The Lobster International, AU, CANADA and EU Domestic HGH, PEPTIDES and Turkish Pharmacy

[TheLobster]

You are not in the wrong here. Lobster's ego is overinflated from the cocksucking shills here and he can't take any negative feedback.

I tried reaching out to him in private about a similar issue and he completely disregarded it and acted like an arrogant piece of shit lol. It's just here on the public forum he puts on a facade and writes and acts like a professional. I decided never to buy from him again after the episode, it's that simple.

Anyways, just letting you know how it is, I don't even want to waste time in this thread

Prove it

What you ask , what i answer

It’s so easy to throw accusations from behind a keyboard. I got rid of my ego years ago

I always try to provide the best service to everyone, but occasionally, it’s impossible not to run into people like you

You are special

 

[MyNameIsJeff]

-Worst posted results EVER from this vendor,

-Significant deterioration in a very short period of time. This is exactly how oxygen damaged rHGH manifests. Greater instability compared to vacuum sealed or gas protected product.

Nearly 2% drop in purity and massive jump in dimer vs original results from just weeks before.

For those who bought numerous kits, is there some reason to believe it won't continue deteriorating at this rate? Of course not.

Now I'll let the shills go back to pretending they'd buy 95% purity UGL GH with dimer, vacuum means nothing, and love it, while they quietly get paid off in the background...

Hey Ghoul,

I obviously share your theoretical concerns about the effects of a lack of vacuum on deterioration of the GH molecule (see my earlier posts in this thread).

But how much of an impact it will have is an empirical question, and Lobster provided a number of useful data points on that. The 10IU results do seem to support accelerated deterioration, both in terms of dimer content and purity.

But the 50IU vials show no such deterioration, even though, as Lobster pointed out, the ratio of puck volume to air in greater in those vials.

What is your explanation for these divergent results? At face value, the results would suggest that lack of vacuum could accelerate deterioration, but that it will not always happen. That is, there seem to be some confounders. But what could those be?

Curious to hear your thoughts.

 

[MyNameIsJeff]

Hello

- Do the 10IU vials and 50IU vials contain the same list of excipients?
+ Yes same

- And do the vials have the same concentration of excipients (percentage of dry weight?)
+ Not same. less mannitol, less sodium dihydrogen phosphate ,less disodium hydrogen phosphate ,less glycine for 55iu vials

- How were the 50IU vials stored?
+ Only rubber+caps and strored in fridge. 2-5 degrees

Thanks for your reply. Given that the 50IU vials contain relatively lower levels of excipients, that is unlikely to be the explanatory factor here.

Another potential confounder would be the level of vacuum, or lack thereof. On that note: What was the approximate pressure differential between vial and ambient for the 10IU and 50IU vials?

Maybe one of them had a partial vacuum at least, and the other one didn't? Or they both had a partial vacuum, but one was stronger than the other?

The effects of oxygen and humidity content in the vial from a low-level vacuum could be non-linear, in which case even small differences in the pressure differential could have an outsized impact on degradation?

 

[UncleBuns]

For those interested, I have packaged 2 vials and will ship out today if I can get my sick kid off the couch to run into town. @TheLobster has offered to pay for shipping and testing so we can put this issue to rest.

Thank you @TheLobster for providing the community with the ability to sleep soundly if we encounter vials with no/low vacuum.

I honestly don't think it tested well. 95% purity and .21 dimer is not how it was advertised.

@chumpsickel I've had trouble following if you ever tested these vials. Did you test them and post the results somewhere? I looked for a thread or a posting but couldn't find anything.

 

[readalot]

@chumpsickel I've had trouble following if you ever tested these vials. Did you test them and post the results somewhere? I looked for a thread or a posting but couldn't find anything.

Below is the test result for the vial that a customer sent for analysis. The result came back as 95.594% purity, with a dimer level of 0.21. This customer placed their order on January 16, received the package on February 1, and had the product tested on March

https://janoshik.com/tests/58957-HGH_WITHOUT_VACUUM_TVI6X53XW94W
The batch was most likely manufactured in November or December

 

[TheLobster]

Thanks for your reply. Given that the 50IU vials contain relatively lower levels of excipients, that is unlikely to be the explanatory factor here.

Another potential confounder would be the level of vacuum, or lack thereof. On that note: What was the approximate pressure differential between vial and ambient for the 10IU and 50IU vials?

Maybe one of them had a partial vacuum at least, and the other one didn't? Or they both had a partial vacuum, but one was stronger than the other?

The effects of oxygen and humidity content in the vial from a low-level vacuum could be non-linear, in which case even small differences in the pressure differential could have an outsized impact on degradation?

The 50IU vials do not even have a vacuum-sealing rubber, so it’s impossible to vacuum them

They are also three times larger than normal HGH vials (GLASS BOTTLE) . I tested them twice once at the time of manufacturing and again after 6 months in the refrigerator. As you see results are same

I only produced one batch of 50IU single vials

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Any reasonable Meso member can take an HGH vial, release the vacuum, and then send both vacuum sealed and non vacuum sealed vials for testing after six months. The results will still be the same

Sampei have 35 kits of my product. If he wants to test this, I am willing to cover the testing costs again

Just set aside two vacuum sealed and two non vacuum sealed vials that will be enough

Thank you

 

[TheLobster]

-Worst posted results EVER from this vendor,

-Significant deterioration in a very short period of time. This is exactly how oxygen damaged rHGH manifests. Greater instability compared to vacuum sealed or gas protected product.

Nearly 2% drop in purity and massive jump in dimer vs original results from just weeks before.

For those who bought numerous kits, is there some reason to believe it won't continue deteriorating at this rate? Of course not.

Now I'll let the shills go back to pretending they'd buy 95% purity UGL GH with dimer, vacuum means nothing, and love it, while they quietly get paid off in the background...

I have more than 10 test results showing good purity levels, but one single test showing 95.5% suddenly makes the entire product bad?

So, seeing 10 good test results isn’t enough for you to believe in the product, but one lower result is enough for you to doubt it?

I just shared two test results that showed exactly the same results after 6 months
Even that isn’t enough for you to believe?

I truly believe that you have serious issues, and I hope that everyone on Meso stops engaging with your problematic personality

 

[BamaCrazy]

All it would've taken was "Yeah it's a problem but we've gotten a handle on it, anyone concerned contact me and we'll work it out.". The end.

Instead we've gone on for weeks with self described "harm reduction heroes" siding with the vendor, gaslighting by insisting vacuum doesn't matter any more, it somehow disappears after lyophilization but it's not replaced by air, and happens without a leak in the stopper.

Instead of protecting Lobster, they've made sure this is ground zero for discussing why vacuum does matter and shouldn't be tolerated,

Good job. He ought to thank you.

Jano will be expanding his testing capabilities to measure large aggregates, the way pharma does and the FDA requires, so this will be a great thread to keep that topic going for any newbies who wander in here and educate them on why vacuumless vials are a sign of a compromised product.

Now I have to go apologize for all the times I said I thought this was the best HGH vendor on Meso.

You don’t buy HGH from him anyway. In fact you don’t buy HGH. Nobody cares about your opinion on products you don’t buy or test. I think you must have gotten a bad infection as a child and have inflammation PTSD and see bacteria everywhere. You swoop in as soon as someone has something bad to say about a source and it always leads to degradation, aggregation, vacuum and filtering. I don’t buy from this vendor so I’m not shilling since you think that’s why anyone speaks out against your nonsense. Fuck. Give it a rest. You are doing the opposite of contributing.

 

[Sampei]

The 50IU vials do not even have a vacuum-sealing rubber, so it’s impossible to vacuum them

They are also three times larger than normal HGH vials (GLASS BOTTLE) . I tested them twice once at the time of manufacturing and again after 6 months in the refrigerator. As you see results are same

I only produced one batch of 50IU single vials

=======================

Any reasonable Meso member can take an HGH vial, release the vacuum, and then send both vacuum sealed and non vacuum sealed vials for testing after six months. The results will still be the same

Sampei have 35 kits of my product. If he wants to test this, I am willing to cover the testing costs again

Just set aside two vacuum sealed and two non vacuum sealed vials that will be enough

Thank you

If you want to do it we can, no issue for me but I suggest a better test however.

I send one vial now to test as baseline. Then I take 4 more vials and release vacuum from two of those and keep the vacuum on the two others and set the 4 of them aside.

6 months from now I'll send all to test.

Are you willing to cover for this proposal?

 

[TheLobster]

If you want to do it we can, no issue for me but I suggest a better test however.

I send one vial now to test as baseline. Then I take 4 more vials and release vacuum from two of those and keep the vacuum on the two others and set the 4 of them aside.

6 months from now I'll send all to test.

Are you willing to cover for this proposal?

I believe it’s better to keep 8 vials

4 without vacuum and 4 with vacuum, keeping all of them in the fridge, and then we can test them all at once

Can we do it this way? I think it would be better this way.

I will, of course, cover the costs for the community

Thank you

 

[Sampei]

I believe it’s better to keep 8 vials

4 without vacuum and 4 with vacuum, keeping all of them in the fridge, and then we can test them all at once

Can we do it this way? I think it would be better this way.

I will, of course, cover the costs for the community

Thank you

As you wish, will you cover the cost of the 8 vials and shipping too?

I'll take credit for my next order, no need to send me any money.

 

[TheLobster]

As you wish, will you cover the cost of the 8 vials and shipping too?

I'll take credit for my next order, no need to send me any money.

Deal

Let’s prove it to the community once again

Thanks for doing it

 

[Sampei]

Deal

Let’s prove it to the community once again

Thanks for doing it

Taking picture of the samples give me 10 minutes

 

[Sampei]

Vacuum released


Post vacuum release


Vials have been stored in my dedicated fridge for peptides only.

Temperature is stable between 2-5c.

See you in 6 months.

Btw this is REAL work towards harm reduction, facts speak a lot louder than words.

 

[TheLobster]

Add 2 more vial no vacuum and stay in room temp.

Lets test it too

So i owe you 1 kit hgh

Thanks for help my friend

Vacuum released
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Post vacuum release
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Vials have been stored in my dedicated fridge for peptides only.

Temperature is stable between 2-5c.

See you in 6 months.

Btw this is REAL work towards harm reduction, facts speak a lot louder than words.

 

[Sampei]

Add 2 more vial no vacuum and stay in room temp.

Lets test it too

So i owe you 1 kit hgh

Thanks for help my friend

Done! 2 more vials with no vacuum placed in a cupboard, average temperature 17/20c

 

[BamaCrazy]

Done! 2 more vials with no vacuum placed in a cupboard, average temperature 17/20c

Does this mean we get 6 months of silence and no nonsense on source threads??

 

[Sampei]

Does this mean we get 6 months of silence and no nonsense on source threads??

At least on this matter I hope so

 

[TheLobster]

Does this mean we get 6 months of silence and no nonsense on source threads??

I believe I have proven what I was trying to prove, but why not prove it one more time?

So, for the next 6 months no meaningless links, no fights, no love, no intrigue, no lust, no kissing

 

[BamaCrazy]

I believe I have proven what I was trying to prove, but why not prove it one more time?

So, for the next 6 months no meaningless links, no fights, no love, no intrigue, no lust, no kissing

No lust or kissing? You are asking a lot of these yahoos. Lol