Hey whats up. Quick intro. In my 40's 6' 220. Pretty clean diet. Pretty active with lots of zone 2 cardio but have not been consistent with the weights in many years (kids, work, etc) but looking to change that. Prior to my lull in training I had a decent raw max in the big three. I'm On 150 mg/wk test, 1 mg/wk reta, and will start hgh soon. I'm new to reta with my 3rd dose this week and so far its going well. Never ran hgh before but picked up some opti blues on the sale this weekend. Planning to start slow, work up to 4 iu and go from there. Later.
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Anabolic Steroids
TRT, Reta, HGH
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Ghoul
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Use IGF-1 to guide your dose, not some arbitrary number of IUs.
Have you gotten bloodwork? If not, it’s inexpensive and you can set it up yourself online, unless you live in NY.
Elektrobot
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Get your natty igf-1 checked before starting hgh
You will want to know that to determine a starting dose, and to know what your Z score is. The higher you run your Z score, the faster you will experience acromegalia.
Once you start, go slow. Go in half IU increments at a time across weeks.
Get your igf checked again after about a month
Keep in mind that changes in test/estrogen calorie surplus/deficit can also impact your conversion of GH to IGF, so monitor it regularly, and after any changes.
Endeavor Fitness
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Personally, Test + Reta (or Tirz) + GH is the "Holy Trinity" of metabolic health. It's like a metabolic reset.
Z score its the same as reference range? I did a igf¹ bloodwork but here labs dont have this score, only reference like: 30 years 90 to 370...
Elektrobot
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Ghoul
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Quest or Labcorp?
Lab name is Hermes pardini
Elektrobot
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There is a lot of good info in this thread: Post up your Natty IGF-1 Level
Essentially, if you run your IGF to the high end range for your age, the faster acromegalia type effects will start. There is some info in the thread I linked that suggests staying under 1.2x your high end range is "safe" from these effects. But the risk level is yours to choose.
edit: ....here is the AI calculation for your Z score
-1.6 You would likely benefit from HGH
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I will see ty for information, my highest range is 234, more 1.2x will be 280 inst too low this number ?
Elektrobot
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I just edited my reply above to include an AI calculation of your Z score
If you don't get one from your lab, it looks like AI has you covered.
Ghoul
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It’s not 100% precise, but your z score is approximately -0.6, a little below average.
You could go up to 275 without excess tissue growth. That would be Z+3, the maximum amount safe for long term use.
Remember this number goes down a little each year. Based on the ranges from 35-39 Z +3 is 263. (At 35 it would be 274 and by 39 it’s 263).
Very good i will use it for when i start using hgh, ty friend
Look so low, i aways see guys with 350 400 more, i tought it was safe till 500+ maybe i was wrong haha
Elektrobot
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I used an AI to calculate it and I don't know what formula it used. I trusted it to be right but after reading your post it seems wrong
The formula I found is Z=(IGF-1-M)(LxS)
Is that what you used?
Ghoul
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Just FYI it differs lab to lab, based on their specific method for measuring, equipment etc. When they provide ranges but no z, the middle will be the mean (Z 0). The low -2 and high +2. So from that AI can extrapolate his z (even then it won’t be 100% exact, but close).
Plug that in for the most accurate Z. Ie, “using 71-234 IGF-1 lab range for 30-34yo ” deduce z score for 129. Then “extrapolate Z score +3”
