Tirz better than Reta for Blood Glucose control on GH. But is it really?

[nxckf]

First off, I know there is a previous thread talking about this. But I feel like the claims that were made about Reta didn’t match up with the anecdotes of FBG on that thread or any others. One of the things that was said was basically that Reta (via glucagon agonist) can drive your fasted blood glucose up. Which on paper makes sense, but I have searched high and low- and have not found a single anecdote of someone saying that’s true for them. I have however found a bunch of people claiming great FBG levels using Reta with their GH. At numerous doses, some people 2mg, some people 10mg+. If the glucagon agonist aspect was really cranking they would surely nuke their FBG at those high doses? But they were all around 70-80 give or take.

Taking Tirz with my GH now, due to being convinced by the posts in the previous thread- but FBG is around 95-100 in the morning. When I was taking Reta it was 70-80.
What is your anecdote using either of them alongside GH?

 

[BP_6]

First off, I know there is a previous thread talking about this. But I feel like the claims that were made about Reta didn’t match up with the anecdotes of FBG on that thread or any others. One of the things that was said was basically that Reta (via glucagon agonist) can drive your fasted blood glucose up. Which on paper makes sense, but I have searched high and low- and have not found a single anecdote of someone saying that’s true for them. I have however found a bunch of people claiming great FBG levels using Reta with their GH. At numerous doses, some people 2mg, some people 10mg+. If the glucagon agonist aspect was really cranking they would surely nuke their FBG at those high doses? But they were all around 70-80 give or take.

Taking Tirz with my GH now, due to being convinced by the posts in the previous thread- but FBG is around 95-100 in the morning. When I was taking Reta it was 70-80.
What is your anecdote using either of them alongside GH?

It's isn't really anecdotal as people are generally going by what the studies show. Which they are pretty close with triz usually averaging a tad more but more or less pretty equal. I also believe that reta isn't really going to be promoted as a blood glucose control drug, but a pretty much dedicated weight loss/MASH support drug.

 

[Ateam2023]

First off, I know there is a previous thread talking about this. But I feel like the claims that were made about Reta didn’t match up with the anecdotes of FBG on that thread or any others. One of the things that was said was basically that Reta (via glucagon agonist) can drive your fasted blood glucose up. Which on paper makes sense, but I have searched high and low- and have not found a single anecdote of someone saying that’s true for them. I have however found a bunch of people claiming great FBG levels using Reta with their GH. At numerous doses, some people 2mg, some people 10mg+. If the glucagon agonist aspect was really cranking they would surely nuke their FBG at those high doses? But they were all around 70-80 give or take.

Taking Tirz with my GH now, due to being convinced by the posts in the previous thread- but FBG is around 95-100 in the morning. When I was taking Reta it was 70-80.
What is your anecdote using either of them alongside GH?

I was taking .75 mg of RETA per week (4 weeks only) and that brought my FBG down from 93-95 down to 83 to 85 , I absolutely could not eat on it and that very well could be because I was splitting that .75 mg into two doses per week and possibly getting overlap as it's designed to only be taken the one time a week due to its half-life. I haven't tried again to do it only one time a week, maybe I should try that again? But just the idea of not being able to eat puts me off. And people wanna say that taking that small of a dose doesn't do anything, but I'm here to tell you that it absolutely did something for me so I guess the old saying goes "everyone acts differently to compounds".

 

[nxckf]

I was taking .75 mg of RETA per week (4 weeks only) and that brought my FBG down from 93-95 down to 83 to 85 , I absolutely could not eat on it and that very well could be because I was splitting that .75 mg into two doses per week and possibly getting overlap as it's designed to only be taken the one time a week due to its half-life. I haven't tried again to do it only one time a week, maybe I should try that again? But just the idea of not being able to eat puts me off. And people wanna say that taking that small of a dose doesn't do anything, but I'm here to tell you that it absolutely did something for me so I guess the old saying goes "everyone acts differently to compounds".

That’s amazing that you can get so much out of such a small dose. By the end of my cut i was still able to eat like 3k cals on 6mg reta.

 

[nxckf]

It's isn't really anecdotal as people are generally going by what the studies show. Which they are pretty close with triz usually averaging a tad more but more or less pretty equal. I also believe that reta isn't really going to be promoted as a blood glucose control drug, but a pretty much dedicated weight loss/MASH support drug.

I know it’s not going to be promoted as a blood glucose control drug. But somebody posted claiming that it was worse for blood glucose control, and there were several people claiming that it had their FBG as low as 70-80 when taking GH. Which is impressive. Doesn’t track with the study shared, so i’d say most of it is anecdote.

 

[just some dude]

I know it’s not going to be promoted as a blood glucose control drug. But somebody posted claiming that it was worse for blood glucose control, and there were several people claiming that it had their FBG as low as 70-80 when taking GH. Which is impressive. Doesn’t track with the study shared, so i’d say most of it is anecdote.

glucagon receptor activation increases hepatic glucose production

 

[lilhawk]

2mg of Reta per week and FBG in the low 80s on up to 10iu of GH. It most definitely works for blood glucose control.

 

[BALLISTIC]

I started my Reta dosing at 1mg per week and increased 1mg per week for the first 4 weeks. Then I transitioned to 6mg weekly before abruptly jumping to 11mg. I'm using 55mg vials.

I noticed no BG control under 6mg, but I did immediately after. About 15 to 20 points average fasting (incredible). 11mg I'm still sitting at the same. It is incredible in the aspect that after a meal it seems to return to baseline faster.

I skipped this week as Reta causes a different response in me. It doesn't curb my appetite. I still crave food, and even seems more sugar at times. What it does do for me is satiety. After several bites of food, I'm over it, and could care less and even repulsed.

 

[wp_375]

My FBG was actually a little higher on Reta. Mid nineties usually. Not on it I usually ran high 80's. My A1C stayed exactly the same over a several month period as it was before on it at 5.2 while I lost around 50lbs. Go figure that one out LOL

 

[2ndchancesNK]

Very interesting to see so many people with almost the exact opposite experience with BG control using Reta. I’ve been interested in GLP’s since I’m planning a slight cut in the spring and also want to blast up the HGH doses because I’m quite stocked and have never really pushed past 4iu (which I’m doing now).

Very conflicted between Reta and Tirz at the moment so will definitely be reading much more.

 

[nxckf]

My FBG was actually a little higher on Reta. Mid nineties usually. Not on it I usually ran high 80's. My A1C stayed exactly the same over a several month period as it was before on it at 5.2 while I lost around 50lbs. Go figure that one out LOL

This is my first time hearing somebody reporting FBG increase while on reta, but clearly you were losing fat and in a deficit. So it did its job as far as being a weight loss drug. lol

 

[Sampei]

My FBG was actually a little higher on Reta. Mid nineties usually. Not on it I usually ran high 80's. My A1C stayed exactly the same over a several month period as it was before on it at 5.2 while I lost around 50lbs. Go figure that one out LOL

Explanation is easy.

A1C measure average level of glucose in the blood In the last 3 months.

If you have higher fasted BG but your peaks after a meal are lower and your BG comes back quicker to baseline then you achieve a lower or the same average BG during the day then if you had a lower fasted BG but spent more time at higher level of BG when eating.

 

[Rawnjohnson]

Explanation is easy.

A1C measure average level of glucose in the blood In the last 3 months.

If you have higher fasted BG but your peaks after a meal are lower and your BG comes back quicker to baseline then you achieve a lower or the same average BG during the day then if you had a lower fasted BG but spent more time at higher level of BG when eating.

Makes sense. Since upping my gh from 5 iu to 7iu, my fbg went from 75 to 90, even on 10mg Reta. I don’t have a cgm, but I spot check it 1 hour and 2 hours after eating and it is still 90-95 even after a carb heavy lunch.

 

[TheBeast1]

First off, I know there is a previous thread talking about this. But I feel like the claims that were made about Reta didn’t match up with the anecdotes of FBG on that thread or any others. One of the things that was said was basically that Reta (via glucagon agonist) can drive your fasted blood glucose up. Which on paper makes sense, but I have searched high and low- and have not found a single anecdote of someone saying that’s true for them. I have however found a bunch of people claiming great FBG levels using Reta with their GH. At numerous doses, some people 2mg, some people 10mg+. If the glucagon agonist aspect was really cranking they would surely nuke their FBG at those high doses? But they were all around 70-80 give or take.

Taking Tirz with my GH now, due to being convinced by the posts in the previous thread- but FBG is around 95-100 in the morning. When I was taking Reta it was 70-80.
What is your anecdote using either of them alongside GH?

I was taking 4mg of reta split into two doses per week for 4IUs of HGH.

Fasted blood glucose was 99mg/dl which for me was too high.

I had to drop the HGh down to 2IUs which brought the BG down to 94 which gives me more headroom.

Sucks because I was enjoying the extra fat boost. I'll take the recovery benefit regardless.

I'm planning on switching to tirz because reta raises my RHR up too high and doesn't allow it to come down. Shame because I like reta otherwise.

 

[Duke309]

My FBG is also higher on reta, its always mid 90s or even 100 on between 2-4mg of reta. Usually 80s or less without it. I also get the early morning awakening before my usual alarm time.

 

[johnjay06]

I was taking 4mg of reta split into two doses per week for 4IUs of HGH.

Fasted blood glucose was 99mg/dl which for me was too high.

I had to drop the HGh down to 2IUs which brought the BG down to 94 which gives me more headroom.

Sucks because I was enjoying the extra fat boost. I'll take the recovery benefit regardless.

I'm planning on switching to tirz because reta raises my RHR up too high and doesn't allow it to come down. Shame because I like reta otherwise.

I finally switched to tirz Sunday night. Reta is still in my system, but hopefully the RHR goes down when it finally clears, so I'm in the same boat as you.

 

[TheBeast1]

I finally switched to tirz Sunday night. Reta is still in my system, but hopefully the RHR goes down when it finally clears, so I'm in the same boat as you.

Fucking sucks doesn't it mate.
I'll be joining you this Sunday. Shame because reta is other wise great.

 

[johnjay06]

Fucking sucks doesn't it mate.
I'll be joining you this Sunday. Shame because reta is other wise great.

Yeah it does suck but tirz has some good benefits as well, reta is just the new shiny thing. If reta had never came out, we’d be taking about how awesome tirz is. So I don’t really look at it as a downgrade

 

[nxckf]

I don’t have any regrets switching to tirz from reta. Reta was the first peptide I ever tried, so I thought it was the best due to its hype and the fact that I never experienced anything like it. Now after using tirz it’s way stronger for appetite suppression and i’m able to get better pumps.

Yeah it does suck but tirz has some good benefits as well, reta is just the new shiny thing. If reta had never came out, we’d be taking about how awesome tirz is. So I don’t really look at it as a downgrade