Steroid types and categories

[TSud]

As most of us on here know, not all steroids are created equally, and while in essence they basically all do the same thing, the way each category of steroids work and the pathways they work on are different. I believe the common bro-science of stacking different steroids is to start with a testosterone base and then add either a DHT or a 19-nor to it, instead of just taking multiple steroids from the same category, so iv listed below the different categories of steroids (test, DHT, 19-nor) as well as some of the most common steroids from each category. Hopefully this thread may help someone make a more informed decision when it comes to deciding which steroids to add in there next cycle.
Im interested in you guys feed back on my break down of the different categories of steroids and if there is any that I got wrong or should add so that I can make changes as needed to my list. Thanks

-TESTOSTERONE DERIVATIVES:
Testosterone (all esters), D-bol, Boldonone (EQ), Trenobol, Halo, Methyl-testosterone, Oral Turinanol, Sten, Sustanon

-5 ALPHA REDUCTATES DHT
Primobolin, Masteron, Stanzolol (Whinstrol), Anavar, Anadrol, Superdrol, Proviron, Androstanolone,

-19 NOR TESTOSTERONE
NPP, Deca, Trenbolon, Trestolone (ment), M-Tren (oral tren), Cheque drops, Melevar,

 

[All Nats McGee]

One of mesos favorite cycles is to combine all three of the category’s. The famous test, deca and mast cycle.

 

[PeterBond]

Will start my halo, superdrol, cheque drops stack tomorrow.

 

[Test_Subject]

Will start my halo, superdrol, cheque drops stack tomorrow.

I’ll pray for your liver, Peter.

 

[TSud]

Will start my halo, superdrol, cheque drops stack tomorrow.

Hey Peter, im curious, in your opinion, on paper, how do you think that stack would work? You would have your testosterone base for aromatization, so the other 2 shouldn’t totally crash your estrogen. Please nobody think that im either recommending or suggesting someone take all 3 at once, just curious what kind of results someone could reasonably expect on something like that.

 

[Isosceles Gangster]

Hey Peter, im curious, in your opinion, on paper, how do you think that stack would work? You would have your testosterone base for aromatization, so the other 2 shouldn’t totally crash your estrogen. Please nobody think that im either recommending or suggesting someone take all 3 at once, just curious what kind of results someone could reasonably expect on something like that.

it would most likely kill you very fast after shutting you down.

 

[MFAAS]

Here are some notes I had on this subject from a long time ago when I first started learning about steroids. Not sure if they are all totally correct or not, but maybe it'll help.

Tests
- List: EQ, Dbol, Halo, TBol
- Effects: Athletic column
- Binding proteins lowered somewhat
- Very broad spectrum
- Varying conversions to e2 or DHTs
- Glycogen retention increases

DHTs
- List: Primo, mast, proviron, anavar, adrol, winstrol, sdrol, DHB
- Effects: Protein and neurological column
- Lower binding protein
- Less energy systems being affected.
- Less water retention.
- Basically no estrogen production (Mast even helps control e2)
- Very high protein-specific expression
- Effect on catecholamines, norepinephrine, muscle & brain tissue
- Can help gut hormones, can increase insulin sensitivity

19-nors
- List: nandrolone, tren, trestolone (aka MENT)
- Effects: Volume/mass column
- Water, carbohydrate, glycogen retention
- Not much e2 conversation
- Potential other issues though such as prolactin and more
- No binding protein effect, maybe even elevate them

 

[cmK9s33]

Hey Peter, im curious, in your opinion, on paper, how do you think that stack would work? You would have your testosterone base for aromatization, so the other 2 shouldn’t totally crash your estrogen. Please nobody think that im either recommending or suggesting someone take all 3 at once, just curious what kind of results someone could reasonably expect on something like that.

I'm not Peter but Halo doesn't aromatize so it doesn't serve that capacity. Cheque drops...I have no idea. And from what I've rad, I pray for the soul that uses that for more than a few days straight.

 

[Regular Joe]

Here are some notes I had on this subject from a long time ago when I first started learning about steroids. Not sure if they are all totally correct or not, but maybe it'll help.

Tests
- List: EQ, Dbol, Halo, TBol
- Effects: Athletic column
- Binding proteins lowered somewhat
- Very broad spectrum
- Varying conversions to e2 or DHTs
- Glycogen retention increases

DHTs
- List: Primo, mast, proviron, anavar, adrol, winstrol, sdrol, DHB
- Effects: Protein and neurological column
- Lower binding protein
- Less energy systems being affected.
- Less water retention.
- Basically no estrogen production (Mast even helps control e2)
- Very high protein-specific expression
- Effect on catecholamines, norepinephrine, muscle & brain tissue
- Can help gut hormones, can increase insulin sensitivity

19-nors
- List: nandrolone, tren, trestolone (aka MENT)
- Effects: Volume/mass column
- Water, carbohydrate, glycogen retention
- Not much e2 conversation
- Potential other issues though such as prolactin and more
- No binding protein effect, maybe even elevate them

I'm not the most knowledgeable person on here but from what I know about two listed they don't fit the category they're in very well. EQ is considered by most to lower estrogen almost like mast. Anadrol will definitely cause bloat and while I've seen it argued both ways about weather it aromatizes or just causes estrogen to stay circulating longer it can definitely cause estrogen symptoms like gyno

 

[MFAAS]

I'm not the most knowledgeable person on here but from what I know about two listed they don't fit the category they're in very well. EQ is considered by most to lower estrogen almost like mast. Anadrol will definitely cause bloat and while I've seen it argued both ways about weather it aromatizes or just causes estrogen to stay circulating longer it can definitely cause estrogen symptoms like gyno

Yeah I mean they aren't all RULES, there's exceptions, but the effecrs are just general sort of guidelines of what you can expect. There will always be outliers. EQ fits fine if you read it again, but I see how anadrol conflicts with less water retention. Idk, people can do whatever they want with it.

 

[cmK9s33]

I'm not the most knowledgeable person on here but from what I know about two listed they don't fit the category they're in very well. EQ is considered by most to lower estrogen almost like mast. Anadrol will definitely cause bloat and while I've seen it argued both ways about weather it aromatizes or just causes estrogen to stay circulating longer it can definitely cause estrogen symptoms like gyno

I’m pretty sure those drugs are classified as such because of structure and not necessarily effects. But effects are pretty similar through the groups.

Anadrol is 5 alpha reduced like DHT but it most certainly has effects more akin to 19-nors.

Boldenone only differs from testosterone with the 1-2 double bond and it is dianabol without the c17-aa.

 

[MFAAS]

I’m pretty sure those drugs are classified as such because of structure and not necessarily effects. But effects are pretty similar through the groups.

Anadrol is 5 alpha reduced like DHT but it most certainly has effects more akin to 19-nors.

Boldenone only differs from testosterone with the 1-2 double bond and it is dianabol without the c17-aa.

Exactly, it's not saying that those effects are 100% going to be exact for each of the substances in that category. They are classified as a certain type because of structure.

That is why EQ is considered a Testosterone derivative whereas DHB is a DHT derivative. For the most part, though, it is fairly accurate, although different substances have wildly varying effects in each regard for various molecular pathways and such.

 

[TSud]

I’m pretty sure those drugs are classified as such because of structure and not necessarily effects. But effects are pretty similar through the groups.

Anadrol is 5 alpha reduced like DHT but it most certainly has effects more akin to 19-nors.

Boldenone only differs from testosterone with the 1-2 double bond and it is dianabol without the c17-aa.

Exactly, I broke them down based on chemical class. A steroid grouping similar to what @MFAAS did, based on common side effects and physical effects, would be pretty cool though. And probably pretty handy to newer guys that are just learning about this stuff.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

Hey Peter, im curious, in your opinion, on paper, how do you think that stack would work? You would have your testosterone base for aromatization, so the other 2 shouldn’t totally crash your estrogen. Please nobody think that im either recommending or suggesting someone take all 3 at once, just curious what kind of results someone could reasonably expect on something like that.

You wouldnt be able to anything with that because your health would decline too quickly before anything substantial would happen although that could be said running just one of those alone

 

[Type-IIx]

For Peter Bond and among scientists the view is that there are three broad structural classifications of AAS: I. C-17 esterification, II. 19-Nortestosterone, and III. C-17 alkylation. Androgens are further subdivided by certain boring structural properties into classes like the 17beta-hydroxyl androgens (like tren) and somewhat interestingly I believe boldenone metabolizes into a 17beta androgen principally. Then you have some weirdness with stanozolol and...

I think for aesthetic/functional classifications the aromatizing/5alpha-reduced properties make sense, just not trying to arbitrarily draw a line for the "DHT derivatives," which is kind of bad broscience IMO.

Speaking of boldenone, I hope the good Dr. Bond puts more about it into his next book. There's at least one guru going around calling it kidney poison.

 

[PeterBond]

Oh well, pick your classification;
17a-alkylated or not
being able to convert to estrogen (but hey, to wat extent?)
being able to convert into a more potent androgen by 5a-reductase (testosterone)
being able to convert into a less potent androgen by 5a-reductase (nandrolone)
not (significantly) affected by 5a-reductase (pretty much all the rest)
broken down in skeletal muscle by 3a-reduction (but hey, to wat extent?)
being able to bind to and function as an agonist for the GR/MR/PR/ER (but hey, to wat extent?)
being able to bind to and function as an antagonist for the GR/MR/PR/ER (but hey, to wat extent?)

I find it impractical to put a single label on an AAS.

 

[MrBombastic]

…Speaking of boldenone, I hope the good Dr. Bond puts more about it into his next book. There's at least one guru going around calling it kidney poison.

@PeterBond - I would really like to know your take on this. I have been scared away from Boldenone by Victor Black’s emphatic claims that boldenone is kidney poison. I hope it’s not, because I liked it.

 

[Regular Joe]

@PeterBond - I would really like to know your take on this. I have been scared away from Boldenone by Victor Black’s emphatic claims that boldenone is kidney poison. I hope it’s not, because I liked it.

I've known two people people that would run it at a gram a week for 16 weeks and I've read stories on the internet of way crazier doses so to call it poison has to be a bit of an overreaction. Since I've read more about it on here I'm more curious about using it at a need be dose as an AI

 

[PeterBond]

@PeterBond - I would really like to know your take on this. I have been scared away from Boldenone by Victor Black’s emphatic claims that boldenone is kidney poison. I hope it’s not, because I liked it.

What evidence is provided for this claim?

 

[MrBombastic]

What evidence is provided for this claim?

Here’s one study:

https://victorblackmasterclass.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Human-Use-Kidney-Comparitor-Study.pdf

If possible, I would be very interested in your opinion on this.