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As always, a very thorough and thoughtful post! But, I think you’re off on the suggestion of an $800 MOQ. Speaking for myself (but I imagine others might agree), I’m not dropping $800 on a typical purchase. I’m a low volume user who doesn’t resell any of my purchases. How people can place these massive orders across multiple vendors and not be reselling is beyond me. But, I genuinely don’t think that size of an order represents the average buyer, and I suspect sp5der would lose a lot of customers over a change like that. Of course, it’s his business and he can do as he pleases.
Understandable, and I'm not arguing with you. Your point is extremely valid so I'll detract and edit while I still can but 500.00 does seen reasonable and it's open to change depending on order volume (suppression), as what he is dealing with is children flooding Meso with their monthly allowance from digging through the couch.
 
As always, a very thorough and thoughtful post! But, I think you’re off on the suggestion of an $800 MOQ. Speaking for myself (but I imagine others might agree), I’m not dropping $800 on a typical purchase. I’m a low volume user who doesn’t resell any of my purchases. How people can place these massive orders across multiple vendors and not be reselling is beyond me. But, I genuinely don’t think that size of an order represents the average buyer, and I suspect sp5der would lose a lot of customers over a change like that. Of course, it’s his business and he can do as he pleases.

$500 to $800 dollar minimum?
Apology gents, edited for clarity of reasoning.
 
ballistic is trying to price us out so he can have it all! jk

MOQ def seems necessary but considering the currently limited selection, too steep an MOQ might lead to less flow in general.

now there will always be the hoarders like me (and ballistic apparently) but it seems like people arent buying years of compounds in advance

personally $350-400 seems very high, but something like $200 would be totally doable on the regular.
 
@sp5der
(FULL REVIEW)

CUSTOMER SERVICE
Sp5der and I communicated early on in his thread, prior to anything being available, with a clear understanding that long time delays would more than likely occur. That expectation was set upfront.
I placed a larger sum order, correct me if I'm wrong Sp5der but we were well close to 50 vials. Throughout the entire process, Sp5der communicated with me.

Being the person I am, I told him to hold off shipping anything until he was fully G2G and everything was in order. I did not rush him. I did not pressure him. I let time take place.
Without bothering the man, he eventually reached back out when everything was ready.

Upon receiving my order, one item was overlooked. Rather than act like a brat child, I inquired how we could both remedy and meet in the middle, as the item I ordered was out of stock. Sp5der went above and beyond in resolving that. We came to an agreement, and he surprised me with far more than expected as a remedy.

That is customer service rooted in accountability, not obligation.

ETIQUETTE
At no point have I ever been disrespectful to the man. Even when delays occurred, even when one label moved and the other only showed “created” for several weeks, I did not bombard him with “WTF” messages.
Instead, I simply asked, and I quote:
“Hey bro, no movement in this just so you're aware and can look into it.”
That’s it.

A few days later, I received a response explaining it hadn’t shipped yet due to being tied up with an abundant amount of orders.
No drama. No hostility. Just communication.

DEMEANOR
Sp5der’s demeanor remained steady throughout the process. He openly posted in his thread about his circumstances, taking personal time, the holidays, and the fact that he is a god damn human being. That is more than acceptable. Even under volume and delay pressure, he responded calmly and professionally.

Kindness is not weakness. Patience is an uncommon virtue. I feel many of you complaining are mistaking his kindness for weakness, and that is not going to work out in your favor.

CHARACTER
This is where it matters.
When he resolved the oversight in my order, he did more than required. He did not have to do what he did. Now here’s where some of you won’t understand my position. Even though I came out ahead in that resolution, that is not my character. I emailed him thanking him sincerely and acknowledging he did not have to do that.

I have already sworn to the man that during my next order, extra BTC will be dropped to square things between us.

Some of you may think that’s stupid or “retarded” since technically I benefited, but that’s not how I operate. I don’t allow imbalance in business relationships.
To this day, I believe Sp5der understands both our business relationship and my personal character. Mutual respect exists between us.

BUSINESS
You are operating solo. Many of the individuals complaining have zero inclination into the logistics of processing orders:
Preparing
Verifying counts
Packaging one by one
Securing packaging above reproach
Offloading packs safely, securely, and discreetly in methods not disclosed but fully understood

That is real work. You are providing a top notch product at a more than reasonable margin. I sincerely hope you do not adjust your pricing upward. I am a lifelong customer without question, and when you are ready to modify your list and go full swing again, I am ready to place a large order again without hesitation.

Constructive recommendation only, and yes, it is your business to operate at your leisure and desire:
It is time for a firm MOQ. You need this my man. $500.00 minimum subject to change for slowing volume momentarily.
This will rule out the problems.

Some will refute this stating, “I don’t like to spend this much without first verifying.” I refute that with, read the thread, excuse the 0.1 percent complaints, and move forward confidently.

Another thought when you do sales, kits like the TCyp for instance, make the minimum two kits. This is a man’s world. If it’s affordable, you can certainly afford not to be burdened by what follows from small scattered orders. If you can't afford, then evaluate your finances thoroughly.

TIMEFRAME
Yes, delays occurred.
They were discussed early and clearly understood. Sp5der described them in detail, and while failing to read the thread they were overlooked by those complaining.

At one point in my case as mentioned, I noticed labels created. One moved. One did not. I gave it several weeks before even mentioning it. When I did, it was calmly.
A few days later I received clarification. A few days after that, another update and apology for the delay. No ghosting. No disappearance. Just workload and human circumstances. Timeframe matched reality, not entitlement.

FINAL TAKE
Between us, a strong mutual respect exists. I plan to further that business relationship by remaining humble and accepting that while statements are made, circumstances can change.

My recommendation to those complaining: relax. Sp5der will take care of you. He will be far more inclined to expedite that process when mutual respect is shown.
Patience is rare.
Professionalism is rarer.
Mutual respect is everything.

@MESO-Rx Administrator
Out of courtesy can we evaluate the red banner for further legitimacy. I think the thread in it's entirety speaks volumes.
My man wow. I appreciate that, really. I’ll respond more with more time available
 
I’d probably do 200 or so min. Cause even obviously I’m behind people still ordering like 5-10 orders a day and that’s about the average order cost. When not behind way way more orders come. But usually it’s 1-2 vials orders spamming messages to me. But again for competent customers I could make exceptions
 
Understandable, and I'm not arguing with you. Your point is extremely valid so I'll detract and edit while I still can but 500.00 does seen reasonable and it's open to change depending on order volume (suppression), as what he is dealing with is children flooding Meso with their monthly allowance from digging through the couch.
I think you’re onto something regarding certain clientele, and agree, if possible, they should be avoided like the plague. Blacklisting people isn’t unreasonable in my opinion and I think sp5der may have even eluded to it. But us low volume buyers who are also low maintenance need a place to buy too.
 
Look I’m not the big head honcho or like vet or anything like that. I think the no minimum sets Sp5der apart. It’s his business, but I personally like it, cause for the stronger stuff I can just get a couple vials of that.

I think maybe having like an explicit priority thing, like hey if you’re gonna get a small order, you’re lower on the priority list. I’d personally be cool with having to wait longer for just grabbing a couple things. I’m not like a super newer guy in a hurry though, at this point I’ve become a hoarder like other members and want Sp5der gear in my collection.

Either way opening up shop and getting slammed with a shit ton of orders soon after is pretty crazy.
 
ballistic is trying to price us out so he can have it all! jk

MOQ def seems necessary but considering the currently limited selection, too steep an MOQ might lead to less flow in general.

now there will always be the hoarders like me (and ballistic apparently) but it seems like people arent buying years of compounds in advance

personally $350-400 seems very high, but something like $200 would be totally doable on the regular.
I’d absolutely be in on a group buy with you, killa. You already know I’d never leave you out.;)

That said, my logic here is just based on what we’re all seeing lately. The influx of “Meso children” has been wild. I keep coming across threads where guys are losing their minds over a $000.00 order not shipping within 48 hours.

The truth is, that level of impatience and disrespect is exactly why good vendors end up going private. When volume spikes and the disrespect increases, it stops being sustainable. (Reasonable)

In my opinion, a $400–$500 MOQ during high traffic or chaotic periods is completely reasonable. It filters out the impulse buyers and the constant complainers. During slower times, when inventory is stable and things are routine, drop back to $200 makes sense.

But when demand ramps up and people start acting entitled, tightening it up protects Sp5der from frivolous allegations.

I’m not trying to step on toes or tell anyone how to run their business, that’s not my place. Just offering perspective. Way back in the early pages, it was already mentioned that certain measures might need to be taken to ensure long term stability.

At the end of the day, I’d just hate to see Sp5der get burned out and shut it down. Solid vendors disappearing because of unnecessary drama would be the real loss.

Not disrespecting sp5ders thread but look at another thread where the vendor took an extended break from being overwhelmed. People lost their minds in that thread. (Not everyone) But many.
 
In my opinion, a $400–$500 MOQ during high traffic or chaotic periods is completely reasonable. It filters out the impulse buyers and the constant complainers. During slower times, when inventory is stable and things are routine, drop back to $200 makes sense.
the dynamic MOQ makes so much sense. and then sp5der being who he is established clientele only need to drop a line for their normal $200 order and then everyone is happy.

alr you sold me. but i do have a question, how do you gauge when those "high traffic or chaotic" periods are? im assuming january with all the new years resolutions, and maybe feb with CNY. or is it like vibes-based looking at trends in the forum at large?
 
the dynamic MOQ makes so much sense. and then sp5der being who he is established clientele only need to drop a line for their normal $200 order and then everyone is happy.

alr you sold me. but i do have a question, how do you gauge when those "high traffic or chaotic" periods are? im assuming january with all the new years resolutions, and maybe feb with CNY. or is it like vibes-based looking at trends in the forum at large?
The more messages on this thread the more orders

People especially like the music / story / off topic stuff it makes them order more
 
I think you’re onto something regarding certain clientele, and agree, if possible, they should be avoided like the plague. Blacklisting people isn’t unreasonable in my opinion and I think sp5der may have even eluded to it. But us low volume buyers who are also low maintenance need a place to buy too.
Yeah, and I definitely don’t want this to come off like I’m singling out solid dudes like you. That’s not my intention at all.

If anything, I think Sp5der is fully aware of who the constructive, level headed contributors are. The guys who add value, stay patient, and actually help keep things moving in a positive direction don’t go unnoticed.

I'm directed at the blatant disrespect not the core members. The difference between the two is obvious to anyone paying attention.

I missed the blacklist part you mention but that's a solid alternative. Obviously an email change can occur, but they're nature will remain.
 
I’d probably do 200 or so min. Cause even obviously I’m behind people still ordering like 5-10 orders a day and that’s about the average order cost. When not behind way way more orders come. But usually it’s 1-2 vials orders spamming messages to me. But again for competent customers I could make exceptions
$200 is too close to being feasible for children. At least 250 would eat up their whole paycheck plus some.

As a woman who generally has no use for large orders, that hasn’t ever deterred me from a hitting a MOQ for a preferred vendor. My husband and I are small business owners, and a $500 min cut out a significant amount of bs and drama.
 
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