T4 while on gh

[Sampei]

Gyno surgery wouldn't elevate your liver values!

Oh yeah? Because breaking of muscles and tissue doesn't elevate liver enzyme right? That's why if you train hard the day before and you go to draw blood you have liver value increased right?

So yes! Surgery could have increased my liver values especially AST value, my GGT is perfect at the lowest level it could be. Hard to say it's liver damage.

 

[Alphalfa]

TSH 0.94
FT3 3,64
FT4 1,64

I don't think I'm gonna continue on the T4 tho... I mean I don't really feel like its that worth and I was getting lean before without it. If I can avoid using one more medication I probably think is better. I'll just eat less ahah

If you are still taking HGH and planning to continue, those values are literally perfect.

 

[MONSTRO1977]

TSH 0.94
FT3 3,64
FT4 1,64

I don't think I'm gonna continue on the T4 tho... I mean I don't really feel like its that worth and I was getting lean before without it. If I can avoid using one more medication I probably think is better. I'll just eat less ahah

The less stuff we use the better for health for sure , and be natural is even better

 

[Jet Labs]

Oh yeah? Because breaking of muscles and tissue doesn't elevate liver enzyme right? That's why if you train hard the day before and you go to draw blood you have liver value increased right?

So yes! Surgery could have increased my liver values especially AST value, my GGT is perfect at the lowest level it could be. Hard to say it's liver damage.

If it did elevate your liver enzymes it wouldn't last very long!

 

[Sampei]

If you are still taking HGH and planning to continue, those values are literally perfect.

But those value are with T4, I'll draw bloods again in 2-3 weeks again to see how it is. I have stopped taking T4 since two days ago.

 

[Alphalfa]

But those value are with T4, I'll draw bloods again in 2-3 weeks again to see how it is. I have stopped taking T4 since two days ago.

I know, just saying that all the values, with those 100 mcg T4 per day, match a perfect thyroid state. Both FT3 and FT4 on the top range and TSH around 1 which is literally perfect.

Please share the results without any exogenous T4 once you have them to compare.

I would give at least 4 weeks, recommended 6 weeks, to retest the thyroid values, even more when you are fully stopping the exogenous T4 and not just reducing dosage.

 

[Sampei]

I know, just saying that all the values, with those 100 mcg T4 per day, match a perfect thyroid state. Both FT3 and FT4 on the top range and TSH around 1 which is literally perfect.

Please share the results without any exogenous T4 once you have them to compare.

I would give at least 4 weeks, recommended 6 weeks, to retest the thyroid values, even more when you are fully stopping the exogenous T4 and not just reducing dosage.

I don't think anyone has a TSH of 1 without supplementing of medication, best I had was 1,8-1,6 TSH.
Usually below 2 is good, if you are not supplementing anything. It takes sometime for the thyroid to shut down so maybe if I kept taking the T4 the TSH would have decrease even more with time. Dunno.

I'll report back when I draw blood again

 

[lifter6973]

Great thread. Thanks all for the comments.

 

[freakyjacked29]

T4 will help a lot having a perfectly running metabolism t3/t4 combo along with anabolics gh insulin plenty protein carbs calories you’ll grow the best protein turnover breakdown enhanced quicker recovery (gains)

 

[Jet Labs]

T4 will help a lot having a perfectly running metabolism t3/t4 combo along with anabolics gh insulin plenty protein carbs calories you’ll grow the best protein turnover breakdown enhanced quicker recovery (gains)

Why t3/t4 combo? Why not just supplement with t4 and let your body convert it to t3? What's the added benefit of taking t3 with t4?

 

[freakyjacked29]

Why t3/t4 combo? Why not just supplement with t4 and let your body convert it to t3? What's the added benefit of taking t3 with t4?

t3 will increase protein breakdown and turnover protein synthesis a faster rate of recovery as long is protein is high

faster metabolism
improved insulin sensitivity
shown to improve cholesterol
help reduce prolactin sides
T4 wiill stop the lethargic sides of t3 combined both is best to keep tsh levels normal

key point don’t overuse t3 in high doses and eat enough protein for the benefits it has and enough overall calories for the increased metabolism and prevention of strength loss

 

[Jet Labs]

t3 will increase protein breakdown and turnover protein synthesis a faster rate of recovery as long is protein is high

faster metabolism
improved insulin sensitivity
shown to improve cholesterol
help reduce prolactin sides
T4 wiill stop the lethargic sides of t3 combined both is best to keep tsh levels normal

key point don’t overuse t3 in high doses and eat enough protein for the benefits it has and enough overall calories for the increased metabolism and prevention of strength loss

So 100mcg t4 with 25mcg t3 sound about right?

 

[freakyjacked29]

So 100mcg t4 with 25mcg t3 sound about right?

Yeah that’s perfect

 

[Sampei]

t3 will increase protein breakdown and turnover protein synthesis a faster rate of recovery as long is protein is high

faster metabolism
improved insulin sensitivity
shown to improve cholesterol
help reduce prolactin sides
T4 wiill stop the lethargic sides of t3 combined both is best to keep tsh levels normal

key point don’t overuse t3 in high doses and eat enough protein for the benefits it has and enough overall calories for the increased metabolism and prevention of strength loss

Your post doesn't make any sense. If I have enough conversion rate of T4 to T3 there is no added benefit of adding a combo of T4/T3 compared to adding just T4. Especially during a HGH cycle where the conversion is increased by it.

The only result it will be that you will drive yourself toward hyperthyroidism and that's not good.

Plus by the Antony Roberts study, adding T3 while on HGH could be detrimental, instead adding T4 and letting the HGH do the aggressive conversion is highly beneficial.


So I call your suggestion a bunch of horseshit

 

[freakyjacked29]

Your post doesn't make any sense. If I have enough conversion rate of T4 to T3 there is no added benefit of adding a combo of T4/T3 compared to adding just T4. Especially during a HGH cycle where the conversion is increased by it.

The only result it will be that you will drive yourself toward hyperthyroidism and that's not good.

Plus by the Antony Roberts study, adding T3 while on HGH could be detrimental, instead adding T4 and letting the HGH do the aggressive conversion is highly beneficial.


So I call your suggestion a bunch of horseshit

Calm down buddy what’s with the aggression do you need to follow it ?

hgh does increase t3 output but tren etc also impacts thyroid increased prolactin I’m dry as a bone on 2g test tren etc etc and much more no gyno growing by the week. Is t3 helping in this maybe but I won’t even say more on my stack all leave it here

do what you like nobody is telling you what to do all just do what’s working and saying what I’m doing Anthony roberts or Bill roberts ? trial and error and find what works

 

[Jet Labs]

Your post doesn't make any sense. If I have enough conversion rate of T4 to T3 there is no added benefit of adding a combo of T4/T3 compared to adding just T4. Especially during a HGH cycle where the conversion is increased by it.

The only result it will be that you will drive yourself toward hyperthyroidism and that's not good.

Plus by the Antony Roberts study, adding T3 while on HGH could be detrimental, instead adding T4 and letting the HGH do the aggressive conversion is highly beneficial.


So I call your suggestion a bunch of horseshit

So just t4 then when running hgh eh?

 

[MONSTRO1977]

If you are on cutting the combination of t3 + t4 wile using hgh is great but if the person as a super quick metabolism can be to much. On offseason dont make sense because is so hard to eat all calories you need to grow and using this combo you will have to eat more .