Ultra Running

[Gundog]

Hey everyone. Long story short over the last year + I've shifted my focus from bodybuilding to ultra distance running. I just recently completed my first 50k trail race, and now plotting a 50 miler.

Injury mitigation seems to be the name of the game, and I am always training when my lower body is already thrashed. I am thinking of cruising on a mix of 100 mg deca and 150-250 mg test a week. My joints get wrecked when the training mileage ramps up, and the thought of a little deca to ease the pain sounds amazing!

The 50 miler I'm doing isn't until May so I have plenty of time to play around with supplements and PED's. Would love to hear everyone's opinion on these subjects, or anything else, related to long distance running.

Stay savage...

 

[muscletrain]

Hey everyone. Long story short over the last year + I've shifted my focus from bodybuilding to ultra distance running. I just recently completed my first 50k trail race, and now plotting a 50 miler.

Injury mitigation seems to be the name of the game, and I am always training when my lower body is already thrashed. I am thinking of cruising on a mix of 100 mg deca and 150-250 mg test a week. My joints get wrecked when the training mileage ramps up, and the thought of a little deca to ease the pain sounds amazing!

The 50 miler I'm doing isn't until May so I have plenty of time to play around with supplements and PED's. Would love to hear everyone's opinion on these subjects, or anything else, related to long distance running.

Stay savage...

Good for you ultra runners are savage. If you're looking for injury repair/prevention deca would definitely be nice.

Recommendations:

- BPC-157 / TB-500 peptides
- GH at 2-3iu
- Deca for joints

Endurance:

- Cardarine (do your research some people say there is a cancer risk with this)

More out there options is increasing RBC for more oxygen via stuff like Equipose and EPO if you're gonna get real funky.


Random recommendation:

High dose Curcumin for inflammation. Make sure you get a solid brand I take 1g of a high quality one daily.

 

[Gundog]

Good for you ultra runners are savage. If you're looking for injury repair/prevention deca would definitely be nice.

Recommendations:

- BPC-157 / TB-500 peptides
- GH at 2-3iu
- Deca for joints

Endurance:

- Cardarine (do your research some people say there is a cancer risk with this)

More out there options is increasing RBC for more oxygen via stuff like Equipose and EPO if you're gonna get real funky.


Random recommendation:

High dose Curcumin for inflammation. Make sure you get a solid brand I take 1g of a high quality one daily.

Very much appreciated! I am doing a little Curcumin recon right now. I am always down to try new things for inflammation. Never like being on ibuprofen for too long of stints.

But I definitely need to look more into growth hormone. Anything that boosts recovery without hindering performance with cramping or water retention is what I am after!

 

[Millard]

My two cents and totally anecdotal is that anabolic steroids (and I'm speaking of testosterone) are only useful for two purposes in endurance events -- as hormone replacement and as a recovery drug.

Extreme endurance training tends to suppress endogenous testosterone levels. Supplemental testosterone helps maintain T levels at optimal physiologic levels.

The natural consequence of maintaining optimal T levels (perhaps upper quartile of normal range) is enhanced recovery. It doesn't really improve performance but allows you to train harder and longer (which improves performance).

You gotta remember that cardiopulmonary efficiency is probably the most important factor for endurance success. Drugs that enhance this will offer benefits.

Steroids, especially synthetic and supraphysiologic levels, are not known for improving cardiopulmonary efficiency. Quite the opposite.

So, I would be cautious about pushing past physiologic levels. And the desired joints alleviating effects of nandrolone may compromise endurance to some degree.

 

[Gundog]

My two cents and totally anecdotal is that anabolic steroids (and I'm speaking of testosterone) are only useful for two purposes in endurance events -- as hormone replacement and as a recovery drug.

Extreme endurance training tends to suppress endogenous testosterone levels. Supplemental testosterone helps maintain T levels at optimal physiologic levels.

The natural consequence of maintaining optimal T levels (perhaps upper quartile of normal range) is enhanced recovery. It doesn't really improve performance but allows you to train harder and longer (which improves performance).

You gotta remember that cardiopulmonary efficiency is probably the most important factor for endurance success. Drugs that enhance this will offer benefits.

Steroids, especially synthetic and supraphysiologic levels, are not known for improving cardiopulmonary efficiency. Quite the opposite.

So, I would be cautious about pushing past physiologic levels. And the desired joints alleviating effects of nandrolone may compromise endurance to some degree.

I very much appreciate your two cents!

I ended my last race build up pretty jacked up. Had so many little tendon and muscle dings that I couldn't train the last month before my 50K. There enters my proclivity to introduce deca. My body remembers the relief it gave my elbows and my knees. My cardio does tend to react pretty poorly to AAS. Its the reason I crossed over to endurance to begin with. I couldn't run my mouth without getting winded ha.

So maybe test and GH are the ticket to getting through a training block injury free?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Gonna have to agree with @Millard Baker here. Your selections should probably be limited to recovery. Use of any “extra” tends to impede the guys looking to do anything that ain’t strength or growth related. I also believe the joint relief from deca is not only overstated, but probably irrelevant when you’re talking about hundreds of thousands of impacts through the course of training and running an ultra. I very much doubt decas ability to do fuck all for you there. Seems to me, from what I read when I do, being an ultra guy isn’t about necessarily staying comfortable as it is about building the callused body and mind to simply withstand 50-100miles days...

I would use bloodwork to keep your hormonal markers in range. Consider some gH, maybe. And utilize bpc/tp500 for acute recovery needs when they arise.

 

[slyfox115]

I agree on the boldenone with increasing RBC account and testosterone to keep you in the optimal range but it's a slippery slope because you want the benefit of increased RBC and muscle recovery, all with minimal bodyweight gain so running performance isn't diminished. I might look into Meldonium as well.

 

[Millard]

My body remembers the relief it gave my elbows and my knees.

I know it's a generally verboten recommendation on bodybuilding-related forums but dropping a few pounds can help with knee pain and performance.

 

[Gundog]

I know it's a generally verboten recommendation on bodybuilding-related forums but dropping a few pounds can help with knee pain and performance.

Good point. My tibialis and calf muscles fatigue and cramp something fierce if I am carrying extra weight. This summer I added 125 mg of EQ with my trt test. Felt like a damn race horse on the trails. Added tbol and everything went to shit. Cardio tanked bad. I would lose ten pounds after long runs (3+ hours), and it would be back in the morning. There is no way it can be good to be yo-yoing over a gallon of water weight on the regular like that. But at least I learned not to mess with orals anymore. No matter how much I liked them for lifting...

 

[Gundog]

Got some work to do to get up to 50 miles...

 

[Millard]

Nice! What is your training like now?

 

[T&H]

Holy crap! Most I've done in a single run was 15 miles. Good job.

 

[Eman]

Although I have zero interest in running of any distance, I genuinely enjoy reading/watching/learning about this... Particularly, watching the insane endurance documentaries from the comfort of my couch.

Really curious what your diet is like to support this much calorie expenditure?

Also, recovery methods aside from PEDs? I'm just picturing that I'd need to live in an ice bath doing this.

 

[Logan44551]

Although I have zero interest in running of any distance, I genuinely enjoy reading/watching/learning about this... Particularly, watching the insane endurance documentaries from the comfort of my couch.

Really curious what your diet is like to support this much calorie expenditure?

Also, recovery methods aside from PEDs? I'm just picturing that I'd need to live in an ice bath doing this.

You hear the Goggins interview on JRE? That guy is insane

 

[Eman]

You hear the Goggins interview on JRE? That guy is insane

Silence your inner bitch.

What I remember most about him is how he broke down his journey to getting into the military... He did the math with how much he weighed and how long he had to lose the weight and determined he just couldn't sleep or eat for that time period and he'd make it. Wtf.

 

[Logan44551]

Silence your inner bitch.

What I remember most about him is how he broke down his journey to getting into the military... He did the math with how much he weighed and how long he had to lose the weight and determined he just couldn't sleep or eat for that time period and he'd make it. Wtf.

Yeah, dudes brain is wired a bit different than most. Joe had some other guy on there that challenged himself to do a certain amount of excerise daily for 2 months or something. Goggins got ended up triple what he was doing just for shots and giggles

 

[Gundog]

Nice! What is your training like now?

I'm giving the body a little time to chill over the holidays, and before I ramp training back up for that 50 miler. Right now the goal is to keep my body used to handling 30-35 injury free miles each week. Here is a snippet of what my "off season" looks like.

Monday - active recovery/ jiu jitsu
Tuesday - 4 AM leg session, PM 10k easy run
Wednesday - active recovery/ jiu jitsu
Thursday - 4 AM leg session/ PM 10k speedwork
Friday - active recovery/ jiu jitsu
Saturday - 12-15 mile trail run, hammer the hills
Sunday - 10-12 mile easy trail run

Although I have zero interest in running of any distance, I genuinely enjoy reading/watching/learning about this... Particularly, watching the insane endurance documentaries from the comfort of my couch.

Really curious what your diet is like to support this much calorie expenditure?

Also, recovery methods aside from PEDs? I'm just picturing that I'd need to live in an ice bath doing this.

At the bare bones minimum I have to take in 200 calories an hour. I use running gels every thirty minutes and supplement calories by spiking my water with a homemade concoction like tailwind. I lose all appetite after 20+ miles and it becomes a fucking chore lol. I find training the stomach for taking in food while moving to be one of the biggest pains.

The best thing I have for recovery is a foam roller. I live on that motherfucker at night just to get the IT band to let me run the next day.

 

[Gundog]

So much for taking it easy and not getting hurt! First trail run of '21, and I busted my ass on a rocky, downhill segment, and tore a hammy. Gotta love being miles away from the truck with only one leg operating correctly.

First time I've ever torched a hamstring like this. So far I've went with the protocol of light stretching, ice, and elevation. Any other recommendations? I'm not doing an official race until the end of May so I think I have time to recover and restart training.

 

[cc5989]

Sucks that you got hurt pal.
Give bpc157 and tb500 a try it works like magic.

My left ham was fucked from some 5-10k runs a few weeks back where I decided to push through the pain because it couldn't be that bad I thought. Just taking it easy and controlling my pace and stretch a lot in addition to the peptides.

Also curious what your height and weight are on and off steroids.
For me a 350 test e cycle put about 20lb on and experimenting with anavar I found it greatly improves sprinting but kills distance running.