reseller of that factory. You all resell the same items. Again you should learn to read before talking. Shit

You are right, I got defensive thinking you were directing an attack personally to me.
I hope you can accept my apologies.

 

[Wannabesamsulek]

Meso and some of the members are overly critical but that is a feature and not a bug. Keep it up Mark you are doing a great job. No plan is perfect from the start: it takes constant small steps and adjustments overtime to make a plan great. You simply can’t anticipate everything.

Some of the members have shit tier wording and a lot of their posts did sound accusatory without any evidence. You’re doing great work testing products, listening to feedback, and selling at a reasonable price. Keep up the transparency and you’ll be selling out your factory in no time.

 

[jung]

Nice dissertation but quite ignoring what I said and just going on a tangent with a lot of rambling that wasn't the point of my post.

Did I ever say you were the same reseller? Did I ever implied in anyway you would act the same way at other reseller?

nope I didn't. What I said is that you are selling from. the same factory and you don't produce that HGH or any other products same as that other entity, you just resell from it.

THAT specific batch of HGH tested well the first week out of the fsctory then 3 weeks later multiple test from multiple different kit tested AWFUL.

so your: it's of the same quality rest assured is pure bullshit. It can be proved easily tho. Anyone that has a bronze crimp transparent top, send it to test and see for yourself.

we didn't buy from you true, we bought from another reseller that sell from the same fsctory you do, so excuse me but you can provide an excellent service and customer service, better labtest policy, I haven't even say a word about it but you can't provide a different product as you ain't a manufacturer, just a reseller and that batch is just shit.

so don't come in here with the same bullshit of everyonelse rest assured sir that batch is of the same quality.

NEIN! that kit is a leftover of a shit batch.

I didn't ask much from you didn't I? I asked to be honest that's it.

no paranoia here and you trying to shoot down my words calling it fear mongering is a low blow and a shitty one.

btw your fsctory produced awesome HGH the first time we bought it with a test same. As. The one you posted. Then when we retested the same HGH 3 weeks later, it had lost 3+% purity and had high dimer content.

overall if I had to choose I would still buy from. You vs all. Those other resellers that has your same fsctory plug, at least. You having a presence here can be held accountable unlike the others, just don't be a fake ass liar and be straight, rest assured is the same Quality my ass

@MarkWellWise

1) Do you offer 98% guarantee with low dimer on this GH you are selling that tested so well?

2) If we ordered hundreds of kits, would you reship and eat that whole cost as part of your guarantee?

My understanding from reading your policy is that you would do the right thing and eat the cost and re-ship.

 

[aromatizer]

Wow!
What a mission it has been to catch up with all my telegram, my mails and Meso after taking 2 semi days off!
Apologies to everyone for being a bit absent here and specially the clients who contacted me via email, everyone has now been responded, all trackings has been provided and I believe we are all up to date.

To continue with updates, we have had some issues with 4 orders that departed the warehouse the same day and were returned by HK customs, all clients were contacted and solution achieved, new trackings should be with me today.

To respond a bit to the paranoia that is going around here, and to also express some of the disappointment I feel in certain things I will use this opportunity.
Firstly, it's quite funny to read the post from @Sampei, my friend, I know who you are referring to, and trust me, we are different, my operation is different, my commitment is different, and you are here blaming me, for a business that went wrong with your friends, with no tangible proof, it's quite surprising this coming from you, a person who prices himself for supporting meso and making vendors accountable for what they are offering and blah blah blah, yet, you are creating paranoia among the community with rumours that have no reason to it.
To add to this, I also recognize those Dragon Pharma pills inside Legend labels. Being sold by Venom Labs locally in Europe.
That vendor who sold that GH is the same that sold those Anavar, this is when I clicked and tied a connection

So please stop creating this sense of conspiracy, because under no circumstances you would have the internal insight I got inside my business.


Furthermore, it kind of disappoint me that some people start bashing the product and me as a vendor, when I am offering exactly what everyone been craving in this space.
-In House testing
-reshipping policies
-Not crazy shipping fees
- fair prices for current market
- better quality

Better quality would start with proper C8/C10 MCT oil, not cut with palm oil or unfractionated.

 

[hfdfyrefytr]

So, you started this thread saying that you have 10 years experience in this market and that you are not here to compete on price, but on quality alone.
Then the COA's start rolling and there are quite a few misses in oils and pills being underdosed. Wild variation on pills as well.
Then we find out it is not pure MCT oil.
Then you post tests for your GH that looks absolutely great, but then we find out that those are not actually what you are sending out.
Then we find out you are still trying to work out the logistics of sending these packages. For a company with 10 years of experience, shouldn't that already be solid?
Then you send oils with a different company's stickers on the vials.

This seems like an utter disaster.

I am not sure what to think of all this. You are very well spoken and very polite, so you do have an upside...

 

[Inkniron87]

I’m definetly puzzled by the supposed to have so much stock ready to go and tests an HGH batch that isnt even being sent to people on the forum. How in the hell do you expect that to go over well?

 

[Sampei]

So, you started this thread saying that you have 10 years experience in this market and that you are not here to compete on price, but on quality alone.
Then the COA's start rolling and there are quite a few misses in oils and pills being underdosed. Wild variation on pills as well.
Then we find out it is not pure MCT oil.
Then you post tests for your GH that looks absolutely great, but then we find out that those are not actually what you are sending out.
Then we find out you are still trying to work out the logistics of sending these packages. For a company with 10 years of experience, shouldn't that already be solid?
Then you send oils with a different company's stickers on the vials.

This seems like an utter disaster.

I am not sure what to think of all this. You are very well spoken and very polite, so you do have an upside...

He has the potential to do well, has the factory he works with has the means to pump out quality products the problem is... Can he sway the upper management in producing consistently good quality products?

Hard to say and that will need to be proved.

Their oils and orals were great, to be honest oils have always tested well, orals had some hiccups and GH had big hiccups but like I said they have the capacity to produce good stuff it depends if they want to be a solid quality manufacturer or just the run of the mill hit and miss we have seen it come and go for a while.

I mean take QSC, I don't have any love for them but on average for a while for the volume they were moving they had consistency, take Uther he is even better, he tests everything and 96% of the time the products are always great and when they are not, he recalls or replace everything.

There are no shenanigans, no bullshit, is straight forward.

Will Mark be able to do the same? Who knows... I don't have issue with him personally, what I have issue is when you lie on the products you are sending out or when you show one labtest but then clients receives the old stock of a batch that was a failure.

I mean we want transparency, that's what we are looking for. We have already plenty of shady shitty Chinese sources where we can run a dice and hope for the best.

 

[dick_starbuck]

Better quality would start with proper C8/C10 MCT oil, not cut with palm oil or unfractionated.

Good luck with that coming from a CN bulk oil spot bro lol.

Im just happy if I dont find much human hair in it. Or any of the other debris ive come to expect in hepius made bulk naked vials.