Test, Deca, EQ, Mast, Primo HGH Cycle

[Nathaniel13]

Hey guys. Any advice or tweaks on cycle design would be appreciated. I’ve been enhanced for 4 years now. Started working out 5 years ago at 165lbs.

Current Stats:
-220lbs (5’11”) morning weight before food or drink
-9-10% body fat (visible abs and obliques with veins if in warm temp room)
-435lb bench (wrapped touch and go)
-645lb squat (wrapped low bar)
-175lb weighted chin up (I don’t do deadlifts)

Decent genetics to have gained 55 lean pounds in the training journey so far. Would post pics but covered in tattoos. I have what I’d consider good knowledge of anabolic usage but not excellent like many of the vets in here.

My goal is to maximize strength and mass while minimizing side effects and staying as healthy as possible. I get my blood work done twice a year (I know, should be more) and only thing that’s ever been slightly skewed is my hematocrit, liver enzymes after oral usage, and creatinine (but not dangerously)

Cycle is planned as follows:

CYCLE Wk 1-4: 500 Test, 400 Mast/Primo, 400 NPP/EQ, 5iu HGH



Saturday:

-250 test | 1ml

-200 Mast/Primo | 1ml total

-200 NPP/EQ | 1ml



Wednesday:

-250 test | 1ml

-200 Mast/Primo | 1ml total

-200 NPP/EQ | 1ml



Wk 4-12 625mg Test, 600 Mast/Primo, 400 NPP/EQ, 5iu HGH



Saturday:

-375 test | 1.5ml

-300 Mast/Primo | 1.5ml total

-200 NPP/EQ | 1ml



Wednesday:

-250 test | 1ml

-300 Mast/Primo | 1.5ml

-200 NPP/EQ | 1ml



Nutrition is as follows (I won’t include all supplements as it is an exhaustive list)


Typical Meal #1:

~0.6-0.7lbs of tilapia | 60-70g protein / 260-300 calories

~Hemp seeds | 30-40g protein / 510-670 calories

~Avocado oil | 5-6tbsp | 600 - 720

~3 dates | 60 calories

~Arugula



1560-1660 calories





Typical Meal #2:

~Vegan protein powder | 90g protein / 510 calories

~Powdered sugar | 100-120 calories

~BCAAs


700 calories



Typical Meal #3:

Same as Meal #1


1560-1660 calories


Sweetened drink / juice | 1000 calories

Total: 4800-5000 calories



Are there any tweaks I can make to the cycle?

Also, I want to add anadrol for strength gains, but not until everything has kicked in to derive max benefit, but not towards end of cycle once the body is already a bit fatigued / desensitized to compounds. When EXACTLY would you guys recommend?

 

[Photon]

liver enzymes after oral usage,

Also, I want to add anadrol for strength gains, but not until everything has kicked in to derive max benefit, but not towards end of cycle once the body is already a bit fatigued / desensitized to compounds. When EXACTLY would you guys recommend?

Looks like you're used to taking orals.
In that case just continue what you've been doing.

 

[Nathaniel13]

Looks like you're used to taking orals.
In that case just continue what you've been doing.

Thanks Photon. Is there a specific time within the cycle you’d recommend taking anadrol for it to fully synergize with all of the compounds, yet not too far towards the end when a decent amount of fatigue has built up?

Not sure how it is for others in here, but once I near the end of my cycle, it feels like my body is “tapping out” (more fatigue in the mornings, brain fog, etc)

I’m thinking maybe 4 weeks in, or 6. But would much prefer the council of those much more knowledgeable than myself

Telmisartan, cilnidipine, nebivolol, ivabradine all included btw to help manage cardiovascular sides, liver protection, etc. so i don’t think there’s anything I’m missing in regards to health support that could help with the fatigue I inevitably experience towards the tail end of the cycle, unless anyone has recommendations. TIA guys

 

[ChemBB]

Current Stats:
-220lbs (5’11”) morning weight before food or drink
-9-10% body fat (visible abs and obliques with veins if in warm temp room)
-435lb bench (wrapped touch and go)
-645lb squat (wrapped low bar)
-175lb weighted chin up (I don’t do deadlifts)

There are only a handful of people here that are as strong or as big as you, so take whatever advice you get with a grain of salt, FWIW

 

[ChemBB]

Wk 1-4: 500 Test, 400 Mast/Primo, 400 NPP/EQ, 5iu HGH
Wk 4-12 625mg Test, 600 Mast/Primo, 400 NPP/EQ, 5iu HGH

If you run Primo, you may have issues with E2 being crushed. If you stack Primo + EQ, you almost certainly will.

Personally, I'd vote for Mast + NPP, and if you really want to maximize progress, you might consider running 8-10iu GH if you can afford that much

 

[Nathaniel13]

There are only a handful of people here that are as strong or as big as you, so take whatever advice you get with a grain of salt, FWIW

Thank you man, a lot of it has to do with taking natural ergogenic supplements alongside the anabolics. Rhodiola rosea, Eleuthero, cissus quadrangularis, shilajit, to name a few without being exhaustive.

I will say I have pursued strength at the expense of overall aesthetics also. I don’t really have that “bodybuilder” build, more like a mini 220lb version of Hafthor Bjhornson when he did that cut for boxing and had abs..but still wasn’t quite shaped like a BB lol.

It’s the shoulders and quads that don’t pop for me. I feel like that makes or breaks the BB look. Maybe one day ha

 

[Maiandros88]

Hey guys. Any advice or tweaks on cycle design would be appreciated. I’ve been enhanced for 4 years now. Started working out 5 years ago at 165lbs.

Current Stats:
-220lbs (5’11”) morning weight before food or drink
-9-10% body fat (visible abs and obliques with veins if in warm temp room)
-435lb bench (wrapped touch and go)
-645lb squat (wrapped low bar)
-175lb weighted chin up (I don’t do deadlifts)

Decent genetics to have gained 55 lean pounds in the training journey so far. Would post pics but covered in tattoos. I have what I’d consider good knowledge of anabolic usage but not excellent like many of the vets in here.

My goal is to maximize strength and mass while minimizing side effects and staying as healthy as possible. I get my blood work done twice a year (I know, should be more) and only thing that’s ever been slightly skewed is my hematocrit, liver enzymes after oral usage, and creatinine (but not dangerously)

Cycle is planned as follows:

CYCLE Wk 1-4: 500 Test, 400 Mast/Primo, 400 NPP/EQ, 5iu HGH



Saturday:

-250 test | 1ml

-200 Mast/Primo | 1ml total

-200 NPP/EQ | 1ml



Wednesday:

-250 test | 1ml

-200 Mast/Primo | 1ml total

-200 NPP/EQ | 1ml



Wk 4-12 625mg Test, 600 Mast/Primo, 400 NPP/EQ, 5iu HGH



Saturday:

-375 test | 1.5ml

-300 Mast/Primo | 1.5ml total

-200 NPP/EQ | 1ml



Wednesday:

-250 test | 1ml

-300 Mast/Primo | 1.5ml

-200 NPP/EQ | 1ml



Nutrition is as follows (I won’t include all supplements as it is an exhaustive list)


Typical Meal #1:

~0.6-0.7lbs of tilapia | 60-70g protein / 260-300 calories

~Hemp seeds | 30-40g protein / 510-670 calories

~Avocado oil | 5-6tbsp | 600 - 720

~3 dates | 60 calories

~Arugula



1560-1660 calories





Typical Meal #2:

~Vegan protein powder | 90g protein / 510 calories

~Powdered sugar | 100-120 calories

~BCAAs


700 calories



Typical Meal #3:

Same as Meal #1


1560-1660 calories


Sweetened drink / juice | 1000 calories

Total: 4800-5000 calories



Are there any tweaks I can make to the cycle?

Also, I want to add anadrol for strength gains, but not until everything has kicked in to derive max benefit, but not towards end of cycle once the body is already a bit fatigued / desensitized to compounds. When EXACTLY would you guys recommend?

Cycle looks good to me, I like the NPP/EQ combo always, but it’s up to you what works better … masteron and primo I was always putting those on cutting phase

 

[Nathaniel13]

If you run Primo, you may have issues with E2 being crushed. If you stack Primo + EQ, you almost certainly will.

Personally, I'd vote for Mast + NPP, and if you really want to maximize progress, you might consider running 8-10iu GH if you can afford that much

Ah, I didn’t think about that. My e2 definitely gets high on cycle, maybe I’ll be okay? Weird in that my e2 gets high (seems to be a predisposition for me) but lucky to not be prone to gyno

Only prone to water retention and feeling like a little bitch if e2 gets high lol. I will definitely consider the 8iu of HGH. As you say, might as well get the most bang for the buck

 

[Nathaniel13]

Cycle looks good to me, I like the NPP/EQ combo always, but it’s up to you what works better … masteron and primo I was always putting those on cutting phase

Thank you sir, first time trying NPP/EQ combo, what are your personal experience with it?

I opted for mast and primo as I’m one of those lads prone to high e2 on cycle (fortunately it doesn’t cause gyno or any other irreversible side effects for me, just annoying water retention)

 

[Maiandros88]

Thank you sir, first time trying NPP/EQ combo, what are your personal experience with it?

I opted for mast and primo as I’m one of those lads prone to high e2 on cycle (fortunately it doesn’t cause gyno or any other irreversible side effects for me, just annoying water retention)

With that combo for me back in the day and now at any guy I have trained was working amazing, also not e2 problems and with supps you can avoid prolactin issues also

 

[Nathaniel13]

With that combo for me back in the day and now at any guy I have trained was working amazing, also not e2 problems and with supps you can avoid prolactin issues also

Very nice,

Is it caber for prolactin? Do you think you can avoid prolactin issues by keeping NPP at low dosage, or is entirely individual specific?

 

[Maiandros88]

Very nice,

Is it caber for prolactin? Do you think you can avoid prolactin issues by keeping NPP at low dosage, or is entirely individual specific?

You can add p5p vitamin end problems solved at 100-150mg per day

 

[Nathaniel13]

You can add p5p vitamin end problems solved at 100-150mg per day

Wow, this was the exact sort of wisdom I was hoping for. Thanks for the tip regarding the P5P. Few second google search confirmed it’s indeed legitimate… Much appreciated =)

 

[Maiandros88]

Wow, this was the exact sort of wisdom I was hoping for. Thanks for the tip regarding the P5P. Few second google search confirmed it’s indeed legitimate… Much appreciated =)

No problem buddy, good luck with your new cycle and play it smart

 

[Scruf]

I don’t understand what you mean by NPP/EQ combo. Do you mean 100mg NPP 100mgEQ?

I think it all looks good. I would definitely pin, with insulin syringe, every day. Keeps your levels super even. As well the insulin pins don’t scar too much.

I would put all the compounds you plan to take for the week in one bottle then draw into seven pins.
The first four weeks will be easy 6ccs total. Weeks 4-12 you will need to slightly overfill each pin, as you will have 7.5 ccs.

Get labs done after 6 weeks. If you tank your estrogen add more test. If you have high estrogen increase the EQ. Watch the hematocrit, if it’s too high maybe add some Telmisartan or give blood. Have metformin on hand and watch your BG. All of these compounds affect insulin sensitivity.

Good luck.

 

[Nathaniel13]

I don’t understand what you mean by NPP/EQ combo. Do you mean 100mg NPP 100mgEQ?

I think it all looks good. I would definitely pin, with insulin syringe, every day. Keeps your levels super even. As well the insulin pins don’t scar too much.

I would put all the compounds you plan to take for the week in one bottle then draw into seven pins.
The first four weeks will be easy 6ccs total. Weeks 4-12 you will need to slightly overfill each pin, as you will have 7.5 ccs.

Get labs done after 6 weeks. If you tank your estrogen add more test. If you have high estrogen increase the EQ. Watch the hematocrit, if it’s too high maybe add some Telmisartan or give blood. Have metformin on hand and watch your BG. All of these compounds affect insulin sensitivity.

Good luck.

Oh man, I’m a little bitch when it comes to pinning.

The consolidating the compounds into a single vial is genius btw. I have a big 50ml vial that’s almost empty and will definitely do that in near future

Now I can definitely get on board with something similar to the metformin strategy, right now I am taking Cyanidin 3 Glucoside (from nootropics depot), Berberine, cinnamon, and black ginger. As I am not a rich fellow, I think I’ll substantially up the cinnamon intake as it’s the most economical

BP stack includes telmisartan, along with nebivolol, cilnidipine, and aged garlic extract because I am prone to high BP

And yes should have clarified, 100mg of EQ and 100mg NPP

 

[Scruf]

Sounds like a plan. Also evening cardio and morning fasted cardio can help with BG management. 20 mins LiSS. In fact I always do a little cardio during my growth phases.

Anadrol is good towards the end. Maybe last 8 weeks.
Tren would be a nice addition for both power and size, but it has its tradeoffs.
Anavar is not too far behind anaDrol for strength. It is probably 60-80% as strong.

Be careful with Drol, it can push your tendons really hard. Often the muscle can become stronger than the connective tissue and tendons on Drol. Tendons adapt a lot slower.

Good luck.

 

[Nathaniel13]

Weight has already jumped up to 226 morning weight from 220 in the first week. I have to admit, I am already feeling a bit of fatigue / lethargy. I did PR on bench press this week with 365 for 10 touch and go reps (one paused at the end), so maybe that has a little to do with it. Deload week begins next week and I will update on whether the fatigue has diminished or intensified

 

[Nathaniel13]

Sounds like a plan. Also evening cardio and morning fasted cardio can help with BG management. 20 mins LiSS. In fact I always do a little cardio during my growth phases.

Anadrol is good towards the end. Maybe last 8 weeks.
Tren would be a nice addition for both power and size, but it has its tradeoffs.
Anavar is not too far behind anaDrol for strength. It is probably 60-80% as strong.

Be careful with Drol, it can push your tendons really hard. Often the muscle can become stronger than the connective tissue and tendons on Drol. Tendons adapt a lot slower.

Good luck.

I like the idea of anavar, as one feels so much better on it than anadrol. I love strength/power but I also love feeling good. You raise a good point sir

Edit: and happy thanksgiving to you and everyone else at meso

 

[Gonz0]

Love the blood pressure stack, I’m also prone to high blood pressure, basically isolated systolic hypertension while on cycle and use the exact same stack. I’ll also be running test/deca/primo this winter. 20 weeks, adrol for the first 4 weeks and injectable sdrol for the last 4 weeks. I use injectable glutathione any time I use harsh orals and I’ve never had an issue with appetite/heartburn or feeling toxic, definitely worth having on hand