Well boys… might be the end of gear for me.

[Type-IIx]

Well fml.
Thought I was doing ok.

Was walking back up to my apartment. Vision got very weird and tremors kicked in.
Caught my blood sugar crashing. Out of nowhere. Felt very weak. Checked my blood sugar immediately
60, 57, 55

Reached out to my mother. For some medical history.
She got her thyroid removed for
Multinodular Goiter (lumps in her thyroid)
Was talking about my symptoms and she said she shared a lot of them. Also seemed to be stronger very conveniently after being on ADHD meds, which I also have been (last year) whether those had a direct effect, who knows.

Grandma, aunt, and mother have thyroid issues. Cool.

Either way the Doctor(s) are gonna have a fun time with me lmao

Yall may feel bullet proof on gear and or feeling real healthy. But man. All this shit came out of nowhere. Had some random illnesses here and there. But this stuff…Really came hard and out of nowhere. Stay safe yall. Keep up on your labs and check ups.

keep yall posted on what the doctor says. For knowledge and what not on the forum.
Appreciate yall.

I wish you the best! Tbf, I seriously doubt any nexus between this and gear. They’re too attenuated in time and cause it seems to me. This basically isn’t something gear really does, and it’s been a while since you even blasted right?

Are you taking any GLP-1 drugs? Those /do/ need to be met with a dose reduction if on gear because of its insulin sensitizing effects

 

[Tbaz192]

I wish you the best! Tbf, I seriously doubt any nexus between this and gear. They’re too attenuated in time and cause it seems to me. This basically isn’t something gear really does, and it’s been a while since you even blasted right?

Are you taking any GLP-1 drugs? Those /do/ need to be met with a dose reduction if on gear because of its insulin sensitizing effects

Yeah doubt it’s gear related given the issues. Something is just off in my body.

Last major blast was 5-6 months ago.
Being Test / EQ / adrol
Ran it for 6 weeks or so. EQ made me have some very depressing thoughts. And shot my RBC up pretty quick. So I dropped everything. Eventually working back down to my TRT levels and relatively normal labs

No GLP-1 drugs.

 

[Red Bastard]

Wishing you the best in this crappy situation!
And, hopefully you get some solid answers, and a way back to better health.

 

[egruberman]

Can you explain logically, without emotions , why you believe that ?

I believe that anti-vaxxers are intolerable, because of my experiences with anti-vaxxers. You see, I concluded that I couldn't tolerate them based on the fact that I had difficulty tolerating them. Seems an easy deduction to make.

The next question you may ask is what, specifically I had difficulty tolerating. I would supply an answer, but I'm not sure one is necessary, because you've already done a fine job demonstrating what I find difficult to tolerate.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

I believe that anti-vaxxers are intolerable, because of my experiences with anti-vaxxers. You see, I concluded that I couldn't tolerate them based on the fact that I had difficulty tolerating them. Seems an easy deduction to make.

The next question you may ask is what, specifically I had difficulty tolerating. I would supply an answer, but I'm not sure one is necessary, because you've already done a fine job demonstrating what I find difficult to tolerate.

Is everybody who is skeptical about the C19 shots an “anti-vaxxer” in your mind? Just curious, how many covid jabs did you get?

Just saying, but someone skeptical of C19 vaccines may still support other vaccines, such as those for measles or polio, but have concerns about the COVID shots due to factors like their rapid development, novel mRNA technology, or potential side effects.

My wife and I are currently trying to determine which vaccines to allow the hospital to give our newborn. We’re going as deep as specific brands / manufacturers to limit what we perceive is risk to our baby.

What vaccines would you disallow initially in the hospital for a newborn, if any?

 

[Muscles’]

You bring a good topic @Trenbolonetax

I’ve recieved vaccines as a new born / child growing up (I didn’t have much a choice , as I was just a newborn/child and it was my parents&doctors decisions, but i believe they were

Hep b
Mmr
Dtap
Pcv
Hpv
Men b
Hep a

When people hear you decided against the jab they automatically assume you’re an anti vaxxer , conspiracy theorist, and they get angry at you and may even try to refer to you as a vegan.

maybe they regret the jab themselves ?

 

[Trenbolonetax]

You bring a good topic @Trenbolonetax

It seemed like a reasonable medium to do so.

I’ve recieved vaccines as a new born / child growing up (I didn’t have much a choice , as I was just a newborn/child and it was my parents&doctors decisions, but i believe they were

Yep, I've received the typical ones as well that any kid growing up would have (I'm ~30).

When people hear you decided against the jab they automatically assume you’re an anti vaxxer , conspiracy theorist, and they get angry at you and may even try to refer to you as a vegan.

I don't think that is always the case, but it is certainly the case quite a bit of the time. I'm probably labeled a conspiracy theorist based on my overall views, but that's okay, I'm comfortable with it and don't really care.

maybe they regret the jab themselves ?

There's a new addition to the DSM-IV of psychiatric disorders, it is abbreviated C19V-R, meaning COVID19 Vaccine Regret. Lol.

 

[Tbaz192]

Wishing you the best in this crappy situation!
And, hopefully you get some solid answers, and a way back to better health.

At the doctors office now *fingers crossed* it’s something stupid

 

[Tbaz192]

BP just came back at 167
Oxygen was normal
Temp normal

They’re wanting to do an EKG right now

Waiting for doctor to come and say more

 

[Ghoul]

BP just came back at 167
Oxygen was normal
Temp normal

They’re wanting to do an EKG right now

Waiting for doctor to come and say more

If they prescribe a BP med, and it's lower dose multiple drug combo like ARB/CCB (as it ought to be based on current guidelines), ask if it's available as a single pill combo,

My experience is that docs will often by default prescribe them separately, as it's cheaper for uninsured patients.

Presumably you're insured, so that shouldn't be a factor.

 

[Tbaz192]

So update. Appointment is done.
Some obvious stuff happened.
She addressed all my symptoms and issues. Went in depth & asked a lot of questions.

EKG was normal.
Need to check my blood pressure regularly to keep track for the BP med.

My BP went from 167 down to 140
She prescribed me Lisinopril (10mg) to start
Since my BP went down and I’m already having dizzy spells and blood sugar issues. Don’t want to make my weakness or dizzy spells worse with drastic BP drop.
Adjust dose as needed or change meds based on response.

As far as the chest pain.
an immediate referral to a cardiologist
Most likely to wear a monitor all day to check my heart for any issues, blockage, etc.
and to do whatever they deem necessary.

If that comes back all normal. We’re moving on to checking my stomach and other things to see if it’s pain from my stomach just isolated near my chest

Got labs pulled for
CBC with differential
Comprehensive metabolic
E2 / Test
A1C
Lipids
TSH /Thyroid

Which my guess things are going to come back pretty skewed based on my symptoms

As far as the blood sugar we’re waiting for labs. And was told to obviously stay hydrated and make sure I’m eating enough and frequently. No big large cheat meals since I might be having reactive hypoglycemia
And to keep sugar/snacks on me at all times.

Probably missing stuff. But yeah that’s the most of it.

I feel relatively okay sitting down. Also still fasted. So I’m going to eat very clean smaller meals thru the day & Monitor my glucose.

Staying out of the gym and away from strenuous things.

 

[egruberman]

Is everybody who is skeptical about the C19 shots an “anti-vaxxer” in your mind? Just curious, how many covid jabs did you get?

Skeptical of what, precisely? Individual benefit? Collective benefit? Side effects? What are you skeptical of? In answer to your question, is that I would likely presume that anyone "skeptical" of a vaccine might be an anti-vaxxer.

Ultimately, the vaccines for Covid and all others have to be considered from a public health perspective. If there is any risk at all associated with being vaccinated and herd immunity is sufficiently high, then the only rational choice is to not get vaccinated. It's a typical prisoner's dilemma.

As such, any outrage over the fact that some few individuals may experience issues have to be balanced with the consideration of what public health benefit may arise from having the vaccine. In the case of C19, the vaccine slowed the pace of the pandemic sufficient to allow the health care system to address the needs of those most at risk.

Just saying, but someone skeptical of C19 vaccines may still support other vaccines, such as those for measles or polio, but have concerns about the COVID shots due to factors like their rapid development, novel mRNA technology, or potential side effects.

Support? This ain't a football team. Your decision to have a vaccine is a personal one based on your own assessment of risk and tolerance for risk. Unfortunately, most folks aren't well equipped to understand probability well and tend to overstate risks because of typical human emotional bias. I encourage people to make that personal decision while also considering the impact to herd immunity. I also encourage people to keep quiet about it. The issue is not so much the idea of making a rational choice that diverges from the common belief, but loudly expressing one's feelings on the topic. Thus the vegan reference earlier. How do you know someone is a vegan? Don't worry, they'll tell you.

It's fair for anyone to do a reasoned analysis of risk when being asked to undergo vaccination. You are correct in that the technology is novel, the approval was rapid and there are potential side effects. Is this of particular concern? Given the number of people that were vaccinated, and the number of reports of harm, I think not.

My wife and I are currently trying to determine which vaccines to allow the hospital to give our newborn. We’re going as deep as specific brands / manufacturers to limit what we perceive is risk to our baby.

I support you in that endeavor. The vaccination schedule for newborns is needlessly aggressive. If you have the opportunity to keep your infant isolated for some time, then it may be a healthier alternative to proceed at a slower pace. Unfortunately, there's recently been a measles death in Texas, which suggests that the herd immunity is weakening somewhat.

What vaccines would you disallow initially in the hospital for a newborn, if any?

For my kid, I waited until I felt there was a distinct need, i.e. the chances of exposure for the particular ailment being vaccinated for became more likely.

When people hear you decided against the jab they automatically assume you’re an anti vaxxer , conspiracy theorist, and they get angry at you and may even try to refer to you as a vegan.

maybe they regret the jab themselves ?

Generally, people that refer to it as "the jab" quickly establish that they are both anti-vax and have a poor understanding of statistics. I am not angry, but I do have a desire to prevent fools from spreading misinformation.

As for regret, I'm lost. Why would I have any regret?

 

[Muscles’]

Those adhd meds will throw u too… vyvance, addies… its an upper and u can crash down hard

been on prescribed amphetamines for over a decade.

Interestingly enough, the only time id forget doses or tell myself I don’t need the afternoon dose was when I was on tren or npp.

 

[Tbaz192]

Yall I appreciate the help and talk

But for the love of god, can yall take the Jab vaccine talk else where?! Make a new thread for that.
Youre adding to this thread with conversation & paragraphs that don’t event relate to me or the issues I’m dealing with.
This isn’t a QSC thread.

I appreciate it. Thanks lol

 

[mvl]

Hey man it sounds like a thyroid issue but I'll just throw out there that you might wanna look into GERD / hiatal hernia. Hiatal Hernia is called "the great mimic" because it can present so many weird symptoms that don't seem to line up.

 

[UncleBuns]

@Tbaz192 Thanks for sharing what's going on with you in the steps you are taking to figure it out. This is the kind of stuff we often don't see posted here. Good on you for being proactive and putting your health first.

I agree with you. Why don't these guys start a thread to argue about vaccines? Meso has gotten really terrible with people taking over threads about topics that have nothing to do with the thread.

I hope you get to the bottom of this sooner than later and that the fix is simple.

 

[strongsafety41]

So update. Appointment is done.
Some obvious stuff happened.
She addressed all my symptoms and issues. Went in depth & asked a lot of questions.

EKG was normal.
Need to check my blood pressure regularly to keep track for the BP med.

My BP went from 167 down to 140
She prescribed me Lisinopril (10mg) to start
Since my BP went down and I’m already having dizzy spells and blood sugar issues. Don’t want to make my weakness or dizzy spells worse with drastic BP drop.
Adjust dose as needed or change meds based on response.

As far as the chest pain.
an immediate referral to a cardiologist
Most likely to wear a monitor all day to check my heart for any issues, blockage, etc.
and to do whatever they deem necessary.

If that comes back all normal. We’re moving on to checking my stomach and other things to see if it’s pain from my stomach just isolated near my chest

Got labs pulled for
CBC with differential
Comprehensive metabolic
E2 / Test
A1C
Lipids
TSH /Thyroid

Which my guess things are going to come back pretty skewed based on my symptoms

As far as the blood sugar we’re waiting for labs. And was told to obviously stay hydrated and make sure I’m eating enough and frequently. No big large cheat meals since I might be having reactive hypoglycemia
And to keep sugar/snacks on me at all times.

Probably missing stuff. But yeah that’s the most of it.

I feel relatively okay sitting down. Also still fasted. So I’m going to eat very clean smaller meals thru the day & Monitor my glucose.

Staying out of the gym and away from strenuous things.

A few years back I had similar symptoms (SOB, dizziness, fatigue, BP issues, shaking, blurred vision etc..) came back to ferritin being tanked from donating (low ferritin without anemia).

I’m not sure if you’ve donated recently or the number of times you’ve donated in the last 6 months etc.., but getting an iron/blood work up is something I would look into. I too was seeing a cardiologist and a shit load of other docs, none thought to check my ferritin because HCT and Hemoglobin were within range or above range. A brother here on MESO reached out and shared his knowledge. I order the labs and took them to my primary doc myself. Game plan changed immediately, except for the cardiologist (went through all the normal test you spoke of (ekg, stress test, monitor and bunch of other shit). All came back normal.

Took over a year of iron supplementation and monitoring to get things back to normal.

Best of luck, if you have more questions
DM me,

 

[Tbaz192]

A few years back I had similar symptoms (SOB, dizziness, fatigue, BP issues, shaking, blurred vision etc..) came back to ferritin being tanked from donating (low ferritin without anemia).

I’m not sure if you’ve donated recently or the number of times you’ve donated in the last 6 months etc.., but getting an iron/blood work up is something I would look into. I too was seeing a cardiologist and a shit load of other docs, none thought to check my ferritin because HCT and Hemoglobin were within range or above range. A brother here on MESO reached out and shared his knowledge. I order the labs and took them to my primary doc myself. Game plan changed immediately, except for the cardiologist (went through all the normal test you spoke of (ekg, stress test, monitor and bunch of other shit). All came back normal.

Took over a year of iron supplementation and monitoring to get things back to normal.

Best of luck, if you have more questions
DM me,

Thats what I forgot to ask for. Damn. Iron levels.
We went over so much I forgot.

I’ll go get it done on my own.
Just double checked my old labs back in march of 2024 that I did. My Ferritin levels were 43 ng/dl.
Reference range is 38-380 ng/dl.
Interesting. Never thought anything of it because it came back as “normal”
But that’s low.

I recently completely changed my diet and started avoiding red meat and other foods. Due to my stomach just getting gassy from them. Wonder if my iron levels have tanked.

But low iron levels are associated with high blood sugar / higher A1C

Mine have been crashing to dangerously low levels.

Well there’s another thing to check lol

 

[Tbaz192]

@Tbaz192 Thanks for sharing what's going on with you in the steps you are taking to figure it out. This is the kind of stuff we often don't see posted here. Good on you for being proactive and putting your health first.

I agree with you. Why don't these guys start a thread to argue about vaccines? Meso has gotten really terrible with people taking over threads about topics that have nothing to do with the thread.

I hope you get to the bottom of this sooner than later and that the fix is simple.

I figured this would be a good thing to look at for others with similar issues. Or someone who is brain storming their issues. They can cross reference or whatever.

Plus some of yall have some solid info/ideas to check as well

 

[strongsafety41]

Thats what I forgot to ask for. Damn. Iron levels.
We went over so much I forgot.

I’ll go get it done on my own.
Just double checked my old labs back in march of 2024 that I did. My Ferritin levels were 43 ng/dl.
Reference range is 38-380 ng/dl.
Interesting. Never thought anything of it because it came back as “normal”
But that’s low.

I recently completely changed my diet and started avoiding red meat and other foods. Due to my stomach just getting gassy from them. Wonder if my iron levels have tanked.

But low iron levels are associated with high blood sugar / higher A1C

Mine have been crashing to dangerously low levels.

Well there’s another thing to check lol

Dude I was shaking my ass off in the back of an ambulance, paramedic checked my blood sugar, was normal. Blood pressure was high though. I ate a piece of chocolate from a restaurant that I was parked in front of when I first started shaking, my initial thoughts were I was having a low blood sugar issue.

If you donate, a single donation you can drop 50 pts from ferritin level. I’ve heard of some guys being in the single digits and not having any signs. I fell apart in the 20’s three days after donating. I was only on a trt dose, low GH and low primo … if my memory is correct is was only like 80 T, 80 Primo and 2-3 ius.

If you think about it, if you were in the 40’s ferritin already, donated (not sure if you did or not) and ran low dose cycle, all the drugs are doing what they are designed to do…. All pulling ferritin to increase HCT/Hemo etc… with everyone going to the same store and hardly anything or next to nothing coming in… something has to give.

Just my experience and thoughts, get bloods and run it by your doc.