The West is Screwed

[tenpoundsleft]

Wetback is the N word for Mexicans sir. Also they don't cross the rio grande some get fake papers and come by bus, car, etc... they pay about 6k to come to the USA illegally.
Well sir with all due respect please leave my beautiful country America. We don't want people full of hate in our country.
Also I'm not a liberal. You are way to judgemental. I like points from all parties and disagree with some points of all parties.

No pissing contest you brought it up first. May I know which one? Also so close but I've had a graduate degree for a while. Most people do my friend. It impresses no one with all due respect. Almost had me beat I guess. I do believe you are lie about what university you attended. I say this becaus ethen you would know how to have a discussion properly.

That's why I dont ever bring it up, you did. Just look at the thread. BTW, your syntax and spelling don't really come across as more than HS level.

You're not a liberal? You've failed at grasping that word too.

You need a full paragraph disclaimer to every general label brought up online? You must be a joy to hang around. Wetback is supremely descriptive. It's derogatory yes, because they deserve no respect. And it clearly describes how they got here. Case closed.

 

[loveyourbody]

You certainly know more than he does.

Did you know Canadians are a race now?

You can twist my words if you want I never said nationality is a race. I said you shouldn't just others because of their RACE, NATIONALITY, OR COLOR. See seperate things. Learn that people won't see things your way. I promise you it will make things easier.

 

[loveyourbody]

That's why I dont ever bring it up, you did. Just look at the thread. BTW, your syntax and spelling don't really come across as more than HS level.

You're not a liberal? You've failed at grasping that word too.

You need a full paragraph disclaimer to every general label brought up online? You must be a joy to hang around. Wetback is supremely descriptive. It's derogatory yes, because they deserve no respect. And it clearly describes how they got here. Case closed.

I know sir I'm using and iPhone and typing quickly. I never go back and reread my post before I submit. Members have known that since I joined in 2007 I think. Everyone deserves respect sir even you. Case not closed sir.
I am not a liberal sir but you seem to know everything please tell me what I am?

 

[loveyourbody]

@tenpoundsleft i pmed you trying to be respectful and Ask you what your problem was. Yet you are being a 20 year old getting mad at the someone who doesn't share your point of view. Please make sure to up your Tren and test, eat lots of sodium so you BP goes above 160/90 and you have a stroke. Then maybe your children can have a better future without you in their lives. What would you say... there case closed!

 

[tenpoundsleft]

I would venture to guess that just about any country outside of the United States has a more realistic path to citizenship or residency. The US has one of the most obscure and antiquated immigration processes out there as far as I know... It should be no surprise we have created such a problem with illegal immigration, not that I agree with it but it does make sense.

I doubt it'll get any better any time soon either.

Actually no, it's fairly clear. The main challenge is getting here legally. Once that's done you're on a straight path to PR, then citizenship.

My new wife is waiting overseas for her spouse visa, once that clears, it's a straight path.

The bureaucracy is quite antiquated, ridiculous reliance on paperwork, they're operating in the 80s. Huge gains to be made through modern technology. The backlog is not excusable.

I could bring up several countries that are a LOT harder to get citizenship in - Japan and Thailand would be two examples.

If you're here on a time limited work permit, well, you knew the rules, go home when it expires.

 

[Eman]

Actually no, it's fairly clear.

I didn't mean to insinuate that it wasn't. It is generally clear, that doesn't mean it's within reach for the vast majority. Your wife, for instance, would have had FAR less of a chance to get to come here had she not married you. Congrats by the way... Poor bastard.

I can imagine Japan is difficult, Thailand surprises me though.. That's interesting. While I don't doubt there are many countries that are hard to gain citizenship, I imagine the US still ranks quite high on that list. It's compounded by the issues you mentioned too. I can't think of another word other than surprising, surprising that a nation of immigrants would have gained such a poor immigration system... Maybe the word is ironic.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

I didn't mean to insinuate that it wasn't. It is generally clear, that doesn't mean it's within reach for the vast majority. Your wife, for instance, would have had FAR less of a chance to get to come here had she not married you. Congrats by the way... Poor bastard.

I can imagine Japan is difficult, Thailand surprises me though.. That's interesting. While I don't doubt there are many countries that are hard to gain citizenship, I imagine the US still ranks quite high on that list. It's compounded by the issues you mentioned too. I can't think of another word other than surprising, surprising that a nation of immigrants would have gained such a poor immigration system... Maybe the word is ironic.

You'd be surprised about the requirements in a good part of the world - many countries practically tie citizenship to the right bloodline or religion. Or the annual allocation for citizenship is so ridiculously low that winning the lottery is far more likely. I think Thailand allocates no more than 100 citizenships per year per nation - not easy.

Well, you can't have an open immigration policy while also having a welfare system, or any kind of government support system of any importance.

Why should "most" people be able to come here? Where else in the world does that happen?

Look at Australia and their points system - what a bunch of racist cunts they are. Demanding that people who want to immigrate must have SKILLS - what is the world coming to?

Thanks too, re the new marriage, I'm quite enjoying the feeling of appreciation and actual love I guess - the prior marriage turned into cohabitation years ago. Had forgotten what affection felt like. Paying my ex for the pleasure though,even though she makes good money.

 

[OldmanRob]

What is a crock? Have you ever looked at the immigration process in the US. It's a stupid process that hasn't been updated in years. I also wish people would do things the legal way but our government next to fix this process that take years and I mean years to go through.

And here I though we were having a mature and respectable discussion. I have more of a problem with people that use such vocabulary than I do with illegal immigrants. Racist people are a bigger problem towards the human race than immigrants.

Fuck illegals, we don't need an, don't want em and should boot am out.

They rob, cheat, steal and rape.

 

[Eman]

They rob, cheat, steal and rape.

So do legal immigrants and US citizens... It's an alt right talking point and it's absurd.

 

[OldmanRob]

So do legal immigrants and US citizens... It's an alt right talking point and it's absurd.

Actually, reading as you put it, I agree. My post is absurd.

How about if I modify it to say that I don't like illegals immigrating illegally.

I have nothing against legal immigration and I should have thought a bit before posting it the way that I did.

 

[Sp2.0]

I don't blame them for trying to make a better life for their families. That doesn't change the fact that they are here illegally and should not be rewarded for committing a crime.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

So do legal immigrants and US citizens... It's an alt right talking point and it's absurd.

I don't even know if it's an alt-right talking point - talking points are an MSM thing, when they have email and other info distributions so that mysteriously they all use the same topic of the day, and the same buzzwords.

It's enough to say that if they're here illegally, kick them out, and they are welcome to try the legal way. Three strikes and we drop you off in Yemen.

 

[OldmanRob]

I'm sick of paying for them.

 

[Eman]

Actually, reading as you put it, I agree. My post is absurd.

How about if I modify it to say that I don't like illegals immigrating illegally.

I have nothing against legal immigration and I should have thought a bit before posting it the way that I did.

Fair enough, me too...

I place more blame on the system being broken in the first place.

I don't even know if it's an alt-right talking point - talking points are an MSM thing

Sure it is, and of course the alt right has talking points... It's not a MSM "thing" lol. Well, it is, but not exclusive to the MSM.

Talking points aren't necessarily a bad thing either by definition, it just depends on what the point is... In this case, "illegal immigrants are criminals, rapists, etc" is a poor one.

 

[RobertL]

Wetback is the N word for Mexicans sir.

If that was truly the case you would have said the "w" word is the "n" word for mexicans.

Or

The term wetback is what nigger is to blacks.

One obviously holds more weight than the other..

But this is basic racism which isn't where I usually argue my points. Racism for the sake of racism is no good.

I want to know where you get your information from?
1-If you murder you go to prison illegal or not. Look it up it is an agreement between the USA and Mexico.
2- go back to number 1
3- that I can't argue with but I do believe everyone has a right to an education. If all they want is a better future. What is wrong with that? If you had a child wouldn't you want a better future for them?
4- white people abuse the system as well my friend. All humans do. Don't blame one race for your problems.

1.) US to deport undocumented immigrant acquitted in Kate Steinle death

Kate Steinle death: US to deport Mexican man acquitted in killing - CNN

2.) go back to number 1

3.) Yeah, they deserve a right to a great education. But after following the proper procedures. Not cutting in line and getting special treatment for being a minority when you're here illegally.

4.) Yes, they do. I'm aware of that. But they're citizens of the country. And this has nothing to do with race. This has to do with legal status within the country. Deport all illegals. Not just the brown ones. How are people ignoring the fact that being here illegally is a felony?

 

[RobertL]

So do legal immigrants and US citizens... It's an alt right talking point and it's absurd.

See my previous post just above.

They wake up. Breaking a felony law. Being here illegally.. Why is that so easily ignored by some people?

 

[Eman]

See my previous post just above.

They wake up. Breaking a felony law. Being here illegally.. Why is that so easily ignored by some people?

I have no idea what you're trying to prove to me with your posts... Unless you're going to cite a reference proving that all illegal immigrants are thieves, rapists, etc then
leave me out of it.

 

[loveyourbody]

I don't blame them for trying to make a better life for their families. That doesn't change the fact that they are here illegally and should not be rewarded for committing a crime.

If that was truly the case you would have said the "w" word is the "n" word for mexicans.

Or

The term wetback is what nigger is to blacks.

One obviously holds more weight than the other..

But this is basic racism which isn't where I usually argue my points. Racism for the sake of racism is no good.



1.) US to deport undocumented immigrant acquitted in Kate Steinle death

Kate Steinle death: US to deport Mexican man acquitted in killing - CNN

2.) go back to number 1

3.) Yeah, they deserve a right to a great education. But after following the proper procedures. Not cutting in line and getting special treatment for being a minority when you're here illegally.

4.) Yes, they do. I'm aware of that. But they're citizens of the country. And this has nothing to do with race. This has to do with legal status within the country. Deport all illegals. Not just the brown ones. How are people ignoring the fact that being here illegally is a felony?

First of all thank you for knowing how to have a civilized discussion my friend.

I can't argue with the information you provided. If you look at other files you will find there are also a lot of illegals that are in prison for felonies and are not being deported until they do their time. The court system is screwed up when it comes to all that.
For example, the male that raped a girl got off after 3 months. Then this year we had the girl that killed her rapist put in prison for life if I remember correctly. Just examples by the way.
It's only human instinct to want to survive. Just like when America was established.
As for number 4 I don't agree. If they are just working and not hurting anyone why deport them. What gives anyone that right? Now if they are committing crimes that really matter then by all means prison and deport.

I wish everyone had to do a mission trip or two to an extremely poor village and see how they are suffering. It is heart breaking.

I respect your opinion and point of view because you are a respectful person. I agree with some points but don't with others. Thus is life.
Maybe we do need a WW3 to unite the human race again. I hate to say it but I do hope it happens.

 

[loveyourbody]

Fuck illegals, we don't need an, don't want em and should boot am out.

They rob, cheat, steal and rape.

please don't quote me if you don't know how to have a discussion sir.

P.S. Look up the worst criminals in US history most of them are white and legal citizens...

I love all people. Why hate anyone when I own a house, vehicles, food, and have an amazing career. I would rather spend my time helping others. I donate to St. Jude's and volunteer every year hoping that I can at least change one life for the better.

We don't need people who divide and are filled with hatered yet I put up with them at the hospital. Funny part is that when they are in their death bed they change how they see life and ask for forgiveness. In my book it is to late and hope they burn in hell.

 

[Kakarot]

Hmmm, I guess I'm more in the middle on this topic than I thought. I've worked with a lot of Hispanics some legal some not so much. 99.9% are awesome people just trying to do better for their families. Honestly if they can prove they've been here for 10yrs and held a job/jobs with no criminal record I think they should be able to get some kind of path to citizenship. I also think a wall isn't a bad idea and that we should do more to stop illegal immigration. Stop new people from coming in illegally first then figure out the rest.

Edit: My experience with illegal immigrants is limited to the south east US and agriculture. Most that I've talked to and worked with are from extreme southern Mexico or Guatemala.