Test boosting

[john11]

Been reading books on how to boost testosterone by dietary means.

Apparently eggs and milk are good as testosterone production requires zinc, cholesterol and protein, which eggs are high in. Also calcium and vitamin d are needed and milk is high in that.
The old time bodybuilders loved eggs and milk, although it has kind of faded from practise with all these new whey proteins out there. Personally, I always prefer natural products, rather than getting nutrition from out of cans and packets.

Minerals such as boron, magnesium are good and you can get these from most nuts

Certain vegetables such as brocolli, cabbage, kale contain indosine which helps test production.

Olive oil and butter are good. Been reading about making butter coffee which is coffee with a knob of butter mixed into it. Caffeine is supposed to assist test production, also butter provides good fats.

After reading all of these books i am trying to find out if this actually makes enough of an effect to assist bodybuilding gains. Do have an opinion, have you tried anything like this and have thoughts to share.

 

[grey]

After reading all of these books i am trying to find out if this actually makes enough of an effect to assist bodybuilding gains.

Assist? Sure.

Replicate to any degree the effect of super physiological levels of hormones in an elite level BB? Uhhh... no. Not even a little.

Consider that eggs and milk are staples of pretty much every serious bodybuilder who is willing/able to consume them and so are supplements containing highly available quantities of the minerals. So saying that they "assist" becomes a bit like saying that breathing a mixture of Nitrogen/Oxygen "assists" with BB. Since essentially 100% of the field is using them even at a natty level as a staple food an mineral source it is simply the base line.

Doing without them certainly makes competing at a high level essentially impossible (see also Vegan Gains) though.

Nothing wrong with buttered coffee either. But as a test booster? No... That is just marketing blather.

Natural test "boosts" do happen (after heavy squatting for example) but produce relatively small and short duration elevations of hormone well within the average natural ranges.

 

[FiEnD]

Assist? Sure.

Replicate to any degree the effect of super physiological levels of hormones in an elite level BB? Uhhh... no. Not even a little.

Consider that eggs and milk are staples of pretty much every serious bodybuilder who is willing/able to consume them and so are supplements containing highly available quantities of the minerals. So saying that they "assist" becomes a bit like saying that breathing a mixture of Nitrogen/Oxygen "assists" with BB. Since essentially 100% of the field is using them even at a natty level as a staple food an mineral source it is simply the base line.

Doing without them certainly makes competing at a high level essentially impossible (see also Vegan Gains) though.

Nothing wrong with buttered coffee either. But as a test booster? No... That is just marketing blather.

Natural test "boosts" do happen (after heavy squatting for example) but produce relatively small and short duration elevations of hormone well within the average natural ranges.

Holy crap dude how the hell are ya

 

[john11]

Hi! Thanks.
I am not trying to compare dietary manipulation against anabolic steroids, that would be foolish of me. Steroids are far superior in every way.
Just trying to understand how much of a difference it can make.
How anal should i go.
Sure everyone does it, but i keep hearing that gains are 90% food and 10% training. To my untrained eye it should make a big difference.
What do you think.

 

[grey]

Holy crap dude how the hell are ya

Still kicking man... Just had a bit of time away from the board to focus on work...

It is good to see most of the familiar names posting... I even see @brutus79 posting again.

Just trying to understand how much of a difference it can make.
How anal should i go.

I think how anal you need to be depends on what level you are already at... Since the overall gains curve for BB is asymptotic (like most human performance curves are) if you are close to the top of the curve being highly anal about every aspect of training including diet is utterly essential to climbing the remaining curve at anything other than a snail's pace...

On the other hand, if you aren't at the high levels of competition for your discipline, being ultra anal about these things is frankly unlikely to make much of a difference over simply being mildly attentive to macros etc...

In PL the analogy would be that taking your DL from 800 to 825 is going to take a whole shitload of factors being nearly perfectly aligned because most athletes at that level are very high on the asymptotic curve... But taking your DL from 300 to 400? Just eat burgers, lift, and it will fly right up there faster than grass through a goose. No need to fiddle with the margins there.

So, like I tell people in entirely unrelated classes, it depends. The students hate that, but it is true of most things.

 

[Havah]

Hi! Thanks.
I am not trying to compare dietary manipulation against anabolic steroids, that would be foolish of me. Steroids are far superior in every way.
Just trying to understand how much of a difference it can make.
How anal should i go.
Sure everyone does it, but i keep hearing that gains are 90% food and 10% training. To my untrained eye it should make a big difference.
What do you think.

I think the lack of evidence for increasing already normal levels of T with about any supplement speaks for itself

 

[john11]

Yes, my test levels are probably on the low side. I mentioned magnesium and boron as test boosters but have been told that these simply seperate test from sbgh and increase overall free test levels, but the body recognises the higher test levels and lowers test production, back down to a normal level, or what it considers to be normal, so this way with magnesium and boron is only a temporary measure.

Can the body be fooled into boosting test, is there any thing to eat or supplement to take which is particularly effective. What should i do?

 

[LeoTC]

If you're deficient there's nothing to do but supplement with testosterone. If you're not deficient and want higher levels there's nothing to do but...supplement testosterone.

Dieting down and working out on a regular basis will help support natural levels. But if you're in decline it is what it is. Have bloods done and get on TRT.

Absolutely nothing on the market is actually going to do anything other than lighten your wallet.

 

[grey]

Echoing @LeoTC excellent post, don't guess that you are low, get bloodwork and find out.

If you are low, find a doc and get treated. Don't fuck around with trying to fix it with specialized onion smoothies or whatever.