To BB or not to BB

[metal333maniac]

This will be my First batch of gear, i have Raws in hand but am still confused on the use of BB. i want to make Test Cyp 250mg/ml. I have seen recipes that use BB and Recipes that dont. it would seem to me that if you can disolve with BA,why use BB? I also researched what BB is, and found out that is is an over the counter treatment for Scabies and HeadLice as well as a preservative and solvent. it is also used to repel chiggers, ticks and mosquitos. It is used as an excipient in Testosterone injectables, which means as a long term Stabilizer. so in batches of Cyp 250mg or under, is BB REALLY needed, or is it used as a carrier thinner or Stabilizer, or both? of all the research i have done, i can not find a discussion if BB is a mandatory part of the homebrew recipe or not! So those who have Experience in this area, what is your OPINION?

 

[ickyrica]

BB is to get and keep the hormone suspended in the carrier.

BA is to keep it sterilized.

Cyp requires BB.

 

[metal333maniac]

BB is to get and keep the hormone suspended in the carrier.

BA is to keep it sterilized.

Cyp requires BB.

So the BB pretty much "binds" the hormone to the carrier so to say?

 

[Rockclimber]

Keeps the gear from crashing. I used 2% with good test c and it was great, used 4% with shitty test c and it crashed. I will have to up the BB to 10% or so for that powder.

 

[metal333maniac]

Keeps the gear from crashing. I used 2% with good test c and it was great, used 4% with shitty test c and it crashed. I will have to up the BB to 10% or so for that powder.

so it still comes down to a little experimenting with % depending on powder Quality? i read to try keep BA and BB as low as poss.

 

[Rockclimber]

Definitely, experience is king here. For instance the test c that I thought was no good I thought that because it didn't melt in my fingers right away. That to me means lower quality so I bumped my BB up from 2% to 4% but even then it wasn't enough to pass the refrigerator test, it crashed. Now I will have to go back and add till its at 10%
It could also be because my grape seed oil was thicker than the last batch, lots of factors.

 

[Opti]

Keeps the gear from crashing. I used 2% with good test c and it was great, used 4% with shitty test c and it crashed

it didn't melt in my fingers right away.

I believe you have your Test Cyp & Test Ent mixed-up.

 

[Rockclimber]

Good catch, according to my provider:
Test Ent melts between 32 ~ 37℃
Test Cyp melts between 98-104℃

 

[TRT]

@metal333maniac
Your gonna have to use BB regardless unless it's Test E at 250mg/ml. And I agree with opti, you got the two compounds mixed up. Let me know how it turns out.

It also worries me that if your getting these two compounds mixed up and the BB ratio that you aren't 100% on the rest. Like the sterilizing part. Care to share with me what you'll be doing doing with the rest of the process? No need to go into details, just looking for a few indicators.

 

[metal333maniac]

@metal333maniac
Your gonna have to use BB regardless unless it's Test E at 250mg/ml. And I agree with opti, you got the two compounds mixed up. Let me know how it turns out.

It also worries me that if your getting these two compounds mixed up and the BB ratio that you aren't 100% on the rest. Like the sterilizing part. Care to share with me what you'll be doing doing with the rest of the process? No need to go into details, just looking for a few indicators.

Thank you and "opti", i have read so much because i wanted my first brew to go down fairly well, so thank you for pointing out the Test Cyp and test E. it really is a simple process, but one wrong factor and it all can go wrong fast! i just couldnt fig. out the deal with the BB. Well, the Recipe i was gonna use for 60ml of cyp. at 250mg/ml. was from the steroid calculator, and is as follows, Carrier Oil= 35.25 MLs......Powder=15Grms.....BA@2%=1.20Mls.....BB@18%=10.80MLs. Then i got to reading about some people not using BB, so i wanted to find out what the reasoning behind this was, so thats why i asked. The rest of the process i pretty much have under control i think, so thank you ALL for your input on the subject and your help.

 

[Docd187123]

BB is a solvent. It's what dissolves the solute (powder) into a solution. Test e doesn't require be at normal concentrations but test cyp does. Test cyp around 200mg/ml should only need 10-15% BB (probably closer to 15%). If you try for 250mg/ml you'll need maybe 20% and even then it's sometimes tricky to get to hold perfectly.

 

[Rockclimber]

I won't be doing anything major with this batch, it is fine at room temp but crashes in the fridge. I ran half (50ml) through a .22 filter and put into 5 sterile vials. The other 50ml I added BB to reach 10% and placed in the fridge overnight, it still crashed by this A.M even at 10% BB. I will bump up to 15% tonight and repeat. When I am done experimenting it will go in the garbage, its cheap. Next batch I will run at 2% BA 18% BB right off the bat with Test C.

Looking back, it was exactly 10 years ago, I must have brewed up Test E those half dozen times I did it, I had a huge thread on homebrewing Test on BB.com, tons of views and replies but it was deleted when they deleted the steroids forum. I wish I could go back there for notes, I had a ton of info on there but a decade later I have forgotten everything.

@metal333maniac
Your gonna have to use BB regardless unless it's Test E at 250mg/ml. And I agree with opti, you got the two compounds mixed up. Let me know how it turns out.

It also worries me that if your getting these two compounds mixed up and the BB ratio that you aren't 100% on the rest. Like the sterilizing part. Care to share with me what you'll be doing doing with the rest of the process? No need to go into details, just looking for a few indicators.

 

[ChestRockwell]

wish I could go back there for notes,

Wayback Machine

 

[Rockclimber]

Thanks! I am going to go back and see if I can find the thread. I was titled "Homebrew Test" or "Rockclimber brews Test" or something close to that. There were no other home brewing threads at the time.

 

[metal333maniac]

Thanks! I am going to go back and see if I can find the thread. I was titled "Homebrew Test" or "Rockclimber brews Test" or something close to that. There were no other home brewing threads at the time.

That would be Sweeet , im sure there were mounds of useful info! when you do the Cyp at 2%BA -18%BB, let us know how it turns out especially if you do the fridge test.

 

[Rockclimber]

I guess I should have read
XKawN homebrewing bible

"Dontbrew cyp. Brew test e. Cyp crashes alot but e is one of the easiest compounds to brew."

 

[high-octane]

Cyp crashes alot over 250. 2% ba 20% bb in gso @250mg cyp. Fuck everything else.

 

[ickyrica]

Regarding BB, does boldenone need bb at 200mg/ml?

 

[Opti]

Regarding BB, does boldenone need bb at 200mg/ml?

BB is not necessary at that mg/ml. @ 400mg/ml 10% was used with great success.

 

[ickyrica]

BB is not necessary at that mg/ml. @ 400mg/ml 10% was used with great success.

Thank you.