Var vs Tbol

[sepsin]

for muscle building purposes (not performance in any sport), while on a lean bulk which one would you choose?

Anavar or Tbol?

I’d be combining it with a test base btw

 

[sepsin]

yeah tbh I think I’ll just up the test dose instead of adding an oral.

I’ll start at 300mg/week to gauge aromatization and from there I’ll up it until the most I can handle without having to use an AI, not sure if it makes sense?

I’m also considering just adding some gh throughout the cycle, since I have a good source and it’s always a boost.

what do you think? @Slowww

 

[Photon]

I’m also considering just adding some gh throughout the cycle, since I have a good source and it’s always a boost.

how old are you
whats your planned gh dose

 

[sepsin]

how old are you
whats your planned gh dose

23

also I'm planning on 4IU's daily for 6 months

 

[Photon]

23

also I'm planning on 4IU's daily for 6 months

4IU might simply be a replacement dose @ that age
exogenous gh stops your body from producing gh

pull IGF labs first before deciding whether to hop on gh

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Aug 21, 2024

So what is your IGF-1 level when not injecting any hgh?

I saw this guy complaining about being in the mid-200s, which looked high to me:

IGF-1 level and HGH replacement

TLDR: At what level of IGF-1 would you consider adding in a replacement dose of HGH? I'm almost 40 with a public safety job. I'm beat up. I've been thinking about adding in an HRT dose of 2iu GH to my 150mg TRT. But my last 2 IGF-1's have been 223 and 254 which are towards the top of the...

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Mine are only 83 (range 50-317 ng/mL, so technically in range and not low, LOL)


What is your natty IGF-1 level?

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[wp_375]

both Tbol or Var would be pharma grade.

now in regards to training, rest and diet, I don’t see how that would affect the choice.

Obv I’m trying to compare both ceteris paribus (meaning the training, diet, and rest would be the same in each scenario).

But thanks for your answer

This tells me you have no idea what you are talking about. Turinabol stopped being produced by drug companies over two decades ago, anything on the market is UGL.

You need some hamburgers, not drugs.

 

[sepsin]

4IU might simply be a replacement dose @ that age
exogenous gh stops your body from producing gh

I'm sure that your much more knowledgeable than me in this regard but from every literature that I've found (as well as chatgpt to be completely honest) 1-1.5 IU p/ day (max) is a replacement dose.

So 4 IUs seems to be def supraphyisiological.

Also, yeah it'd stop my natural production of GH, but as soon as I stopped the cycle, the endogenous production rebounds.

 

[sepsin]

This tells me you have no idea what you are talking about. Turinabol stopped being produced by drug companies over two decades ago, anything on the market is UGL.

You need some hamburgers, not drugs.

my bad then, they would be both from UGL.

But either way, I won't proceed with combining test with an oral. I'll just up the test dose as much as I can without needing an AI, and might as well add some GH

 

[Biggerisbetternl]

my bad then, they would be both from UGL.

But either way, I won't proceed with combining test with an oral. I'll just up the test dose as much as I can without needing an AI, and might as well add some GH

Do mind that UG and Prescribed GH can differ in quality. As such, users may find themselves using more UG HGH for the same effect as prescribed HGH.

 

[sepsin]

Do mind that UG and Prescribed GH can differ in quality. As such, users may find themselves using more UG HGH for the same effect as prescribed HGH.

yeah, thanks for reminding that brother.

My GH is def not pharma grade or prescribed, so I might up the dose to 6 IU's per day or smth like that

 

[sepsin]

4IU might simply be a replacement dose @ that age
exogenous gh stops your body from producing gh

pull IGF labs first before deciding whether to hop on gh

Thread 'Post up your Natty IGF-1 Level'

Aug 21, 2024

So what is your IGF-1 level when not injecting any hgh?

I saw this guy complaining about being in the mid-200s, which looked high to me:

IGF-1 level and HGH replacement

TLDR: At what level of IGF-1 would you consider adding in a replacement dose of HGH? I'm almost 40 with a public safety job. I'm beat up. I've been thinking about adding in an HRT dose of 2iu GH to my 150mg TRT. But my last 2 IGF-1's have been 223 and 254 which are towards the top of the...

thinksteroids.com

Mine are only 83 (range 50-317 ng/mL, so technically in range and not low, LOL)


What is your natty IGF-1 level?

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thanks for sharing that thread bro.

I'll get my IGF-1 tested than and see what my levels are.

Either way, what IGF-1 level would be worth to hit if I went ahead and added GH to my test cycle? like 400ng/dl of igf?

 

[Photon]

thanks for sharing that thread bro.

I'll get my IGF-1 tested than and see what my levels are.

Either way, what IGF-1 level would be worth to hit if I went ahead and added GH to my test cycle? like 400ng/dl of igf?

get igf with zscore and get it around 3

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[delay3s]

for muscle building purposes (not performance in any sport), while on a lean bulk which one would you choose?

Anavar or Tbol?

I’d be combining it with a test base btw

anavar easily

 

[Slowww]

what do you think? @Slowww

Yes I think this is a better idea. Since it’s your first time make sure you have an AI on hand, some people need it even at just 300mg per week. For me I need the same ai at 300 or 500, and I just had to find that out with trial and error. So err on the side of caution. Also even though you might not need an AI, acne and so on may be a factor at low doses and when you introduce new hormones, so you might want to get something prepared for that too.

Gh 4-5 is totally enough. I think at your height once you get around 190-200 pounds, more is helpful. If you go higher especially during initial use (like up to 10 as a first time user) you might run into some trouble
Just remember when you start gh, titrate up. You said 1-1.5 is replacement, I agree, and slightly higher than that is where I would recommend initiating a protocol. Don’t rush it, so that you can avoid sides.