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[Photon]

Im sorry, im lost.
What are we talking about here?
Are you saying you are using Miglyol 812?

This is your TC GCMS..

Janoshik Analytical

We have plenty of vendors on this board using 812.
Spec sheet of 812..

https://www.ioioleo.de/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/IOI_Spotlights_Pharma_WEB.pdf

Only C8/C10, no vegetable oil components


Oleic and Octad are veg oils, not c8/c10

Pure MCT, QSC
Janoshik Analytical


Hepius, SSA

Janoshik Analytical

We have many vendors on this board using either 812 or pure mct oils, i can send you some gcms if you'd like, all do not have octad, palm, oleic, hexa components. Those aren't mct components.

Or we can just move on, i dont see this as an issue at all.
As mentioned by other members, anyone can use similar oils, doesn't mean they are Hepius or whatever.

And thank you for doing the gcms.

 

[Sampei]

@Photon My friend, I just wanted to reach out to assure you that we do not share any relationship with Hepius at all, not even the same factory.
With that said, I have emailed Janoshik today to provide a bit of background about the findings you guys mention on the previous post.

My understanding is that Palmitoleic acid is a naturally occurring monounsaturated fatty acid,
cis-9-hexadecenoic acid
Found naturally in:
MCT blends
Coconut oil
Palm oil
Cottonseed oil
Human fat tissue
Dairy fat
It’s literally part of normal human biology.

Now, this is where the confusion may rise, and this is why I asked @janoshik via email for some insight, it may be helpful.
There is another fatty acid named 9-hexadecenoic acid on the reports, this is same molecule but different ID library hit, meaning that they are different.
Combined they produce about 3% of fatty acid profile from the MCT oil itself, which for what I have been explained by the Manufacturer manager, up to 6% is acceptable in high grade pharmaceutical MCT oil.
Now he also made the difference to me about highly refined MCT oil, which would normally contain no more than 1% of these fatty acids.

He said that 3% is well withing the pharmaceutical grade standards and if we were to test any medicine from Pharma-grade like Pfizer, Bayer, Organon injectables we would find them in similar concentrations.

I did some research myself as well, and I came up with the following standards, this may be helpful to understand for all of us (remember I am also learning about all this as I go)

Why MCT-style oils show more fatty-acid background
Fractionated coconut carriers are made by:
Hydrolyzing natural oils
Rebuilding triglycerides from selected chains
Distilling fractions
This process leaves:
Slightly more mono- and diglycerides
Slightly more free fatty acids
So instead of 0.3–0.8% background (sesame oil), you see:
2–4% total lipid background in MCT systems
This is completely normal for:
Miglyol-type oils
Caprylic/capric triglycerides
Medium-chain ester carriers
Pharma-grade Miglyol 812 itself contains:
~96–98% triglycerides
~2–4% partial glycerides + fatty acids
Exactly what your report is showing.

if someone here is more knowledgeable i would appreciate their input, it help us all to become better

Thanks

Yeah i don't think so lol

Check out this GCMS of pharmaceutical grade MCT

Your manager is full of shit and your AI too xD

 

[Sampei]

No, that's not a give away. It's not a vegetable blend.

Here's the thing, MCT oil doesn't just come from coconuts.

Those oils that you are seeing which @Photon said are caused by them mixing it with vegetable oils in another thread, is actually MCT oil coming from a species of palm.

This is also the reason why people who want to be completely sure there's no traces of palm in their food, get these type of oils:

MenaQ7® Palm-Free MCT Oil

Wtf are you talking about, mig812 is made with both palm and coconut oil and it will never show that wag on a GCMS.

Rising this dick into the sunset I see.

Nice try clown

 

[MarkWellWise]

This is your TC GCMS..

Janoshik Analytical

View attachment 374373

We have plenty of vendors on this board using 812.
Spec sheet of 812..

https://www.ioioleo.de/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/IOI_Spotlights_Pharma_WEB.pdf

Only C8/C10, no vegetable oil components
View attachment 374375

Oleic and Octad are veg oils, not c8/c10

Pure MCT, QSC
Janoshik Analytical
View attachment 374376

Hepius, SSA

Janoshik Analytical

View attachment 374380

We have many vendors on this board using either 812 or pure mct oils, i can send you some gcms if you'd like, all do not have octad, palm, oleic, hexa components. Those aren't mct components.

Or we can just move on, i dont see this as an issue at all.
As mentioned by other members, anyone can use similar oils, doesn't mean they are Hepius or whatever.

And thank you for doing the gcms.

Hey!
Sorry I did not intended to indicate that we use 812, I was passing the information I got told.
As I stated before I am also learning as I go, it's very different to whole sell a brand that is already established compared to blank vials and pills.

I have also emailed Janoshik asking for more insight about why this could happen.
With the results you put in there I think it's clear that there is a pattern with the kind of oils coming out of my country and it would be interesting to learn why this is happening to see if somehow we could potentially improve it.

For the records, I take your comments very constructively as I feel you are trying to educate instead of taking the piss and I appreciate that.

Yeah i don't think so lol

Check out this GCMS of pharmaceutical grade MCT

Your manager is full of shit and your AI too xD

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Hey man! Basically same thing as above! I did not intended to say we use Mig812, I have always stated we use pharmaceutical grade MCT oil and was sharing what was provided to me by the manager and also AI.

AND perhaps you are right! My manager is shit and a conversation is on the way, but before I have that conversation it would be great for me to learn more of this so I can have some bases to come at him lol.

My side of the business is that of expanding and selling, but everything related to the "how" to the standards that is expected from the Meso community is new for me


Anyways I appreciate you all who are trying your best to contribute in a positive way

 

[Sampei]

Hey!
Sorry I did not intended to indicate that we use 812, I was passing the information I got told.
As I stated before I am also learning as I go, it's very different to whole sell a brand that is already established compared to blank vials and pills.

I have also emailed Janoshik asking for more insight about why this could happen.
With the results you put in there I think it's clear that there is a pattern with the kind of oils coming out of my country and it would be interesting to learn why this is happening to see if somehow we could potentially improve it.

For the records, I take your comments very constructively as I feel you are trying to educate instead of taking the piss and I appreciate that.


Hey man! Basically same thing as above! I did not intended to say we use Mig812, I have always stated we use pharmaceutical grade MCT oil and was sharing what was provided to me by the manager and also AI.

AND perhaps you are right! My manager is shit and a conversation is on the way, but before I have that conversation it would be great for me to learn more of this so I can have some bases to come at him lol.

My side of the business is that of expanding and selling, but everything related to the "how" to the standards that is expected from the Meso community is new for me


Anyways I appreciate you all who are trying your best to contribute in a positive way

Pharmaceutical MCT is mig812 xD
But let's forget about mig812 ok?

ANY PURE MCT OIL not even pharmaceutical, I'm talking simple foodgrade c8/c10 would have the same GCMS I posted.

Yours is not MCT, very far from. Pharmaceutical. Yours is a blend of MCT and vegetable oils.

I would hypothetically still buy from you then from all those other Chinese sources but you can't claim you are using pharmaceutical MCT, that's not even pure simple MCT.

Btw I don't buy oils so I have no bias. Just stating facts

 

[MarkWellWise]

Pharmaceutical MCT is mig812 xD
But let's forget about mig812 ok?

ANY PURE MCT OIL not even pharmaceutical, I'm talking simple foodgrade c8/c10 would have the same GCMS I posted.

Yours is not MCT, very far from. Pharmaceutical. Yours is a blend of MCT and vegetable oils.

I would hypothetically still buy from you then from all those other Chinese sources but you can't claim you are using pharmaceutical MCT, that's not even pure simple MCT.

Btw I don't buy oils so I have no bias. Just stating facts

Thanks man appreciate it real! I will get back to you all!

 

[OldmemberNewcuenta]

"we sell to huge companies so we can only sell whats perfected with the absoolute highest. standards"

in veggie oil with 30% variances in tested gear. yikes!

 

[AlexDavis43]

@Photon My friend, I just wanted to reach out to assure you that we do not share any relationship with Hepius at all, not even the same factory.
With that said, I have emailed Janoshik today to provide a bit of background about the findings you guys mention on the previous post.

My understanding is that Palmitoleic acid is a naturally occurring monounsaturated fatty acid,
cis-9-hexadecenoic acid
Found naturally in:
MCT blends
Coconut oil
Palm oil
Cottonseed oil
Human fat tissue
Dairy fat
It’s literally part of normal human biology.

Now, this is where the confusion may rise, and this is why I asked @janoshik via email for some insight, it may be helpful.
There is another fatty acid named 9-hexadecenoic acid on the reports, this is same molecule but different ID library hit, meaning that they are different.
Combined they produce about 3% of fatty acid profile from the MCT oil itself, which for what I have been explained by the Manufacturer manager, up to 6% is acceptable in high grade pharmaceutical MCT oil.
Now he also made the difference to me about highly refined MCT oil, which would normally contain no more than 1% of these fatty acids.

He said that 3% is well withing the pharmaceutical grade standards and if we were to test any medicine from Pharma-grade like Pfizer, Bayer, Organon injectables we would find them in similar concentrations.

I did some research myself as well, and I came up with the following standards, this may be helpful to understand for all of us (remember I am also learning about all this as I go)

Why MCT-style oils show more fatty-acid background
Fractionated coconut carriers are made by:
Hydrolyzing natural oils
Rebuilding triglycerides from selected chains
Distilling fractions
This process leaves:
Slightly more mono- and diglycerides
Slightly more free fatty acids
So instead of 0.3–0.8% background (sesame oil), you see:
2–4% total lipid background in MCT systems
This is completely normal for:
Miglyol-type oils
Caprylic/capric triglycerides
Medium-chain ester carriers
Pharma-grade Miglyol 812 itself contains:
~96–98% triglycerides
~2–4% partial glycerides + fatty acids
Exactly what your report is showing.

if someone here is more knowledgeable i would appreciate their input, it help us all to become better

Thanks

Yeah i don't think so lol

Check out this GCMS of pharmaceutical grade MCT

Your manager is full of shit and your AI too xD

View attachment 374388

This is your TC GCMS..

Janoshik Analytical

View attachment 374373

We have plenty of vendors on this board using 812.
Spec sheet of 812..

https://www.ioioleo.de/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/IOI_Spotlights_Pharma_WEB.pdf

Only C8/C10, no vegetable oil components
View attachment 374375

Oleic and Octad are veg oils, not c8/c10

Pure MCT, QSC
Janoshik Analytical
View attachment 374376

Hepius, SSA

Janoshik Analytical

View attachment 374380

We have many vendors on this board using either 812 or pure mct oils, i can send you some gcms if you'd like, all do not have octad, palm, oleic, hexa components. Those aren't mct components.

Or we can just move on, i dont see this as an issue at all.
As mentioned by other members, anyone can use similar oils, doesn't mean they are Hepius or whatever.

And thank you for doing the gcms.

Oleic acid coming in at 0.56-0.82 AUC can't be used to pinpoint carrier oil, not even close

 

[gainslol]

Wtf are you talking about, mig812 is made with both palm and coconut oil and it will never show that wag on a GCMS.

Rising this dick into the sunset I see.

Nice try clown

Nobody was talking about mig812. In fact, I had already asked him that, literally on the first page:

what type of MCT oil do you use? Miglyol or something else?

To which he already replied:

Sorry i missed this one!
We use high grade pharmaceutical grace MCT oil.

I know reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, so try to put your finger under every word, slowly. Then read the words one by one, it will be easier for you.

 

[Sampei]

Nobody was talking about mig812. In fact, I had already asked him that, literally on the first page:



To which he already replied:



I know reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, so try to put your finger under every word, slowly. Then read the words one by one, it will be easier for you.

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You can't even read dumb cunt and you are proving it not once but twice.

Your understanding of these things is below sub retarded level.

MCT is made from palm as well? Yeah? And why pure MCT made from palm oil doesnt show anything different from a pure MCT oil?
Because it doesn't fucking matter if it comes from palm or coconut, you idiot.

Pure MCT is pure MCT.

This is not pure MCT, it's a blend of vegetables oils

Re read what I wrote and if you can still. Not understand it maybe we will make a drawing for you.

Pharmaceutical MCT is mig812 xD
But let's forget about mig812 ok?

ANY PURE MCT OIL not even pharmaceutical, I'm talking simple foodgrade c8/c10 would have the same GCMS I posted.

Yours is not MCT, very far from. Pharmaceutical. Yours is a blend of MCT and vegetable oils.

I would hypothetically still buy from you then from all those other Chinese sources but you can't claim you are using pharmaceutical MCT, that's not even pure simple MCT.

Btw I don't buy oils so I have no bias. Just stating facts

You don't even understand what is mig812.

Let's say it again: NOT EVEN PURE MCT C8/C10 FOOD GRADE WOULD SHOW A GCMS LIKE THAT.

So there is:
industrial grade
Foodgrade
Pharmaceutical grade

He said: we use mct pharmaceutical grade.

Well they don't you dumb cunt or it would show a different GCMS like the one we have shown twice already, check out QSC pure MCT GCMS, oh look is the same as any other pure MCT GCMS.

Anymore excuses? Wanna keep sucking that cock? Good you must be poor as hell

Do you understand it? Want me to spell it for you?

Now call mommy and tell her what a good clown you have been today

 

[rmhla]

Grabbing popcorn slides recliner back just abit

 

[Photon]

Oleic acid coming in at 0.56-0.82 AUC can't be used to pinpoint carrier oil, not even close

It's a qualitative gcms

 

[Lilpiggy]

Soooooo is the mast and primo good to go LOL

 

[lucario]

For those of us unfamiliar with carriers and solvents ratios, could someone please explain the overall quality of these oils? Like is there a problem with an MCT-veggie mix?

 

[SmallTitsIRL]

For those of us unfamiliar with carriers and solvents ratios, could someone please explain the overall quality of these oils? Like is there a problem with an MCT-veggie mix?

Problem? Not really, it's better than some other Chinese oils. Best quality/Pharma Grade? Hard to believe, but likely not far from it.

I'd say g2g.

I've pinned Hepius/Stromusc which is know to contain vegetable oil and my bloodwork was normal.

 

[jason3940]

I'll be placing a test order with them, I have a stock of GH and test for the next 5 years. What do you guys wanna see?

I'll later send it for testing to check if it is good.

EQ , Mast E , Tren E would be good to see results on these

 

[Missingintheabyss]

EQ , Mast E , Tren E would be good to see results on these

I know vendor tests don't hold the same weight but janos have been posted by mark for those three. Gcms for mast e only though, out of those three

 

[SmallTitsIRL]

EQ , Mast E , Tren E would be good to see results on these

You cane too late, I got EQ, primo and npp. EQ and NPP being the most problematic from other vendors, and primo cause its rare

 

[Gymjunkie70]

Why not order from China warehouse? He has a free reship policy if anything happens.

He sent me a US price list and then he said U.S.A. warehouse was unavailable.I ordered through him anyways from china

 

[craigdt]

Problem? Not really, it's better than some other Chinese oils. Best quality/Pharma Grade? Hard to believe, but likely not far from it.

I'd say g2g.

I've pinned Hepius/Stromusc which is know to contain vegetable oil and my bloodwork was normal.

I've used a lot of hepius/stromusc.

When I do, I skip eating my veggies cuz it has vegetable oil in it.