Storage conditions and dimer

[Ghoul]

Yes, as I wrote, I'm from the EU.. So, does 0.9% saline solution protect against bacteria for a longer period of time?

Saline does nothing to stop the growth of bacteria.

@Sampei knows where to get the supplies you need to make your own Bacteriostatic water in the EU, and the best technique. It's cheap and straightforward.

 

[Eddie.]

Without a bacteriostatic component, it's not safe to use for more than 24 hours after reconstitution. Jano's found a fairly high percentage of peptides failed sterility tests, not unexpected, and that bacteria feeds on protein. It's like you're reconstituting powdered eggs. You could add Benzyl Alcohol in the correct proportion. I assume you're in the EU and can't source BAC water?

So, 24 hours is considered to be ok? I've left with a few hospira bac bottles that going to end soon and the only EU site provided them is now closed..

If sterile water for injection is ok up to 24h, that means i could use half vial HGH a day (as i'm currently using) with sterile water. Right?

 

[Ghoul]

I hear it for the first time... that doesn't sound good

TLDR: The presence of NaCL (salt), destabilizes HGH.

 

[hellogre2]

Control what you can, what's done is done. If you're keeping it, the sooner you get it in the refrigerator, the less degradation it'll experience. It would take extensive testing of that specific batch to know how fast it degenerates, but we know whatever it is, it's *less* in cold temps.

Also, reconstitute to 3ml. When HGH is damaged, and it starts to aggregate, experiments show the greater the concentration, the worse the aggregation is because, simply put, the molecules are crowded and bump into each other more, increasing the chance of sticking to each other.

Here's an illustration of how damaged (oxidized in this case) HGH forms more and larger aggregates with increased concentration:

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For now, it's 1 ml. Last week, I ordered enough pharma gade raw materials to make my own BAC for the next 10 decades. Living in Europe, having premade pharma grade is a nightmare.

 

[Bobik]

For now, it's 1 ml. Last week, I ordered enough pharma gade raw materials to make my own BAC for the next 10 decades. Living in Europe, having premade pharma grade is a nightmare.

Where did you order? Thanks

 

[AlexDavis43]

Control what you can, what's done is done. If you're keeping it, the sooner you get it in the refrigerator, the less degradation it'll experience. It would take extensive testing of that specific batch to know how fast it degenerates, but we know whatever it is, it's *less* in cold temps.

Also, reconstitute to 3ml. When HGH is damaged, and it starts to aggregate, experiments show the greater the concentration, the worse the aggregation is because, simply put, the molecules are crowded and bump into each other more, increasing the chance of sticking to each other.

Here's an illustration of how damaged (oxidized in this case) HGH forms more and larger aggregates with increased concentration:

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citrate buffer pH 3

Jano,

I came across a study of HGH degradation in which, after some severe stress (low PH and 37c temps) of two samples, purity tested at 98% and 96%. I suspect they were surprised by this, and realized when comparing the larger peak area of the initial unstressed sample, that the insoluble and poorly soluble aggregates HGH is known to produce weren't eluting from the the column.

After compensating for this, purity was actually 68% and 81%,

Is this something you think should be applied to future stress testing? I could be mistaken, but I thought I saw results in which peptides had the same (or similar) purity before and after stressing, but the mass dropped, which sounds similar to what the researchers encountered here.

As far as I know the fact insoluble aggregates don't elute doesn't seem to be a factor considered by any of the labs in the UGL space.

Thanks in advance.

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storage at 37 degrees C (99 degrees F)

TLDR: The presence of NaCL (salt), destabilizes HGH.

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pH and temperature. What?

This is what is meant by cherry picking and misinterpreting studies.

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[Ghoul]

citrate buffer pH 3



storage at 37 degrees C (99 degrees F)



pH and temperature. What?

This is what is meant by cherry picking and misinterpreting studies.

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The primary result of destabilized rHGH is the creation of insoluble aggregates. Whether that's from agitation, oxidation, heat, UV, or acidic conditions.

Above .22um they're filtered prior to analysis.

Below .22um they get stuck in the chromatography column.

Testing purity without adjusting results for the loss of mass to those aggregates results in an inaccurate calculation of rHGH purity, and therefore fails to accurately measure degradation. Whether that's 0.5% or 30%.

Is there something you don't understand about that? Jano does.

 

[janoshik]

I believe the sterile water the Human Growth Hormone preparations are (or used to be, as most pharma is switching to pens) to be dissolved in is the best option for EU users, as it's readily available. I also do believe it ought to last longer than a single day, as those preparation were seldom single use if my memory serves me right.

I might have a couple spare minutes to check our turbidity measurements today with:

1) pure water
2) regular high purity dissolved GH
3) dissolved GH that failed our sterility testing and endotoxin hard
4) low purity GH

 

[Nidus]

I believe the sterile water the Human Growth Hormone preparations are (or used to be, as most pharma is switching to pens) to be dissolved in is the best option for EU users, as it's readily available. I also do believe it ought to last longer than a single day, as those preparation were seldom single use if my memory serves me right.

I might have a couple spare minutes to check our turbidity measurements today with:

1) pure water
2) regular high purity dissolved GH
3) dissolved GH that failed our sterility testing and endotoxin hard
4) low purity GH

This would be awesome and provide clarity! Thank you Jano!

 

[Bobik]

I believe the sterile water the Human Growth Hormone preparations are (or used to be, as most pharma is switching to pens) to be dissolved in is the best option for EU users, as it's readily available. I also do believe it ought to last longer than a single day, as those preparation were seldom single use if my memory serves me right.

I might have a couple spare minutes to check our turbidity measurements today with:

1) pure water
2) regular high purity dissolved GH
3) dissolved GH that failed our sterility testing and endotoxin hard
4) low purity GH

Great. Thanks bro

 

[hellogre2]

I believe the sterile water the Human Growth Hormone preparations are (or used to be, as most pharma is switching to pens) to be dissolved in is the best option for EU users, as it's readily available. I also do believe it ought to last longer than a single day, as those preparation were seldom single use if my memory serves me right.

I might have a couple spare minutes to check our turbidity measurements today with:

1) pure water
2) regular high purity dissolved GH
3) dissolved GH that failed our sterility testing and endotoxin hard
4) low purity GH

That might help lot of europeans GH users, where your only options are garbage UGL bac water, going through US-EU custom (and taking the risk of the package being seized) while paying 50-80$ shipping fees or invest in raw materials and do your own...

 

[janoshik]

Well, might add turbidimetry to pricelist for like 30 USD.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I believe the sterile water the Human Growth Hormone preparations are (or used to be, as most pharma is switching to pens) to be dissolved in is the best option for EU users, as it's readily available. I also do believe it ought to last longer than a single day, as those preparation were seldom single use if my memory serves me right.

I might have a couple spare minutes to check our turbidity measurements today with:

1) pure water
2) regular high purity dissolved GH
3) dissolved GH that failed our sterility testing and endotoxin hard
4) low purity GH

"as most pharma is switching to pens"

what makes you say this? I recall the introduction of NGENLA but nothing else to support "most pharma is switching to pens"

 

[dinfar1337]

Saline does nothing to stop the growth of bacteria.

@Sampei knows where to get the supplies you need to make your own Bacteriostatic water in the EU, and the best technique. It's cheap and straightforward.

@Sampei dont mind dming me this, i dont have a wife but i can show my tits for it

 

[Sampei]

@Sampei dont mind dming me this, i dont have a wife but i can show my tits for it

Buy sterile water for injection pyrogen free from the pharmacy, buy Benzyl Alcohol Ph.eur/BP/USP.

Filter the BA with a PTFE .22 syringe filter.
Inject into the sterile water the filtered BA in the correct proportion. Enjoy BAC water.

For me it's 2.5 euro max for 100ml of BAC water when all is said and done.

 

[CubanQuentin]

Buy sterile water for injection pyrogen free from the pharmacy, buy Benzyl Alcohol Ph.eur/BP/USP.

Filter the BA with a PTFE .22 syringe filter.
Inject into the sterile water the filtered BA in the correct proportion. Enjoy BAC water.

For me it's 2.5 euro max for 100ml of BAC water when all is said and done.

wat do if I live in a Hitlerite paradise where even sterile water from a pharmacy is subject to prescription?

 

[Sampei]

wat do if I live in a Hitlerite paradise where even sterile water from a pharmacy is subject to prescription?

Get a prescription from the doc?

 

[CubanQuentin]

Get a prescription from the doc?

There goes at least 3 months out of my life waiting for an appointment, just for the doc to probably tell me "uhhhh no silly why do you want that?"
Will try that anyways since the alternative is trusting the BAC water from chinese gear sellers, thanks

 

[Sampei]

There goes at least 3 months out of my life waiting for an appointment, just for the doc to probably tell me "uhhhh no silly why do you want that?"
Will try that anyways since the alternative is trusting the BAC water from chinese gear sellers, thanks

Just tells him you need it for ask chatgpt how to justify it.

Worse case scenario try to find non pyrogenic water non sterile and you make it sterile filtering it.

Worse worse case scenario distilled water. Are you in the EU?

 

[CubanQuentin]

Just tells him you need it for ask chatgpt how to justify it.

Worse case scenario try to find non pyrogenic water non sterile and you make it sterile filtering it.

Worse worse case scenario distilled water. Are you in the EU?

I tried the "pretty please" method with ketoconazole shampoo it failed. Because yes, even ketoconazole shampoo is too dangerous to let people buy it, apparently

Yeah EU (in Spain)

What's hilarious is that after enough digging there is in fact BAC water on Amazon. So I guess that's not banned but sterile water for injections is?