Test P First Cycle, opinions and advice welcome.

[BillySwaggins]

Hey hey people,

I'm 39,175 pounds, 12% BF.

I've considered enhancement many times in my 20's / 30's but didn't want to fuck up my hormone profile for life, that and I always wanted to hit my natty peak before getting on gear. Genetically I've never been built for strength (sad little wrists), I prefer strength training but always had the body and build more for endurance and cardio. Well fuck that, I want to pack on some strength and muscle, which is why I'm getting on ye old town cycle for a ride.

I'm old enough and without major health problems so what the hell am I waiting for. Going to try out this FAT STACK of :

= Test P 100mgs EoD for 8 - 10 weeks = depending on how I feel.

Just in case I'm going to grab some Aromasin, and from what I've been reading I probably won't even need it, but better to have it on hand if I start to feel puffy nips.

PCT seems to have fallen out of favor for shorter, less intense Test only cycles, so instead of Nova/Clomid I was going to run HCG after as my only PCT- Test P is a shorter ester so I was going to start a few days after instead of the two weeks.

Test P has the advantage that if I do have an unfortunately bad reaction it will leave my system faster if I have to bail on the bike, and a shorter cycle start to finish overall, the only disadvantages I can see are the pinning, pain, and cost, all of which I can manage.

I've had a lot of bloodwork done in the past so I'm not afraid of the frequent pinning (and hormone panels always came back within average range) my diet is clean and I'm pretty low BF. TBH I'm fucking stoked, any advice or opinions would be most welcome.

I wouldn't mind some opinions on HCG as my only PCT, or if I need it at all.

Cheers

 

[Slowww]

I did Test p for a first cycle and blast and cruised with it over a year. Get ready for pain hahaha. What kind of “bad reaction” is there to 300mg testosterone.? Your body having a “bad reaction” will be regarding PIP . Get another ester ready just in case, seriously if your body doesn’t get used to the pins fast, you’re in for a bumpy ride.

 

[BillySwaggins]

I did Test p for a first cycle and blast and cruised with it over a year. Get ready for pain hahaha. What kind of “bad reaction” is there to 300mg testosterone.? Your body having a “bad reaction” will be regarding PIP . Get another ester ready just in case, seriously if your body doesn’t get used to the pins fast, you’re in for a bumpy ride.

Could have a reaction to the oil substrate I suppose, possibly other impurities from the lab. I've been living with test in my system my whole life, just not enough of it.

But thanks I'll pick up another ester too just in case I puss out lol

 

[rebornmuscles]

1 molecule to start seems nice, you have well studied the thing and know all the pros and cons nice gains

 

[Grey Spartan]

Your a brave man my brother. Most people do not want to pin that much (myself included) especially when they first start. Test P tends to give PIP, it is nothing to serious but can be alarming and painful especially your first time experiencing it.

As far as PCT, do you plan on quitting the Test cold turkey, tapering down your dose and when do you plan on using the HCG?

Enjoy the ride and gains.

 

[BillySwaggins]

Your a brave man my brother. Most people do not want to pin that much (myself included) especially when they first start. Test P tends to give PIP, it is nothing to serious but can be alarming and painful especially your first time experiencing it.

As far as PCT, do you plan on quitting the Test cold turkey, tapering down your dose and when do you plan on using the HCG?

Enjoy the ride and gains.

I wasn't going to taper, just start HCG four days after my last pin.

Hormones aren't drugs I know, but in my earlier life I went through a few substances, sometimes for years at a time, and never had too much of a problem (psychologically) coming off them.

Would it be easier to kickstart my natural test and recover if I taper to half the week before stopping ?

This kind of research is all over the place, PCT / HCG / what's best for restarting natural test in the user is all kinds of dependent on the genetics of the individual far as I can tell.

 

[Grey Spartan]

Would it be easier to kickstart my natural test and recover if I taper to half the week before stopping ?

That's what I used to do when I used to PCT. At the same time I would start the HCG at 350iu every other day until the bottle was gone. To be honest, I have also just stopped and never felt like shit, until I did that after trying 1 gram of Test in my mid 40s. That was the only time I felt like trash after a cycle.

 

[RaddishPork]

Hormones aren't drugs I know, but in my earlier life I went through a few substances, sometimes for years at a time, and never had too much of a problem (psychologically) coming off them.

I've come off before fine but just know there's a reason everyone says "you never truly come off"
Giving up weed or coke is a lot different than hopping off the juice. But if you can make solid gains and stick through the PCT you will feel fine getting off. 8-10 weeks may not be long enough to make substantial gains. You'll probably gain a solid 15lbs but 11 of that is going to be water and glycogen. That's why coming off sucks because the fullness goes away and it "looks" like you lost all the gains but they weren't actually lean muscle gains to begin with.

I second the advice of having some Test E on the side just in case. Pinning ED or EOD is no big deal for the first few weeks but after 2 months it gets kinda old.

Overall though have fun with it man. If the diet and routine are in check it makes the gym feel like heaven.

 

[mikerocky59]

I did Test p for a first cycle and blast and cruised with it over a year. Get ready for pain hahaha. What kind of “bad reaction” is there to 300mg testosterone.? Your body having a “bad reaction” will be regarding PIP . Get another ester ready just in case, seriously if your body doesn’t get used to the pins fast, you’re in for a bumpy ride.

Pour ma part, je n'ai jamais eu de problème de douleur avec la source de driada shop. J'ai des très résultats et je ne suis pas obliger d'attendre 2 semaine avant relance.

 

[ripper908]

tried test prop from 3 different labs and got horrible 3 different times

never again lol

 

[bigpoppachump2]

Other than some sore injection sites I think you’ll love it. I didn’t need an ai on prop where as anything over 250mg a week or entente or cypionate I would always have to use an ai to combat estrogen and gyno sides. I developed gyno in my right nipple when I went through puberty and it eventually shrunk to where it wasn’t noticeable until I did my first test e cycle and I fought that gyro every cycle there after until I started using prop.

Unfortunately I stayed away from short esters for years out of fear of the injection frequency. I wish I had started with short esters now because of responses so much better to short esters both physically and mentally especially prop. Prop is the golden goose for me. I love the effects, the results, the mental well being and libido and after a few cycles the pip is no worse than any other testosterone I’ve injected.

 

[BillySwaggins]

Other than some sore injection sites I think you’ll love it. I didn’t need an ai on prop where as anything over 250mg a week or entente or cypionate I would always have to use an ai to combat estrogen and gyno sides. I developed gyno in my right nipple when I went through puberty and it eventually shrunk to where it wasn’t noticeable until I did my first test e cycle and I fought that gyro every cycle there after until I started using prop.

Unfortunately I stayed away from short esters for years out of fear of the injection frequency. I wish I had started with short esters now because of responses so much better to short esters both physically and mentally especially prop. Prop is the golden goose for me. I love the effects, the results, the mental well being and libido and after a few cycles the pip is no worse than any other testosterone I’ve injected.

Thanks bruz, yeah same.Got an ai just in case, didn't need it.

Loving it, can't believe I'm 2/3'rds of the way through the cycle. Haven't felt this good physically since highschool, incredible recovery and basically no DOMs.

The pip is basically non existent to the point where I just cycle cheeks and don't bother with shoulders.

 

[twreck555]

Thanks bruz, yeah same.Got an ai just in case, didn't need it.

Loving it, can't believe I'm 2/3'rds of the way through the cycle. Haven't felt this good physically since highschool, incredible recovery and basically no DOMs.

The pip is basically non existent to the point where I just cycle cheeks and don't bother with shoulders.

Yeah I'm not sure where all this PIP is, granted I'm on a much smaller dose of prop but I get no pain at all. Mines in mct oil with a little BA and BB. Maybe it's the oils people were getting, or maybe everyone reacts differently.

Congrats on a successful cycle, sounds like you had a great time.

 

[UncleBuns]

I would use the HCG through the entire cycle. The less suppression of your testicles and the less time they are suppressed the easier it is to get them firing again. At your age and because the length of the cycle is not too long, you'll probably be fine though. Let us know how post cycle goes. Hopefully it's Cruiser.

 

[Astartes]

At your age PCT is a complete waste of time. Blast and Cruise. You are going to frustrate yourself and go in circles.

 

[BillySwaggins]

Yeah it was great !

Made gains, had a lot of life changes since then, not for the better lols and unrelated, but I learned how I react to testosterone emotionally and physically. and I'm ready to try my second cycle with a marginally increased dose of test.

honestly. at 40, I have nothing but positive things to say about my experience.

I had basically no after cycle effects at the dose I took, and with the PCT I took after, and I have to say at reasonable doses if you fall (as I do) within the range of genetically average people - both personally but also in the average range of responses to exogenous testosterone, I had a very positive experience.

I didn't blast and cruise, I gave it six months to see how I would recover once I went off, and.... surprise surprise, I quickly returned to baseline 40 year old with no negative side effects.

Thanks to everyone who gave me advice, and I hope that someone, sometime, reads my words and makes a more informed decision based on it.

Remember, I didn't take much, I took it easy, and I did the PCT despite being over cautious, and everything turned out fine - for those reasons. I'm also an appropriate age to take these risks with my body.

Much love.

 

[BillySwaggins]

Pour ma part, je n'ai jamais eu de problème de douleur avec la source de driada shop. J'ai des très résultats et je ne suis pas obliger d'attendre 2 semaine avant relance.

I am Canadian but not the coolest Canadian, which is clearly French, sorry friendo.

(I of course did translate and read your message though, and it was the same pour moi)

 

[2ndchancesNK]

Sounds like an overall good experience. I’m surprised that at 40 years old you’re not taking the blast and cruise route. Either way, pretty brave of you to take Test Prop of all things for your first run.

How much of the gains did you hold on to since coming off?

 

[BillySwaggins]

Sounds like an overall good experience. I’m surprised that at 40 years old you’re not taking the blast and cruise route. Either way, pretty brave of you to take Test Prop of all things for your first run.

How much of the gains did you hold on to since coming off?

For a while, some months, all of them ! At the dose I took, and with the work I put in after, I kept my gains and had a pretty slick, tight body for a few months.

I had some life changing events and my rack and weights have been in storage for a few months, I think I've lost most of it - I cant blame that on anything but my own choices with my time. I don't know what my max lifts are now, but it's safe to assume they aren't what they were.

Hey, everyone gets low sometimes, I've had some bad days, but I just dragged most of my stuff out of storage into stable housing the other week and I can do more pushups than I used to be able to.

I can't lie, it's pathological really, and maybe one day I'll get my shit together enough that I hit my form and keep it. I'm looking for those good days, I have been for most of my life really.

I think the key now is to not rush it, not just do a bunch of gear and hope that that will make up for living poorly for half a year.

Maintained a good diet and healthy living so I'm at a good baseline to start building up again.

Thanks for asking, maybe at some point I'll blast and cruise but I don't feel ready for that, I still want to know how I'm going to react to higher doses of test.

 

[2ndchancesNK]

For a while, some months, all of them ! At the dose I took, and with the work I put in after, I kept my gains and had a pretty slick, tight body for a few months.

I had some life changing events and my rack and weights have been in storage for a few months, I think I've lost most of it - I cant blame that on anything but my own choices with my time. I don't know what my max lifts are now, but it's safe to assume they aren't what they were.

Hey, everyone gets low sometimes, I've had some bad days, but I just dragged most of my stuff out of storage into stable housing the other week and I can do more pushups than I used to be able to.

I can't lie, it's pathological really, and maybe one day I'll get my shit together enough that I hit my form and keep it. I'm looking for those good days, I have been for most of my life really.

I think the key now is to not rush it, not just do a bunch of gear and hope that that will make up for living poorly for half a year.

Maintained a good diet and healthy living so I'm at a good baseline to start building up again.

Thanks for asking, maybe at some point I'll blast and cruise but I don't feel ready for that, I still want to know how I'm going to react to higher doses of test.

Hey man, don’t sweat it, it all comes back in time.

I’m sorry, it sounds like you are going through a lot, whatever it may be, I wish you the best of luck. Good for you making the right decisions to not just hop on some shit, but rather working on getting your life together.

I hope shit gets better for you, and trust me it will if you maintain your positive mindset. I know a hell of a lot about the lows you might be feeling — check out my intro post if you want to know more.

@RaddishPork wrote something in that intro thread that I keep on a sticky note — “there’s nothing wrong with falling down, as long as you get back up. It’s ok to make mistakes, just don’t make the same mistakes twice.”

Best of luck! Keep that chin up and make those gains, man!