TRT+ labs (TC, Primo, DHTe, NPP)

[Whistles77]

Sharing lab results from running 4 weeks e2d dosing of:

@Arail Test Cyp 175mg per week
@Axle Labs Labs Primo 40mg per week (e2 control/subtle cosmetic)
@Arail NPP 14mg per week (for subtle joint lubrication)
5ARSoc DHT enanthate 7mg per week (subtle neuro-steroid counter of NPP)
@Arail TNE 10mg pre workout 2-3x per week (cleared from the system for these labs)

Total T: 1326 ng/dl
Free T: 426 pg/ml
E2: 23pg/ml
T:E ratio: 57:1
FSH/LSH: Super suppressed


Was surprised at my total T from 175mg and free T being level being so high considering the relatively low dose of Primo, but im guessing DHTe is the primary driver and i might need to reconsider even low doses.

I believe e2 continued to decline after these labs were drawn and by end of the week i was feeling pretty miserable, so moved to T alone (with a single Estradiol Enanthate 2mg shot to help) and recovered within the week.

I won't run DHT with any Primo/Mast/DHT derivatives again. I suspect DHTe is much too suppressive for my level of aromatisation and can only be run as an androgenic alternative to mast/primo at any dose.

 

[newguy2]

Those are some crazy low doses of primo and npp. You really think you're getting something from them.

Also 10mg TNE? Not saying you should run higher. Just curious of the benefits.

 

[Whistles77]

Those are some crazy low doses of primo and npp. You really think you're getting something from them.

Also 10mg TNE? Not saying you should run higher. Just curious of the benefits.

Interested in others thoughts too. I'm open to learning.

Primo - I don't expect to notice much in the mirror. Maybe small amount of vascularity, small recomp, less water retention through a little e2 control, but only when serum levels accumulate. I'm not planning on blasting test though and seem to be sensitive to supression and really really hate low e2. It could be that Primo isn't a compound i can run well without pushing test high, but in this case, i think the combo with DHT was my issue.

NPP - A bit of joint lubrication. I had a benign tumor in my wrist for 6 years and any joint support is welcome. This was more of a low dose experiment, but wasn't controlled enough to really know if it was working. I didn't notice anything.

TNE - I definitely feel it as a pre-workout. I think i can even feel 5mg as a pre-workout. Could just be dopamine or placebo.......but i don't think so.

 

[sliderke]

Tne you really feel at such a low dose?
I use deca on top of trt. I heard that npp does less for joint lubrication

 

[newguy2]

TNE - I definitely feel it as a pre-workout. I think i can even feel 5mg as a pre-workout. Could just be dopamine or placebo.......but i don't think so.

I'm not a guy that's done big cycles. Nothing wrong with being conservative. But with TNE I've gone from 35-75 I think. (Mine is 50mg/ml).

I've even questioned if it's doing a whole lot at these doses. I do feel added focus and aggression. Also maybe a little bit irritable when it comes to interruptions in the gym getting in the way of the workout.

I couldn't imagine 5 or 10 though doing much. But you do you.

 

[Whistles77]

I'm not a guy that's done big cycles. Nothing wrong with being conservative. But with TNE I've gone from 35-75 I think. (Mine is 50mg/ml).

I've even questioned if it's doing a whole lot at these doses. I do feel added focus and aggression. Also maybe a little bit irritable when it comes to interruptions in the gym getting in the way of the workout.

I couldn't imagine 5 or 10 though doing much. But you do you.

A 75mg dose of TNE. Holy hell! I'll save that experiment for my next girlfriend to deal with.

 

[Arail]

Sharing lab results from running 4 weeks e2d dosing of:

@Arail Test Cyp 175mg per week
@Axle Labs Labs Primo 40mg per week (e2 control/subtle cosmetic)
@Arail NPP 14mg per week (for subtle joint lubrication)
5ARSoc DHT enanthate 7mg per week (subtle neuro-steroid counter of NPP)
@Arail TNE 10mg pre workout 2-3x per week (cleared from the system for these labs)

Total T: 1326 ng/dl
Free T: 426 pg/ml
E2: 23pg/ml
T:E ratio: 57:1
FSH/LSH: Super suppressed


Was surprised at my total T from 175mg and free T being level being so high considering the relatively low dose of Primo, but im guessing DHTe is the primary driver and i might need to reconsider even low doses.

I believe e2 continued to decline after these labs were drawn and by end of the week i was feeling pretty miserable, so moved to T alone (with a single Estradiol Enanthate 2mg shot to help) and recovered within the week.

I won't run DHT with any Primo/Mast/DHT derivatives again. I suspect DHTe is much too suppressive for my level of aromatisation and can only be run as an androgenic alternative to mast/primo at any dose.

Awesome! Thank you for getting this done. Remember to reach out to us for your credit for bloodwork.

 

[buck]

If you are happy with where your blood work is then just continue on.

 

[Whistles77]

If you are happy with where your blood work is then just continue on.

I'll be removing the DHTe. I'm learning that it has a binding affinity 6x higher than Primo, so it might be over suppressive when combined with Primo in the stack. Other than that, i think this would've been fine.

 

[Liter O' Test]

nandrolone increases total test number iirc

 

[Whistles77]

nandrolone increases total test number iirc

i think immunoassays can over-report approximations of total T if nandrolone is present, but LC/MS methodology (which Quest does) isolates test and so doesn't include NPP.

 

[Liter O' Test]

i think immunoassays can over-report approximations of total T if nandrolone is present, but LC/MS methodology (which Quest does) isolates test and so doesn't include NPP.

by the way, why not add tren?

 

[17SS]

by the way, why not add tren?

You know, for shits and giggles?

I’m just laughing at the whole ordeal.

If he really cared he would be doing monthly or at a minimum quarterly blood work, even if out if pocket.

 

[Whistles77]

You know, for shits and giggles?

I’m just laughing at the whole ordeal.

If he really cared he would be doing monthly or at a minimum quarterly blood work, even if out if pocket.

A few mg of low dose tren never hurt anyone