Turkeybuilder's first cycle! SUBQ ONLY!

Any thoughts / comments / concerns about my labs besides me being a dumbass and needing to find out what test I need to purchase to get an un-capped TT / FT number?

I don't think I will be incorporating an AI as I don't have any symptoms and 75.2 is not egregiously high. Maybe the daily sub-q pinning lead to my E2 not spiking so high. only time will tell in 4 weeks with my next set of labs. going to draw another TT / FT soon when i find out what lab to order so its not capped. (I use marek health if anyone knows

I dont know much about blood work on cycle and im still learning but i think i would want to see your HSCRP lower than what it is rn. It is on the higher range of normal. What ester are you taking? What company/ugl test is the vial/amp from? Any pip?

Also maybe you would benefit from LDL being lower even though total cholesterol is normal but hopefully someone else can weigh in
 
I dont know much about blood work on cycle and im still learning but i think i would want to see your HSCRP lower than what it is rn. It is on the higher range of normal. What ester are you taking? What company/ugl test is the vial/amp from? Any pip?

Also maybe you would benefit from LDL being lower even though total cholesterol is normal but hopefully someone else can weigh in
I'm taking Test Cypionate, ugl test is from primal. I am doing daily sub-q so I certainly get lumps here and there but I rotate between enough spots to manage.
 
I dont know much about blood work on cycle and im still learning but i think i would want to see your HSCRP lower than what it is rn. It is on the higher range of normal. What ester are you taking? What company/ugl test is the vial/amp from? Any pip?

Also maybe you would benefit from LDL being lower even though total cholesterol is normal but hopefully someone else can weigh in
Seems like the lower your LDL is now the less likelihood is for a cardiac event , and that is subject to argument, but it's still evolving scientifically.
 
Any thoughts / comments / concerns about my labs besides me being a dumbass and needing to find out what test I need to purchase to get an un-capped TT / FT number?

I don't think I will be incorporating an AI as I don't have any symptoms and 75.2 is not egregiously high. Maybe the daily sub-q pinning lead to my E2 not spiking so high. only time will tell in 4 weeks with my next set of labs. going to draw another TT / FT soon when i find out what lab to order so its not capped. (I use marek health if anyone knows)

Quest is uncapped i believe, if you don't mind switching to goodlabs.
For LC you need to get the one with LC/MS.
Get CMP labs (liver) too.

There's probably an increase in WBC/CRP which is in line with the lumps you're getting from that gear. Fixing it should allow it to drop.

DrSays might be a cheaper alternative to Marek, Marek is overpriced.

 
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Quest is uncapped i believe, if you don't mind switching to goodlabs.
For LC you need to get the one with LC/MS.
For CRP you should get hsCRP.

There's probably an increase in WBC/CRP which is in line with the lumps you're getting from that gear. Fixing it should allow it to drop.

DrSays might be a cheaper alternative to Marek, Marek is overpriced.

I have been using good Labs and Quest and they're pretty good outfit seems I used to use fitnomics
 
If you wait too long to get your E2 tested again it's likely to be sky high if it's already at 75 because I believe it's not truly at its peak yet since it's only been four weeks at 500 mg testosterone ;)
Maybe I can wait two weeks and test ultrasensitive e2 with uncapped TT/FT just to be on the safe side.

Quest is uncapped i believe, if you don't mind switching to goodlabs.
For LC you need to get the one with LC/MS.
Get CMP labs (liver) too.

There's probably an increase in WBC/CRP which is in line with the lumps you're getting from that gear. Fixing it should allow it to drop.

DrSays might be a cheaper alternative to Marek, Marek is overpriced.

I just placed an order for some Neo test cyp in mig812 and i'll be switching to his product mid cycle. so we can see how wbc/crp reacts to that.

I definitely am lumping a lot from these injections so the elevation is a little expected.
 
Thanks for logging this, 500mg subq is very interesting.

How much larger are your lumps going from .2ml-.3ml?

Do you think the irritation from the lumps is less annoying than the scar tissue/pain from your ED Lcarn IM pins?
 
Thanks for logging this, 500mg subq is very interesting.

How much larger are your lumps going from .2ml-.3ml?

Do you think the irritation from the lumps is less annoying than the scar tissue/pain from your ED Lcarn IM pins?
I pin my L carn with 27g needle so I must say my IM injections are painless. The actual PIP from L carnitine is a different story -- feels like a really sore muscle for a few hours then resolves.

My lumps didn't increase in size going from .2ml to .3ml. The problem is now instead of developing a new lump every two days, it's a new lump every single day so they add up. But i'm managing fine and at this point i'm very used to it.
I don't regret it one bit, especially seeing my E2 being that "low" on 500mg/wk, not requiring an AI. mind you i'm also probably 14-15% BF right now so I'd imagine if I was around 10% the e2 would be even lower. Seems like it's doing the job.
 
Maybe I can wait two weeks and test ultrasensitive e2 with uncapped TT/FT just to be on the safe side.


I just placed an order for some Neo test cyp in mig812 and i'll be switching to his product mid cycle. so we can see how wbc/crp reacts to that.

I definitely am lumping a lot from these injections so the elevation is a little expected.

Ultrasensitive e2 labs will take 2 to 3 weeks. It's not economical to run it asap so they collect samples and run large batches.
 
Maybe I can wait two weeks and test ultrasensitive e2 with uncapped TT/FT just to be on the safe side.


I just placed an order for some Neo test cyp in mig812 and i'll be switching to his product mid cycle. so we can see how wbc/crp reacts to that.

I definitely am lumping a lot from these injections so the elevation is a little expected.
I forget, did you adjust your dose assuming the 221mg under-dosed Primal TC250? Keep in mind that assumption is just a guess and you really don’t know what you true dose is. Just pointing out that awitching vendors mid-cycle introduces another variable.
 
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I forget, did you adjust your dose assume the 221mg under-dosed Primal TC250? Keep in mind that assumption is just a guess and you really don’t know what you true dose is. Just pointing out that awitching vendors mid-cycle introduces another variable.
Which variable are you talking about ? Besides accurately dosed gear , "potentially".
 
I don't regret it one bit, especially seeing my E2 being that "low" on 500mg/wk, not requiring an AI
Yeah but you're still pretty early in, I would imagine your e2 will continue to rise the next few weeks.

I pin my L carn with 27g needle so I must say my IM injections are painless
Ok, so the subq injections are more annoying than daily IM? I was think about trying out daily subq but those lumps are convincing me otherwise lol.
 
Which variable are you talking about ? Besides accurately dosed gear , "potentially".
Yes, accurately dosed gear. Primal’s testing showed a concentration of 243mg for batch P10. Subsequent testing (mine) showed it at 221mg. I think Turkey has adjusted his dose to account for this. But we don’t really know what his current concentration is, as Primal recently disclosed that their definition of a “batch” is just the same “recipe”, so P10 could have multiple different concentrations.

Not the end of the world, just something I think he should keep track of if he switches vendors.
 
Ok, so the subq injections are more annoying than daily IM? I was think about trying out daily subq but those lumps are convincing me otherwise lol.
yeah if you're not chasing lower e2 or "stable concentration" and you prefer convenience i'd stick to your IM.

Daily sub-q works for me so i have no problem continuing it.
Yeah but you're still pretty early in, I would imagine your e2 will continue to rise the next few weeks.

next set of labs will tell us what's up.

Not the end of the world, just something I think he should keep track of if he switches vendors.
For sure changing vendors / vials mid cycle isn't ideal but i'd rather use a vial I know with absolute certainty what the mg/ml is give or take 5mg or so as opposed to not knowing if i'm pinning from a 220mg/ml vial or a 240mg/ml vial.

I did adjust my dose to account for your specific testing, but i'm sure the few mg/ml wont make all that much of a difference in the grand scheme of things lol
 
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