mikeh1998
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Literally 1 day later and I'm perfectly fine and can rep 1.5x the weight I usually do for 10+ reps... Unreal?
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Happy Madison
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You are correct. Happy Trails
Ironman580
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Completely silly man
syuri
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man. I just started my tren cycle of 300test and 140tren (ACE, 20mg daily) and haven't seen shit yet except for a pounding chest and insomnia (granted, it's been a week for me.) Glad to see your cycle is doing you well, are you doing ace or enan? and any sleep issues?
Might have to throw in a beta blocker just to be able to sleep
RockyP
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Have you tired running Tren with a DHT like Mast / Primo (or even anavar if for a short time)? Seems to help with side effects.
mikeh1998
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Enanthate, and yes, sleep is totally fucked I wake up literally 20x per night, it’s comically bad. I sleep with the window open when it’s -5 degrees C and I still wake up sweating like mad. I have to change my shirts thrice per night.
Somehow 5-10 mg of accutane per day plus using benzoyl peroxide before showering is preventing any body acne from showing up…
Eszopiclone doesn’t help btw, zaleplon same thing, idk might have to try diphenhydramine or trazodone since I heard antihistamines can work. Well actually my situation is complicated because I just started paroxetine 20 mg/day which I take before bed and it’s kinda improving my sleep (I have it prescribed for something else).
I’m no longer doing 200 mg EOD (lol) I’m on 100 mg EOD now basically, since the build up of all the tren enanthate is kicking my ass now.
Somehow this is still worth it for the gains, shit is insane, injecting test is a total joke in comparison. Every time I take a shower I look in the mirror and go what the fuck, I can’t believe this shit.
I actually bought a new bathroom mirror so I can take proper selfies to attract more females on Hinge. I fucking love trenbolone.
syuri
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Ironically, i started my tren cycle finishing off an anavar cycle. didn't feel any different, still got some gnarly anxiety day 1 of pinning. i just took an atenolol (it's 5pm for me right now, i sleep at 8, work out tmr at 5am) and i'm seeing how it does me
syuri
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Aw man. Sorry about the sleep, man. Trazodone didn't do me well last night but today i'm upping to 50mgs. I also took atenolol to see if a beta blocker could THEORETICALLY cancel out the late night and nighttime tren stimulation. I'm glad tren's doing what you want bro.
Envious of your results rn lol.
Let me know how your sleep med endeavors go, I actually did want to try eszopiclone but everyone's different, YMMV
syuri
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Adding mast in to my 300 test 140 tren cycle… probably 100 enan. weekly. I hope it mitigates sides in my case.Gonna be taking a risk from chinaDoing a big order with some primo and mast e. Their primo checked out from a blind jano which gives me confidnece that the mast is also good to go, but gonna have it tested as well.
RockyP
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I'd prob run Mast at 1:1 to test, if not higher.
syuri
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Does the inclusion of mast help with insomnia or chest anxiety from tren from anecdotes on here?
RockyP
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It’s hard to say, but if you’re struggling with tren sides I’d prob drop the tren and get the mast dialed in then add the tren back in. If you up the mast while staying in tren and the mast isn’t helpful then you’ve just got more androgens on board with the same sides. My experience is the tren sides don’t get better on their own. It’s sometimes dose dependent. Sometimes dependent upon E2 / other compounds being run along with it.
syuri
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...ended up not having a good time with mast. hair started shedding insanely bad a few days in. Not looking to go bald anytime soon. Tren hasn't caused any shedding for me ironically.
I was also peeing every hour, and had a rough day at work because of it.
I was also peeing every hour, and had a rough day at work because of it.
Liter O' Test
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Im doing ashwaganda and zyrtec , 30mg melatonin and 15mg glycine, 400mg magnesium glycinate sleep still messed up.
xrayphoton13
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Instead of Zyrtec you could try 1mg ketotifin. I got a bunch from India pharma for when I run clen. It makes me so drowsy that I only take 0.5mg now before bed. Don't forget l-theanine too. 400-600mg can help calm your body down
RockyP
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Sorry to hear that brother - Mast is a funny one - gives a lot of guys problems, others it's like they're not taking anything at all.
syuri
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That’s the beauty of trying new compounds- i feel like I learn more about how I respond to things with each one. It’s interesting to see how we all respond so differently too. I appreciate your friendly words brother definitely enjoyed hearing that after my day at work lol
mikeh1998
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update, I'm on 350 mg tren enanthate per week (injecting 175 mg Saturday, 175 mg Wednesday, on Saturday I also add 100 mg testosterone cypionate, 10 mg exemestane), been following this for a couple weeks now, also HGH 2 IU per night, tirz 5 mg saturday....
Sleep has kinda leveled out, taking 2 mg eszopiclone + 10 mg melatonin per night, ashwagandha Mon Wed Fri. I get about 6 hours of sleep per night, about 50 mins of REM, which is kind of like what I was getting pre-tren, maybe a little worse, I do still sweat at night which is mad annoying but whatever. Energy levels and tiredness about the same now that it's been like a month+ I've been taking tren at medium-high doses.
Lowered paroxetine dose to 5 mg per day, because my sex drive got wrecked by it, and I might just stop taking it or stay on 5 mg, holy shit this stuff is like a nuke for your sex drive... Trying to force myself to whack it to re-sensitize myself but that's not tren related.
xrayphoton13
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Unless a doctor prescribed the SSRI for a certain reason I would say just drop it off your just experimenting with it.
100 test, 350 tren? Seems a little backwards to me. I definitely prefer test higher than tren.
I don't know anything about the z drugs but on tren the way *for me* to sleep like a baby is to follow a set of rules and supps. I take 400mg mag glycinate, 400-600mg l-theanine, 20mg fast release melatonin, 5mg slow release melatonin, ksm66 ashwaganda, 1200mg citrus bergamot, no food two hours before bed, no caffeine after 1-2pm, and large 4-8iu bolus of HGH or secretagogues right before bed. Nebivolol before bed too if I'm using it at the time. Oh, and a shower. That's what actually got me sleeping normal on tren
xrayphoton13
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Oh and 0.5-1mg ketotifin if I really need an extra push to sleep. It's like Benadryl but I'm not groggy in the morning
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