I would assume they're not natty lol.
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I would assume they're not natty lol.
TrouDuQ
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Cuz you think russel orhi, Taylor atwood, jesse norris, ray williams... Are natty? 
Cuz you think russel orhi, Taylor atwood, jesse norris, ray williams... Are natty?
Can't say 100%, but I'm gonna say no. They just don't mind competing that way. Jesse Norris has done untested meets, by the way, I believe with higher totals than his tested ones.
TrouDuQ
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But waw either way thw dude is around 2000 lbs total for his bodyweight which is fuckin amazing!!! I am not a hater but for sure they know how to play with esters.
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Not a chance. If any of them is natty I’d say it’s Ray Williams, he’s been a big country boy his whole life, squated 600 in High school football weight room.Cuz you think russel orhi, Taylor atwood, jesse norris, ray williams... Are natty?
Remember guys like Haack,Pollack, Belkin etc have all competed in USAPL or IPF and claimed natty at one point.
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Today s workout
Midbar squat (405lbsx3 reps, 415 lbs x3 reps and 425lbs x3)
Bench press paused 3x3 275 lbs
Deadlift sumo 2 sets x 3 reps 405 xD hahahaah felt like a trash.
My bones are aching, they felt empty inside ahah, form was ok but super tired)
I think for sure that I need a deload even though I am taking 50mg anadrol (which does almost nothing but increasea little more energy and stomach&appetite issues) and 350 mg test cyp per weeo ahahahah (dont like huge doses but thought thst would be enough to recover good at least)
Midbar squat (405lbsx3 reps, 415 lbs x3 reps and 425lbs x3)
Bench press paused 3x3 275 lbs
Deadlift sumo 2 sets x 3 reps 405 xD hahahaah felt like a trash.
My bones are aching, they felt empty inside ahah, form was ok but super tired)
I think for sure that I need a deload even though I am taking 50mg anadrol (which does almost nothing but increasea little more energy and stomach&appetite issues) and 350 mg test cyp per weeo ahahahah (dont like huge doses but thought thst would be enough to recover good at least
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Worf
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this
TrouDuQ
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At least juiced athletes assume their shit in a non tested fed :/
Even Ray Williams last year got 3 reds when it comes to squatting, people assumed that he was off for some period lol
Even Ray Williams last year got 3 reds when it comes to squatting, people assumed that he was off for some period lol
Worf
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Yes, herd this myself. His wife recently pregnant too. Probably not a coincidence. Many of these guys have no choice but to compete in USAPL because if they lift in college, the PL’ing teams have to due to some affiliation. Russian guys don’t have a choice, IPF or nothing from my understanding. Just watch to see where they go after college and it usually solves the mystery.
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TrouDuQ
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Absolutely right brother
So they are on gear but they dont say it due to xxxx reasons...the world is hypocrite especially our government is ruined by the vermine... Dont wanna start a debate but steroids are way less harmful than cig, alcohol and other shit...
So they are on gear but they dont say it due to xxxx reasons...the world is hypocrite especially our government is ruined by the vermine... Dont wanna start a debate but steroids are way less harmful than cig, alcohol and other shit...
Worf
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government is the biggest hypocrite, those geezers would all be dead if it weren’t for RX pharmaceuticals and all their medical procedures paid for by the tax payers. Then they want to ban everything and exempt themselves from the laws.
TrouDuQ
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Otherwise any idea for a good deload week prog lol?
Dave Tate has a segment about this. He believes that a majority of lifters (elite PLers) that claim to be natural probably are—its anecdotal, of course, but he claimed he didn’t believe a few guys who claimed to be natural and were putting up amazing numbers, but then they talked to him privately about wanting to get on gear, and he saw their totals rise 2-400lbs in a year... But I mean, if a dude looks like Orhii (spelling?) physique-wise, and is putting up numbers, he probably isn’t natural... Natural guys tend to look like Ray Williams, with a lot of BF.
TrouDuQ
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I found something interesting...
An Academic Study of Powerlifter Ray Williams’ Superhuman Body - BarBend
Ray the whale Williams lol is only 24% bodyfat which means thst dude has 300 lbs of muscle mass lol... (more than Ronnie Coleman) which means again this dude is probably more enhanced than any other athlete (in my opinion of sure)
An Academic Study of Powerlifter Ray Williams’ Superhuman Body - BarBend
Ray the whale Williams lol is only 24% bodyfat which means thst dude has 300 lbs of muscle mass lol... (more than Ronnie Coleman) which means again this dude is probably more enhanced than any other athlete (in my opinion of sure)
Worf
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So much this, but don’t put it beyond the fat boys to be on the shit either. I personally think the only way to tell without them admitting it is to look at their history. Some people are just strong as shit from the get, good genetics or certain types of neural abilities what ever you call it.
Jesse Norris is one that I believe was natural until college and then got on some stuff. He was putting up huge numbers at 15 and I just don’t picture him being on steroids that young. Damn did his numbers just keep going at the same rate through college though. When a guy has an elite total in their weight it’s really hard to have a 175# meet pr every meet but that’s the kinda results he was having, so draw your own conclusions.
Although there was a good number of guys in my high school on steroids at 16,17 years old and many that weren’t. They all looked about the same above a certain level so one never really can tell just by looks. Hell I was accused of steroids at 17 weighed 175. When I walked for graduation some joker yelled “ steroids” as I was going to get my diploma. Didn’t touch anything for 3 or 4 more years.
TrouDuQ
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Last week was a deload week.
I have dropped frequency ( 2 squats, 1 deadlift and 2 bench press lifts), dropped sets and reps by half. I kept the intensity same or a bit higher.
mock meet:
I warmed up for 10 mins (low int cardio)
stretch for 10 mins
less than 2 hours training:
Squat pr: new max 470 lbs (soft wraps 1.8 m) moved fuckin easy could have done the 495 for sure.
Bench press : 350 lbs was mmm okey...
Conventional Deadlift: I did the whole thing in 15 mins 630 lbs shoeless lol and ton of chalk (grip was fucking strong and speed was 6/10)
GYM WAS CROWDED AS FUCK THO. getting closer to the 1500 total happy but not that much
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I guess by the end of the next year, I can go for 405 bench, 700 deadlift and aim for 500 lbs squat.
thx for perrin and worf for their help <3
I have dropped frequency ( 2 squats, 1 deadlift and 2 bench press lifts), dropped sets and reps by half. I kept the intensity same or a bit higher.
mock meet:
I warmed up for 10 mins (low int cardio)
stretch for 10 mins
less than 2 hours training:
Squat pr: new max 470 lbs (soft wraps 1.8 m) moved fuckin easy could have done the 495 for sure.
Bench press : 350 lbs was mmm okey...
Conventional Deadlift: I did the whole thing in 15 mins 630 lbs shoeless lol and ton of chalk (grip was fucking strong and speed was 6/10)
GYM WAS CROWDED AS FUCK THO. getting closer to the 1500 total happy but not that much
.I guess by the end of the next year, I can go for 405 bench, 700 deadlift and aim for 500 lbs squat.
thx for perrin and worf for their help <3
Good stuff, you could hit those goals by the end of next year if you hit it hard and don't get injured
TrouDuQ
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Well you are right perrin. My main focus is on form and not grtting injured. Otherwise i would go rogue on the lifts hahaha. Trying to go easy step by step. Thankx again for the tips 
Well. Blane Sumner claims to be natural... Says they randomly test him on a monthly basis. IDK what to believe, haha.
TrouDuQ
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I guess they test him few weeks around the meet. For me it is impossible that someone becomes a world record holder in any lifts, makes huge total without roids...
Unless they are feeding on anabolic Chicken lol
Unless they are feeding on anabolic Chicken lol
