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Yeah, that’s when Tren starts to get uncomfortable or the lack of sleep causes me too much irritability. It’s endurance from there on. But drop it if it starts fucking with your ability to enjoy life.

I’ve run test low (200-300) believing what I read about the reduced side effects and I’ve also run it with test at 750. Both seemed the same to me. I get to 8 weeks and that’s when I end it.

I'm glad I am not the only one...I've had these same experiences.
 
In any thread on Meso, if I go to like a post, I find that @T-Bagger has liked it alteady. Dude is fast, and covers some ground on this bitch lol.

Lol, he’s fast, he’s everywhere, and it’s any time of day. For that to be truly possible it would take a room full of people on computers all logged in as @T-Bagger working multiple shifts.
 
Yeah, that’s when Tren starts to get uncomfortable or the lack of sleep causes me too much irritability. It’s endurance from there on. But drop it if it starts fucking with your ability to enjoy life.

I’ve run test low (200-300) believing what I read about the reduced side effects and I’ve also run it with test at 750. Both seemed the same to me. I get to 8 weeks and that’s when I end it.
Same here. I’ve ran high test high Tren and low test high Tren and when pushing the Tren for too long either way I will get the same sides (eventually). I do prefer low test 2-300mg/wk when running Tren though. I think high test is just a waste of test really, jmo.
I don’t see a reason why Tren A should be ran over 8 weeks straight at at time really. For me it’s just too hard on the body and mind being on it any longer than that. If I can’t get where I want on Tren A in 8 weeks then something else is off with my protocol. I understand to push shit to the limit sometimes but the older I’m getting the more I feel like it’s not worth it. I can get the same results with less “sides” in 8 weeks or less than if I push it for longer. The restlessness and aggravation from that, plus feeling lethargic only hinders me in the gym when I push it for too long. So why even do it... 6-8 weeks is good enough for me.
The “on two weeks” “off two weeks” through a cycle intrigues me so I may experiment with that at some point.
 
Same here. I’ve ran high test high Tren and low test high Tren and when pushing the Tren for too long either way I will get the same sides (eventually). I do prefer low test 2-300mg/wk when running Tren though. I think high test is just a waste of test really, jmo.
I don’t see a reason why Tren A should be ran over 8 weeks straight at at time really. For me it’s just too hard on the body and mind being on it any longer than that. If I can’t get where I want on Tren A in 8 weeks then something else is off with my protocol. I understand to push shit to the limit sometimes but the older I’m getting the more I feel like it’s not worth it. I can get the same results with less “sides” in 8 weeks or less than if I push it for longer. The restlessness and aggravation from that, plus feeling lethargic only hinders me in the gym when I push it for too long. So why even do it... 6-8 weeks is good enough for me.
The “on two weeks” “off two weeks” through a cycle intrigues me so I may experiment with that at some point.

I might try on 3 off 2 during my next cycle coming up ( I dunno when I’m bored I map out different shit to run so I have about 30 different cycles saved). I have all the stuff hoarded away so I can change it around 10 more times in the next 3 weeks

Something like:

on 1-3 (3 weeks)
off 4-5 (2 weeks)
On 5-7 (3-weeks)
off 8-9 (2 weeks)
On 10-12 (3 weeks)

On weeks:
400 Test 500 NPP 350 Tren 300 Mast

Off weeks:
400 Test 650 NPP 300 Mast
 
Yeah, that’s when Tren starts to get uncomfortable or the lack of sleep causes me too much irritability. It’s endurance from there on. But drop it if it starts fucking with your ability to enjoy life.

I’ve run test low (200-300) believing what I read about the reduced side effects and I’ve also run it with test at 750. Both seemed the same to me. I get to 8 weeks and that’s when I end it.

Did you notice any difference in your ability to bulk on tren with low test vs high test?
 
For the guy that said it makes him insta bald, does the hair come back or no?
Generally no, but if you are not predisposed to mpb you are good. I read of a guy losing alot of hair on a heavy mast cycle. He did HGH for about a year afterwards and he swears hes got a fuller head of hair than before. Didnt see pics though
 
Yes. I gained weight on higher dose of testosterone. The muscles are also much fuller. Low test and same dose of Tren leaves you more cut but flat.
I've always noticed this too. However, if I eat at a crazy surplus on a high tren dose even with low test, I put on muscle like crazy. I'm running npp with tren right now, so I'm hoping the nandralone gives me that fullness I'm looking for.
 
Same here. I’ve ran high test high Tren and low test high Tren and when pushing the Tren for too long either way I will get the same sides (eventually). I do prefer low test 2-300mg/wk when running Tren though. I think high test is just a waste of test really, jmo.
I don’t see a reason why Tren A should be ran over 8 weeks straight at at time really. For me it’s just too hard on the body and mind being on it any longer than that. If I can’t get where I want on Tren A in 8 weeks then something else is off with my protocol. I understand to push shit to the limit sometimes but the older I’m getting the more I feel like it’s not worth it. I can get the same results with less “sides” in 8 weeks or less than if I push it for longer. The restlessness and aggravation from that, plus feeling lethargic only hinders me in the gym when I push it for too long. So why even do it... 6-8 weeks is good enough for me.
The “on two weeks” “off two weeks” through a cycle intrigues me so I may experiment with that at some point.
Yeah I'll just stop it sooner than planned. I also just found out my ldl and hdl are not looking good which is to be expected but that combined with the mental stuff will make it easier to drop it.
 
Generally no, but if you are not predisposed to mpb you are good. I read of a guy losing alot of hair on a heavy mast cycle. He did HGH for about a year afterwards and he swears hes got a fuller head of hair than before. Didnt see pics though

So what’s a dangerous level of dht? I’m a little nervous mine is high as it is and I’m thinking proviron will be over the top
 
So what’s a dangerous level of dht? I’m a little nervous mine is high as it is and I’m thinking proviron will be over the top
I cant give you an answer to that because everyone is different. If you aren't prone to lose your hair...if it doesnt run in the family, then you are good. If its acne you are talking about, the answer is the same, everyone is different. If you are still running npp with low test then just run the proviron for the duration of that, then drop it. Nothing says you have to stack a bunch of dht on top of one another. Just protect your libido while on nandralone and move on.
 
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